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[Imp]

Good afternoon.

Y'all are gonna kill me regardless so I'm just gonna ignore y'all and solve for a while so you'll have a legacy to go off of.

Let's see what you do and how you do it.  The day's young yet, you're E-2 I think (E-3 if the Oliverz red 'mafia' text is read as a vote change).

Seriously, what harm does it do to see how 4maskwolf and any others play for the rest of the day?  Personally I'm not bored and I find more information useful.

I also consider it possible folks will maybe see fit to change their votes, I'm not sure who is our D3 elim, there's loads of time if we use it.

[Crystalizedmire]

Imp: I initially thought that my actions failed becuase I thought it was somehow tied to th dissapearance of the day. Only now I know that it was because Wolfkey bussed us.
Oliverz: Since when was I claiming false actioms or knew Magma Mater's role? This seems like you are talking about someone else that isnt me or you are fabricating evodence against me.

[4maskwolf]

Let's start with Oliverz since in my limited time to reread yesterday Oliverz posts were inflicting too much psychic damage and taking too long to parse to be worth reading. Also I'm voting there for mech reasons so might as well see if the play lines up.

Spoiler: Oliverz D1 posts (click to show/hide)

Imp the fruit You mentioned is a so called Fruit vendor role (Encyclopedia Link: wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Fruit_Vendor)
A fruit vendor is a role that can target a player each night and gift them a fruit (or similiar, ergo an more or less useless item that fits the flavour of the game) anonymously .
With Mafia kills usually being not multi-task able, this leads to the fruit vendor showing themself as town to the people it gifts the items to as soon as those discussion/revelation happens in the public thread or certain private group chats

Fallacy i find Your fascination about fear is ... fascinating

Juicebox, my playstyle is crazy, like really really crazy, but since im merely a wellcommed guest in your community, i am trying to adapt and honor Your rituals and grooves

Trig, i like Your judicial look on Magmas Fancy Play Role Fish. What is Your verdict?

Also, i live in Central Europe, it appears as day starting and ending times are around 2AM for me =)

Comments will be bolded to make them stand out from the various quotes I'm putting in.

As is typical for an intro post this is a bit of a nothingburger. A bit of mech, a bit of faffery.

Fallacy, the fascinating part about your connection to fear is the way it animates you ... and so on, cause from a philosophical/psychological standpoint the value and necessity of fear is up to discussion. Does it animate, or does it freeze. Is it awakening Your Fight, Your Flight, or something else entirely?
And also, yeah im planning on choosing my vote on the person i believe is most likely to be a member of an anti-town faction. Preferably something like wolf/scum/mafia, but in the heat of the battle a 3p will manage aswell
Also, i hope the craziness will allow to think outside the box and achieve unexpected success =)

Hey Magma, surely I will post more =) Also, why did You see enough content from "VermillionSkies"? While i agree that the others were quite talky (which is good in all relations), i can not see that in regards to the slot mentioned. Enlighten me o.o (also i write these posts while i am reading up, your tr on Vermillion raised quite some activity there O.O )

While i can't gauge the rightness of the Webaddict impression of Fallacy by Max, it certainly is funny xD Haha
Regarding Max's hinted action: I am in favor of it for multiple reasons:
- If we play good we win a lot from it - so far i see town in a very solvy and talkative environment, so we will surely profit a LOT from it
- Max's probably wants do use his role sometime earlirr or later atleast once (even tho i suspect it is a one time action). If (if!) we mess that up, we will have more time recovering from it in the upcoming phases. However if it happens later down the river of time, perhaps we will lose or not manage to catch ourself.
- I trust Elephant Parade to be a person who will make a good and nice and funny role - additionaly, a role that is fair and nice to play with for everyone -> so i doubt it will be something too catastrophical or mind blowing =)
Lets risk it! a nuke sign for a spoiler button, wow... i cant find a hand emoticon :/
σ~* Bomb it!

Oh and Imp, what did you mean with

Observations:
[...]
Olivers - exists, weird, 1 post of 'involvement'
[...]

While yes, i exist and yes, i before this have 1 post, ... i am weird? Weird? the only guy from the "oddly players" List who is also "weird" ?? 

Also, how are the day/night phases here? Somewhere i read 12/12, but thats probably the players alive 
Dont want to accidentally break the silence of the night some day ( or rather some night :p ) (Addition: I found a votecount, d1 ends tuesday 7pm est, quite some time we got)
Also also, as mentioned before, when you seem the most active i sleep  as to why i only posted once so far
Also also also , what is a "pod" person
Also also also also, i think the additions of also's seems kinda ... strange. Picked it up on some place, decided to try it out... its kinda weird ngl
Also (5): somebody posted a yt video of a person in an anjme called "L" being a Liar/Monster - Man that edit went hard ngl |-O
Also (6) If Magmas secret scumread is what i think it is, i like it =)

P.S.: If you have any questions feel free to ask me Also no also's xD

This is the post that caused psychic damage. I flinched away from... whatever that bizarre nonsequitor of a first line and decided there was no worth in trying to read whatever was contained within on a tight schedule. Not =) everything =) needs =) an =) emote =).

Setting aside my own personal dislike of the formatting though, let's talk about the actual contents of the text. Or well, I won't much, because straight up this is a lot of nothing. Even the stuff that's nominally in response to the game state is kind of nothing. The two things of probative value in this post are the question to Imp of "why am I the only one on that list who's weird" (of limited but non-zero value) and "if Magma's secret scumread is what I think it is I like it." This will come up again later.

Oh he also asks Magma to explain the Vermillion read that's fine too.

HeyMagma , i really appreciate the challenge and presumably the honor for being invited to do it. I will try my best!
Also Thank You for the Vermillion explanation - i like the depth in your reads!

Imp I plan on finding scum by
a) reading all the posts ( a no brainer)
if something pings me or stands out i will pressure that, otherwise i will try to analyse intentions, wagonomics, interactions, posts, all the usuak stuff, i am no magician nor soul reader :/
meta is not a criteria for my reads, as i dont really have one, due to meta being built over a multitude of games in short time frames =)
Yeah i will post more=)
also the main posting phase is at around the sod/eod time here, so i don't usually have many things to say during my European day :/ I will try my best tho!!

Edit:
Imp has already solved it in a long post wall O.O i really like the way work and thought there, i would have done it the same !!

Also im posting from my phone aswell

Another nothingburger. A lot of complimenting other players, a lot of saying the most mafia 101 stuff about wolf hunting.

Guys im currently reading the Max vote from Fallacy, and it feels like moving off focus of Magma, especially due to the strange reasoning... Just a thought, im gonna read the walls later.

Oh hey, he actually takes a stand for something. Magma maybe a wolf based on threadstate read isn't a great D1 pick but it's not terrible either.

Magma have you gotten a role/PM so far? Please answer honestly.
I liked your "secret scumread" thing because i think it was a) a good fish cause it could have made
b) quite possibly

Accidentally hit post, im on phone on vacation, sorry.
A) it was a good fish - could or maybe even did impact the posting of the 7 people who wrote before your "realisation".
b) prods many people to force reads out
Edit: forgot abt completing this, also forgot what i wanted to say :/ Magmat probably shouldn't be the lynch today

Putting these two posts together because they're basically the same post remastered, we get the explanation for why he liked Magma's secret scumread game. Fair enough.

Magma
You still havent answered.
Do you have a Mod role PM?

Last post of the day, still focused on Magma's role

If I'd had the mental capacity and time to read all these posts during my D1 reread I would have happily thrown this in with Wolfkey and AP in the "nothing going on, can burn" category. There's some mech, some mafia 101, some flattery towards other players, but not much actual solving going on.

What does catch my eye is how much of the little solving there is is focused on Magma. If it weren't for the mech today I'd lean towards w/w but Magma used a hostile role action on Oliverz so I'm going to shelve that thought and move on to D3.

Spoiler: Oliverz D3 (click to show/hide)

I ate every single one of the nightkills, and Imp is town. I have reason to suspect that Oliver and AP are as well, due to the effects of Imp’s role.

I confirm that Imp is town. I also confirm that Vermillion and possibly AP are highly likely town

Mechanical claim: Imp is town. Fair enough way to start the day, if a bit overzealous for someone who seems to be claiming a cop type role.

I also got the notification that Magma wanted to extort abilities from me like an evil repossesser. [colour=red] Magma [/colour]

MagmaMater

That's weird, because I targeted you N1, and saw you visit Oliverz

I targeted magma mater n1 and Oliverz n2.
I chose to steal abilities on both nights and both nights my abilities remained unchanged.
Oliverz: how many abilities do you have?

i was notified that Magma presented me with the so called "ultimatum" on n2, apparently it is you??
I will not entertain Your rolefish, i will also call you and Magma out as scummy! Something stinks here clearly, apart from the fact that ability stealing is a scummy role in and on itself

MAGMA: DID YOU EXTORT ABILITIES FROM ME TO GIVE YOU N2??
Say Yes or No!!!

also CM, i am STILL not answering your rolefish. You are incredibly scummy right now, especially after the juice box claim.

Oliver is livid about the extort ability, which is pretty funny to me.

-In response to Imp megapost-
i have mechanical confirmation that You are Town

You already said this

Imp everyone. Proving their stuff.

Crystal that sounds like my ability you copied..
.

That was my starting ability...

That's weird, because I targeted you N1, and saw you visit Oliverz

I targeted magma mater n1 and Oliverz n2.
I chose to steal abilities on both nights and both nights my abilities remained unchanged.
Oliverz: how many abilities do you have?

Crystalizedmire, why did you choose these targets?

You were frustrating to talk to and Oliverz was quieter than usual day1

usual? i dont have a usual, xD
also, Juice found You lying, while you keep blatantly rolefishing...

Nothing to comment on, really

-Responding to another Imp megapost stop fullquoting megaposts if you only care about one part-
Imp, i did not share any information about my ability(ies), I also did not give up and cede any ability(ies) of mine.
here is the part of my notification i got at end of night 1

heavily paraphrased

MM presented you with an ultimative decision! a)
get a non-Innate ability of your choice mugged and give it to them, or
b) loose ALL of your non-Innate abilities the next time someone chooses to crumble and allow stealing and extortion from him.
 PM me your choice by the end of the ~~Day~~ night. no matter what you choose, your decission will be processed at the end of the ~~Day~~Night.

We have the description of how the role MM used works, albeit with incredibly salty ad-on text. I agree with magma that this is (outside of maybe N1) actually a pretty good town ability because it can confirm the existence of claimed abilities.

-Responding to an imp and magma post chain-
saw this about me and noticed talking about oliver (me) (aka Oscar xD)
i was on retreat in a monastery, now im driving back on the train and have more than enough time to read and answer everybody =)

Nothing to say

As I think you're Town and don't really trust Tric, I'll give you an ability if you visit me this Night.

Might not be a good ability, but it'll have some utility.

vanillaizing me?

Given that you later claim you forgot to submit actions last night I'm a little baffled why you're so salty towards other people at this outcome, it sounds like you brought it on yourself by facing the wrath of RNGesus.

[size=20]anybody allowing himself to be oppressed and surrendering an ability to magma mater is claiming scum to me. [/size]

anybody allowing himself to be oppressed and surrendering an ability to magma mater is claiming scum to me. 

This is dumb but like. NAI dumb. Tricmagic hats dumb. Honestly I'd even give this slight town points because the myopic obsession on your own role and abilities over the benefit of the town collectively is ironically quinessentially town. At least here.

Again, please do not quote the entirety of large posts. You can make the quote, then remove whatever you don't want to quote before you finish your post.

That said.

i have mechanical confirmation that You are Town

Would you care to share what form this confirmation takes? I already thought Imp was town, going by her behavior, but this is good to hear.

i got an iron green check (barring any redirects)
also im on my phone, deleting from quotes is kinda hard for me :/ sorry

Iron green check is not exactly the most useful or valuable way of describing it.

4maskwolf
still reading up

Fair enough given context of Imp's claim

-Response to another Imp megapost, thankfully spoiled but I had to remove it because spoilers in spoilers don't work-
for the n1 and n2 mech i think that pretty much means that imp wasnt kill tried n1 and n2, cause then the person killing would be in the "counted" by imp, ajd only people with successful actions are counted... ans obviously no kill was successful on Imp =)
Given the fact that verm claimed to have eaten a (the?) kill twice on him or Imp probably means that verm was a kill twice...
being twice targeted with a kill means smbdy tried n1, and then tried again n2 although it didnt succeed n1...
Why would that be?
Because somebody got VERY afraid of Vermillion d1.
When im done reading up, i will look into who was scumread/pushed by Vermillion d1
=)

This is such a deeply weird take on the situation. The wolves shoot Vermillion because they're scared, then when that kill doesn't work they shoot again? Feels like ass-covering.

Oh, that long post also wanted me to claim... Imp is reall afraid of the post cap xD
n1 i targeted Imp, got a very cool result, which allowed me to evolve =)
Sadly i forgot to act on n2. Even my Mater Response was randomized Thank God the right answer was taken =)

If this evolve mechanic plays out like the fucking hats all over again I'm going to riot.

If I understand the mech correctly exactly one of Vermillion or Oliverz is a wolf.

According to my understanding Imp's ability revealed to three people that they had all targeted Imp N1. One claimed a fruit vendor ability that was confirmed by Imp, one claimed bulletproof bodyguard who knows when they get hit, and one vagueposted an investigative claim.

So it's Oliverz or Vermillion who's a wolf, and it all comes down to whether your trust the claim of bulletproof aware bodyguard.

If Oliverz is a wolf AP is never paired with him off that as well I'm pretty sure. You don't fruit vend the NK target.

Presumably, the mafia performing the kill wouldn't be seen targeting Imp because they would be redirected to Vermilion. At least, that's how I'd rule it as a game moderator. That said, there is enough evidence against Oliverz to consider lynching him regardless of mech.

@Imp If my target is killed or lynched before the following night, my ability has no effect. So if we were to lynch Max here, my ability use would be effectively cancelled.
As for your most recent question, I can only take an ability if they decide to give one to me. Otherwise, they just disappear into the void.

4maskwolf
I'd be pretty comfortable ending the day now. I don't think there's anything else to discuss. And if Max isn't lying then we're skipping night three anyway.

evidence outside of mech?
what are you even talking about??

Guys i just wrote a long ass readslist on like 60/70% and I accidentally hit the back button on my phone... I feel u trick

Magma, i did pick the right Target =) You don't know everything and i dont plan on telling you =)

Nothing much to say here

ok here we go again, I'm writing this in the notepad app on my phone, wow all manual formating :/ with edged brackets, atleast the text field is bigger

TM (aka TrikMagic, i noticed you asked about this abbreviation and werent answered), I hope for the best for You to fix Your technical difficulties.
Before i had here written that it works somewhat on my phone, it doesnt =)


im gonna write this from scuminess to towniness to mess with all the thread skimmers hahaha

[color="red scum

Edit: I just realized i can forward on the page and got my post back !! Woohoo
Gonna paste it into my clipboard after here and continue writing it =)


TM (thats You, TrigMagic! I remember You once asked who that was xD), i hope you fix your technical issues =)
Its somewhat possible on a phone (for me atleast) as long as you dont try formating

Anyways, here is my readslist  woohoo ( i wanna put in effort ( i want to become better ))) from scumy to towny to screw with the thread skimmers ( i spent 6+ hours reading everything, my heads cooked)


Mafia (haha i voted the right thing xD)
4mask
- red check. Strange Claim that has had quite some inconsistencies pointed out. Weird reads, pushiness and tunneling

MagmaMater
- Strange and exclusively evil role. Targets that were targeted in the night do NOT really add up with the reads claimed d1 (!!!). Agressive Attitude, Omgus.

CrystallizedMire
- caught claiming false Actions/Roles TWICE!! in a row today. Unclear role (similarity to MM was once claimed!). Knew MMs role before it went public.

scumlean
FoU
- The obsession with Max has been weird, as well as the try to scum paint every one around it... No successful actions claimed :/

Null/not enough info
Wolfkey
- doesnt have the best look saying that the problem is not time, but rather the lack of topics. Wolfkey, please post a readslist just like i do here right now.




Townlean
Vermillon
- Very strong TR, only i wish he would be more active everywhere... thats my only problem for real...

JuiceBox
- very nice usage of the tracker, in alignment with the Reads of d1!


Town
Imp
- Its confirmed i targeted Imp n1, and the result is an ultimate greencheck
Oskar
- no explanation needed, it's quite obvious fmpov

Im happy to vote in the two scummier segments, preferably the red group.

i honestly forgot what i wanted to say about
max
tm
ap

i think im gonna go do some duolingo, new arena started. We got over 24hours left, remember 4mask is at L3

Anyways, who wants to chat about the moon?

This readslist is nonsense. Not in the sense of, like, the reads themselves don't make sense, though the read on me hints at a weird amount of thought for someone who I think to this point hasn't talked about me more than like twice. No, it's the "forget what to say" category. Early in the day he declared both of the other Imp-targeting people town, but AP is in the "I forgot" category. Calls out Fallacy for his weird tunnel but has no thoughts on... the target of that tunnel who has also been intermittently voting/suspecting Fallacy? And yet fucking Wolfkey makes the list?

This isn't someone who's been reading the thread, this is someone who is making up stuff on the fly and forgot his previous claimed reads because he doesn't have to be consistent.

Additional note: claims to read thread, doesn't change reads in the slightest outside of adding FoU to scum leans which is like, the laziest read change in the world given that Juice, I, and probably Max all pointed out FoU's myopic obsession was reaching scummy levels.

Dear Magma, im happy you interacted with my post, although you didn't show any interest for my perspective, Which is quite saddening yet not unforeseeable.

Dear Max, thank You for the clarification

Please, somebody, explain to me how to Iso on this site.
Also, how am i on the theme of post caps? I feel like i post a medium amount of content, which however is by far not as compressed and tightly packed into posts as Imp does it...

You ISO slowly and painfully, like I'm doing now. Our site isn't really designed around mafia play like the dedicated sites are. webadict was tinkering with a modbot a while back that would have allowed to easier ISOing (among other things) but I'm not sure what happened with it.

Yeah this dies. If there's one thing you take away from my posting once I flip it's kill this with fire. Most of my thoughts on why are right at the end of the spoiler, in response to oliverz readslist. I was actually leaning towards vaguely townie null until I saw that abomination of a post. The only other thing I have to add is how much time Oliverz spends on pure mechanics discussion even today, there's almost no solving going on anywhere.


Unrelated to the actual content of the post, I accidentally hit the back button partway through D3 and almost had a heart attack, thankfully when I hit the forward button it dropped me back where I was. Which after reading the rest of Oliverz D3 is actually even funnier because it happened to him and Tric, but I'm the only one who lucked out. This is why MU has an autosave feature.


Every couple years I make the mistake of trying to do a full detailed ISO read on someone and learn from my mistakes, even here on a lower posting player it's horrible pain and suffering. I might read a couple other players tonight but don't expect this level of detail I literally don't have the time or energy for it.

[4maskwolf]

OH yeah I forgot to say if Oliverz flips wolf flip CM, I'm like 95% sure that readslist is a rule of 3 and it's definitely not Magma.

The last one is probably in TM/FoU/max. Personally I'd go Fallacy first at this point in time.

[FallacyofUrist]

Oliverz... calls out... Wolfkey?

This might change everything.

[FallacyofUrist]

But when I do the math, I wind up with four scum, so no, it's probably still just Spin, Tric, and juice.

But, admittedly, I do need to investigate the hypothetical world where Spin is just radically incompetent instead of being actual scum, just to see if my blind spots are hiding anything.

Not that I expect Spin not to be scum, he's incredibly scummy, not that anyone other than Magma cares, but maybe I'm wrong about who his partners are.

[Imp]

Re lost posts, I often use notepad and copy/paste into the forum when I'm ready/done.

Or I copy my post every few minutes and keep working on it so I can just paste in and keep going if I lose it somehow (power flickers are evil, that requires a saved copy)
I'll sleep soon and work after.  I'll be around about 2.5 hours to planned EoD.

We plan to go straight to D4, I think, but maybe that doesn't happen; maybe someone has a day power to make stuff happen EoD or whatever, so a skipped night won't matter.

I would like to catch up on the day's posts and post updated reads/observations/things I want people to consider if I die before we end day, just in case unexpected fireworks happen and I don't get to talk more.

That said, if people who can think it's best to rush EoD, any and all survivors will handle it as seems useful.

Hey, 4mask, those you're sure are not evil, or seem sure of, like Magma.  If you're interested/willing, explaining why you see whichever folks as towny or as null is valuable to my thinking too.  It's also useful in general for evaluating how you think, so if someone is interested in considering and moving their vote, it can't hurt you.

I appreciate your reads, and I appreciate them regardless of if you flip or not.

This wording, by the way:

Good afternoon.

Y'all are gonna kill me regardless so I'm just gonna ignore y'all and solve for a while so you'll have a legacy to go off of.

I'm not trying to stop your solving at all.  But the wording you use, it's almost like you're saying you're solving and making a legacy because you're about to die, and like you wouldn't if you were more sure you were gonna live.

You also mention the isoing (of at least Oliverz, but you make it sound like most isoing of anyone) as being painful.  I wonder what about mafia brings you joy, and how you like to play and scumhunt.

Thanks for your help.

Oliverz... calls out... Wolfkey?

This might change everything.

Fal, why make a post like this?  What's your thoughts and why does one have to ask for them?

But when I do the math, I wind up with four scum, so no, it's probably still just Spin, Tric, and juice.

But, admittedly, I do need to investigate the hypothetical world where Spin is just radically incompetent instead of being actual scum, just to see if my blind spots are hiding anything.

Not that I expect Spin not to be scum, he's incredibly scummy, not that anyone other than Magma cares, but maybe I'm wrong about who his partners are.

So, Fal... if your math is almost right, and you have 3/4 right, or there are 4, or you have 2/4; there's all kinds of useful ways/reasons to discuss your reads in a specific and clear way, instead of calling numbers.  Umm, I know I'm using phrases like 'among the counted' and maybe you're sending semi-hidden messages to your people during the day because you can't use a chat except at night or something (In my case, I have no chats, but can have mech to discuss or semi-hide while discussing.

But just because I'm discussing references to math in vague ways and clearly prize 'counting' - doesn't mean it's great for you to just use numbers instead of names.

[4maskwolf]

Spoiler: Fallacy's entire post history since he voted Max, uncommented and unedited, open at your own peril (click to show/hide)

I think it's worth noting that Max read me incredibly poorly.

Or rather, he read my past self very well, and read my present self incredibly poorly.

Maybe I wasn't clear, Fallacy. I'm suggesting you should try actually being cool and in control.

I'm not even trying to disparage him, I want him to get over that insecurity he tends to bring to d1.

Currently I've been less insecure. I'm less afraid of the game and getting superkilledasclaimedmasonbyjimgroovester anyways-

Okay, humor aside, I have actually been feeling more confident about this game and mafia in general. Maybe taking a break from mafia for a few months helped. Maybe it's just me getting back into the swing of forum games and being motivated by how much my players enjoy Gate of Dreams.

Maybe it's me idly dreaming about writing webnovels about a guy with the ability to create cups of hot chocolate, or better yet, performing the beautiful and terrifying FBYOR 7 now featuring Wounds and RPG class restrictions on role submission.

But I digress.

Maximum Spin, the fuck are you doing, it's been like two thirds of the way through Day 1 and you haven't even tried to pressure someone yet. Place an actually meaningful vote.

Or say that I'm scum, but if you do, please back it up. Make an actual case. You're not new, I fully believe in your power to bring the pain.

Well, there's two ways of looking at it.

One is that every vote matters in a game of mafia. One vote is the difference between a tie and dead scum.

The other is that the votes of veteran players are more important. (I am not a veteran player.)

The third is that pressuring people to use their votes generates very good data, because you can look at how town players pursue scum and how scum players try to avoid hunting their allies seriously, and discern which is which.

Your playstyle is honestly convincing me that you're entirely town, based on the effort you're putting into hunting and questioning. It's just a bit abrasive. Bad vibes can lead to some pretty heavy outcomes, in this game. I'm apparently way too good at giving off a suspicious vibe.

Possibly because I'm usually scum and I've gotten used to it.

Doesn't mean I agree with all your conclusions, though. juicebox's present behavior, for example, is very common for them on a meta level. They've been in quite a few games, but they haven't really grown beyond low-effort. Unfortunately it's more of a null tell for them in particular than a scum tell.

And I'm curious why you read Max as town, when he's done basically no hunting or questioning of his own thus far, aside from telling me I should be more confident, which, I'm not sure counts, both because I'm already feeling pretty confident and because it's not really hunting.

With both you and Imp as town in my core book, that gives me a pretty solid foundation to work with for now. I'm questioning Max at the moment, but I'm certainly open to investigating 4maskwolf or Crystalizedmire.

Reading and hunting new players is a nightmare because the tells for them are completely unpredictable, at least relative to people with experience in the game. I don't begrudge them that, but it's hard to evaluate someone's playstyle when they don't have a playstyle. Not yet, at least.

I've had some conspiracy theory thoughts, and they're likely not true, but thoughts are pretty useless if not shared, so here goes.

Maximum Spin and Magma Mater scumteam. Probably with a third member elsewhere. Mater is townreading Spin despite the fact that Spin has basically done absolutely nothing thus far.

But maybe I'm chasing shadows.

Well, Magma did revisit his read of Spin, but his earlier read was town, for no apparent reason. I'm not sure how genuine that is, considering how much effort Magma put into their other reads.

You know, there's a non-zero chance it's a Max-juicebox-? scumteam. juicebox just voted for Max's voting target, and they've been interacting with each other weirdly since game start. I'll dig up evidence once I'm home from work.

Well that was a useless first day.

I was unable to perform any action on either of those nights due to the mechanics of my role.

I will also probably be unable to perform an action on Night 3 due to the mechanics of my role.

Thanks, Max. (I don't actually know if you're responsible for this, I just feel like I should blame you.)

I have no new information whatsoever.

I still think my reasons from Day 1 for voting Maximum Spin are entirely valid. To summarize, he was basically active lurking and not actually doing the business of hunting-scum whatsoever. If I have to dig up all his posts from before the Day crashed into the dirt with a no-execute, I will.

I've got some interesting information. First is Fallacy got shot Night 1, or otherwise started with a 0-Shot Bulletproof. As the name is Corpulent Bulk, if the latter it refills as others end up dead, meaning the only way to kill them is via lynch. The second piece of info is something I will hold for now.

Thanks, Tric.

But, yes, since the information is public now, I'll go ahead and confirm that I have this ability, and that it started out at 0 shots.

I'm assuming you didn't actually get that information from an action used on me, though.

Vibe check says it's juicebox TricMagic Maximum Spin.

I'll be out of work in about two hours, once I'm free I'll see about composing a big ol' 'here's why you should vote Maximum Spin' post.

Why You Should Vote Maximum Spin:

Let me start by demonstrating just how appalling and blatant Spin's active-lurking (a term for participating in the thread regularly while not actually contributing any scum hunting) is.

You rolled scum again, didn't you, Fallacy.

Spin's first post. I don't mind the humor, it's normal for things to be more relaxed at the start of the game.

Also 1LOVE. Max, I apologize for what I'm going to do this game. I'm TOWN.

I will forgive you.

Same beans.

Is mafia kill usually not free on mafia universe or something?

It's not all that often free here, although we do like to mix it up a lot.

And did nobody read the bullet directly above the discord link y'all clicked in the OP?

Sure, about two weeks ago! I don't even think the discord link was there then, either.

Commentary on game rules. Not useless, but commenting on game rules and roles is an easy-to-use way of appearing useful while avoiding actually having to chase down scum.

FallacyofUrist, you're still doing the thing...

Complaining about me being 'insecure' or whatever. Still not relevant to finding scum.

Show of hands on whether I should do something really stupid and dangerous that MIGHT win the game?

I wonder how this relates to what Maximum Spin actually did, considering he described his potential action here as 'stupid and dangerous'.

FallacyofUrist, you're still doing the thing...

fallacy is town though

I believe in negative reinforcement.

More about the insecureness thing.

It wouldn't win the game or lose it all at once, but it could put us in a much better or worse position depending on how well town and scum play, potentially with a lot of emphasis on "much". So far my main focus has been thinking about when the right time to use my abilities is.

I think I'm gonna do it, but I'm really counting on you guys to, you know, do a good job.

This could reasonably describe skipping a Day.

That said, I'd consider a Day skip an overall net-negative for town. It removes the chance to perform an execution after one set of Night results, and makes it possible for scum to kill twice in a row without any discussion. Not that any kills seem to have happened, but that's mostly down to Vermillion's improbable heroism.

FallacyofUrist, you're still doing the thing...

If you want me to actually improve you're going to have to explain what 'the thing' is.

The one where you try to be webadict but don't succeed.

"Look, isn't it cool how I'm going to tie everything back to fear? Fear is cool, isn't it? So by extension, that means I'm cool. Cool and in control. And definitely not panicking, hahaha, wouldn't that be so funny good thing it isn't true help? Sorry, did I just say help? Must have been a slip of the tongue. I'm in control. Fear. I mean fear~."

I'm just going to say that I'm allowed to act in a way I think is fun, as long as I'm still trying to play the game and figure out who is scum, which I am.

I'm also curious what exactly you'd define as successfully acting like webadict.

I didn't say you weren't allowed.

Maybe I wasn't clear, Fallacy. I'm suggesting you should try actually being cool and in control.

More critiquing of my supposed insecurity. I continue to fail to see what this has to do with finding scum, at all.

I'm not even trying to disparage him, I want him to get over that insecurity he tends to bring to d1.

I wouldn't even mind him spending some time on this as long as he actually hunted for scum later in the Day.

(He did not.)

Post limits may actually be evil.

More overarching game mechanics commentary. I honestly agree with this, and I'll try a softer approach in my own games.

Maximum Spin, the fuck are you doing, it's been like two thirds of the way through Day 1 and you haven't even tried to pressure someone yet. Place an actually meaningful vote.

Or say that I'm scum, but if you do, please back it up. Make an actual case. You're not new, I fully believe in your power to bring the pain.

You seem oddly worried about what I do with my one little tiny minor inconsequential vote, though...

Spin downplays me pressuring him about not pressuring or hunting anyone else.

I'm just gonna say we should all vote for Wolfkey for now. It's a better idea than whatever this is.

Ends his joke vote on me and moves to Wolfkey, for... entirely unexplained reasons.

Seriously, you sure you aren't a jester?

Blunt mockery which, while in character for Spin, isn't really alignment indicative either.

Not really a fan of the Max lynch, I'd prefer Wolfkey over Max

Interesting how juicebox followed Max's vote, even after the no-execute trend had already started.

I should be annoyed, but I'm really not. I could actually make a no lynch work for town this time, though.

Kicks feet about. A cursory glance says yes I guess. Max, is it still negative reinforcement if you never moved your votes around?

I'm curious, who do you think I'm voting for right now?

Not sure what the annoyance is referring to.

Didn't say it was a day action.

But if you guys do end up lynching me I WILL make you go back and do it over (pretty sure that still fires).

Possibly one of his scummiest posts. The towniest reaction to a wagon on you is to figure out who you think is scum and then vote that person, while using your own behavior as a defense.

Not 'my role will cause Consequences (TM) if you execute me'. Especially when he was at no real risk of being executed at that point in time. Something of an overreaction.

It's not ideal - I'd rather lynch Magma or one of the do-nothings - but it could work really well with my plan here... IF I can trust the rest of town to do a good job. No Lynch

Where'd the suspicion of Magma come from? Why them in particular? Spin has yet to justify why a no-execute Day 1 would ever be a good idea, either.

With the Day winding down and ESPECIALLY if we do indeed nolynch, I'm going to ask the rest of you (town only pls) to have your game faces on, especially any investigative roles and other cool stuff. I wasn't kidding about this being a risky play but I'm convinced it's the right action to take now.

I think it's pretty solidly implied by now that he was responsible for the double-Night, which, I'd call much, much less useful to town than having a proper second Day to discuss the results of Night 1.

Why was it the right action to take?

That marks the last post of Day 1 for Spin, and the overall trend is clear - he didn't pursue a single serious case. Not even a solid pressure vote. He aided in the no-execute when the execution is one of the most reliable tools town has.

I feel like I'm justified in thinking that a Town Spin would have done better than that. Maximum Spin.

I'm a cop, Tric. The 'needing people to die' thing is a balancing factor to being able to confirm people's alignments.

Fallacy, if Max is mafia, we are already dead. That's just how the gift I gave works in scum's hands.

Unless it makes him impossible to execute, no, we're not.

Ninja. Bulletproof Cop is a bit ridiculous Fal.

Yes, it is, but if nobody dies, I can't inspect, and can't resist kills, so. It has its drawbacks.

Imp, if you had two chances to lynch, how would you want to spend them? Assume that you get to find out if the first one was right or wrong before the second try.

Max, it's Day 3, it's a bit late for RVS questions. If you're not talking hypotheticals, please make that clear.

I would also appreciate any response to my case on you thus far.

I would also appreciate some actual scum hunting from you.

Why do you have that assumption, FoU, that an action wasn't used on you to learn your ability?

I have an Auto that would probably disrupt something like that. I may have to ask EP about it, though.

I'll explain my role for you, Imp. Each night I can extort another player. They must either give me an ability, or they will lose all abilities the next time a player surrenders an ability to me. The person I target learns I targeted them.

So if everyone chooses not to give you any abilities, you will never gain any abilities?

Unless you have a backup plan that strikes me as a bit of a design flaw.

Well, Elephant jut sent me an errata saying I got no results from my investigation.

Elephant, behind the scenes, when I mentioned my Auto: shit shit shit shit shit shit

It's okay! Stuff like that happens. Get a spreadsheet if you don't already have one.

Fallacy, these are the types of things you tell people in advance you know?

If you try and push a case on me for not complying with miller / semi-miller meta while Maximum Spin is just sitting there, menacingly, not hunting a single person on either of these Days

I will laugh in your face.

As I think you're Town and don't really trust Tric, I'll give you an ability if you visit me this Night.

Might not be a good ability, but it'll have some utility.

Shouldn't be, unless Tric the Magic Dragon turns all my abilities into innates somehow. Which I doubt.

Again, please do not quote the entirety of large posts. You can make the quote, then remove whatever you don't want to quote before you finish your post.

That said.

i have mechanical confirmation that You are Town

Would you care to share what form this confirmation takes? I already thought Imp was town, going by her behavior, but this is good to hear.

I'm sure Max will agree to a stay of execution given we can repeat the day by skipping tonight.

When was that said?

Of note, Magma is not town. Completely shutting down abilities is not a good thing. Good if you want to kill Fal, Vermillion, Max, and myself though. Or anyone with a troublesome ability.

Okay, ignore the role stuff for the moment. Imagine a world where this is a completely vanilla mountainous game.

If you compare Magma's behavior, and Max's behavior, which of the two is more likely to be scum?

I'm aware we can't just ignore the role mechanics, that never ends well, but everything Magma has done in-thread, their active scum hunting, is far townier than Max.

Yet you seem to trust Max much more, hm~?

You're kidding.

[1] 4mask was my next top scumread because I felt like he and Magma were teamed d1, so, that's good to know. I am 100% down with voting 4maskwolf here.

[2] Now, I've been clear about my suspicions, and the decision is now in the rest of your hands, so I'm not going to push anymore for now.

[1] Did you ever say that you thought those two were a scumteam, back during day 1?

[2] Garbage. If you think someone is scum, then you should be doing everything in your power to get them executed. Build a case post! Map out 4mask's relationships!

Spin, your scum play is ass this game, and the only reason it's working is everyone's too distracted by role minutiae to look at the obvious thing right in front of their faces.

Yes, It Really Is Spin And juicebox:

Disclaimer: my confidence in my scum reads varies. I'm very confident Spin is scum, but only moderately confident juicebox and Tric are scum.

Since juicebox and Spin haven't really interacted directly much, we need to look at more incidental evidence.

Especially since juicebox's own meta trends towards lower activity and engagement, so the same logic that caught Spin won't catch them as easily.

Which makes it all the more ironic that juicebox's play is better than Spin's here - not in terms of activity level, but in terms of scum-huntiness.

You rolled scum again, didn't you, Fallacy.

I think he did

Can't really derive too much from a start-of-game humor post chain, but juicebox did post the very next minute after Spin posted, here. Posting so quickly could be influenced by having a pre-existing attachment to another player.

Show of hands on whether I should do something really stupid and dangerous that MIGHT win the game?

Do it

Unconditional support. Granted, it's still incidental evidence.

Crystalizedmire: They've posted here and there, but I'm not impressed with their posts either, scumlean

Maximum Spin: Max is very hard for me to read, and the scarcity of their posts makes it even harder. Null

Back during juicebox's reads list Day 1, juicebox rates Crystalizedmire as a scum lean for poor post quality, but if juicebox was actually investigating Max, they'd have seen that Max's own post quality was through the floor and digging into the dirt - terrible, in other words, yet juicebox rates Max as null.

Not really a fan of the Max lynch, I'd prefer Wolfkey over Max

This is the real clincher - at the time of this vote, there were three votes on Maximum Spin, three votes on no execution, and one vote (Max's) on Wolfkey.

If juicebox didn't want Max to be executed, the best thing for them to do would be to vote no execution. Instead, they vote Wolfkey, Max's own target, despite the futility of that. Shows some very significant bias.

Additionally, on juicebox's reads list, as mentioned, Max was a null read. The town mindset would be to try and steer the execution towards a scum player, not another null player.

Why Wolfkey?

Shouldn't you want to vote the player you think is scummiest, not the player who's less active?

Wolfkey for the no lynch, honestly.

Sigh. CFD, here we are. The final countdown and no good idea where to go. Unvote.

People need to commit yeah?... No Lynch might as well given th complete lack of information. Why not.

Wolfkey for the no lynch, honestly.

Sigh. CFD, here we are. The final countdown and no good idea where to go. Unvote.

People need to commit yeah?... No Lynch might as well given th complete lack of information. Why not.

It's not ideal - I'd rather lynch Magma or one of the do-nothings - but it could work really well with my plan here... IF I can trust the rest of town to do a good job. No Lynch

Two posts in a row. Sus.

[REDACTED]

Unfortunately, any evidence that juicebox may have been voting for no execution is dead and gone, for game-rules reasons.

Fallacy, I really don't think anyone's going to fall for it no matter how hard you double down. Just move on.

You aren't even responding to my points, Spin.

The worst part is just how effective that strategy is. The Jim Groovester 'ignore it and it'll go away' strategy.

I'll vote you every single page if that's what it takes to get town attention on your case, Maximum Spin.

Fal, if you want to do this you're going first, then Max.

Why do you trust Max so much, hmmmm, scumbuddy-of-Max~?

Not to mention you'd need to ignore Imp's result on 4mask for that conclusion..

You're ignoring Max's ridiculously scummy behavior. The presence of inspection abilities doesn't excuse us from having to investigate scummy behavior.

It's like Magma and I are the only ones to care about that.

Fal, if you want to do this you're going first, then Max.

Okay, to make it even more clear how absurd this is, you're saying that of two people, one of which has scumhunted heavily and has been engaged with the game regularly, and the other of which is has spouted vague role-related nonsense, got rid of an entire Day phase, and hasn't actively tried to hunt scum during Day 1 at all, and during Day 3, hasn't attempted to use behavioral evidence to vote scum at all

Town should vote... the player which has been regularly and heavily hunting for mafia players?

Is that what you're saying, Tric?

Counterpoint, we're not dead yet.

... That really is the whole crux. If Max was mafia we would be dead at the moment.

Unless of course you're also scum and you're lying about that. Can't forget to take that into account.

And Imp did get an alignment inspect of 4mask as mafia.

And that by no means reduces Max's own scumminess. There's enough redirects floating around that it could easily be a result of someone else, plastered over 4mask's face.

Why do you want Max dead so soon?

... Because he's my scummiest scum read? Do I need another reason?

As it stands you don't want Max around while you charge up, which feels really SK to me. Cause if Max is around your chances of victory plummet whether they're town or scum.

I submitted an incredibly SK-themed role, for your information. So naturally I got Town as my alignment. My luck is apparently willing to make exceptions to me being always scum whenever it's ironic enough.

As per Beginner BYOR 2.

Once Lidku flipped I guess none of us considered he would have been bold enough to crane his scumbuddy first, huh?

Fallacy should've known, he's been scum with me before.

You assume I know how to play town.

This was my first town game in forever. I doubt I'll be town again unless I submit a similarly ironic role next time, unfortunately.

Which isn't how probability is supposed to work, but you know, this is the first time I've been town in a webadict game in years, so I think I'm allowed to say that probability is biased against me being town.

I managed to be Town in that game, by submitting...

"It is, naturally, only possible for you to be our rogue agent, Fallacy. You cannot talk your way out of this."

"Oh, but you are most mistaken," FallacyofUrist replies, hanging from the rafters. "You know that I am codename Always Scum for a reason. I may be the false flag operative's leading student, but that does not make me the one who murdered webadict or all the others. But, that is always to be my fate. webadict has once again cursed me."

FallacyofUrist has been executed.

FallacyofUrist was Always Scum (Town).

TricMagic dies during the Night.

TricMagic was Beginner Mafia: BYOR Edition (Town).

Game Over. Maximum Spin and Lidku (Mafia) have won.

Always Scum.

The main issue is you're trying to lynch someone I've slotted into my Town box. You're going to need far more mechanical proof to get them out of that.

Why is Max a town read to you, Tric? How does his Day-game activity support such a read?

FoU, you claimed to be a cop.  Let's say we elim 4maskwolf today.  Will you be ABLE to do cop stuff tonight?

Unfortunately not, not unless two players die this Day. The earliest I'll be able to use any actions is Night 4.

Sucks.

My endless frustration with this game is that no matter how many times I point out the obvious, the scum will deflect and the town won't pay attention.

Fallacy, the earliest anyone will be able to use night actions is Night 4.

What, you're skipping Night 3, next?

A: I gave them the power to kill town protect mafia. They did not use it to do so.
B: They took a gamble and generated a town of information. As compared to holding on to use it as a finisher when no-one knows D1 Max.

What has he done, during the Day, that indicates that he's Town?

who also can read the night results of dead players

Uh, did you mean to claim that part? Nobody's died yet.

What has he done, during the Day, that indicates that he's Town?

Fallacy, why are you trying to convince someone you think is my scumbuddy? Unless maybe you know that's definitely not true?

Spite and frustration.

That, and pointing out the weaknesses in what he's proposing.

Mostly the spite and frustration, though.

Okay, being entirely blunt.

Tell me how Max's behavior indicated that he is Town. How did he hunt for mafia players? How did he question and investigate others?

Give me the scoop, Tric.

You're tapping a dry well Fal. I'd ask the opposite. How are they scum for using their ability?

That's not an answer to my question, Tric.

To answer your question, removing a Day phase is an overall net negative for the Town. The fact that the nightkill was prevented, twice, doesn't really excuse the fact that Spin's ability would have made it possible for scum to kill twice in a row without any execution being performed.

Removing an opportunity for the town to discuss their Night 1 results and perform an execution based on that and Day behavior is profoundly anti-Town.

The execution is our primary weapon to remove mafia from play. Spin removed a use of the execution from play. That is profoundly scummy.

Tell me how Max's behavior indicated that he is Town. How did he hunt for mafia players? How did he question and investigate others?

Give me the scoop, Tric.

Now please answer my question, Tric.

Of course, if I were designing a role like yours, and it was a mafia role, I would have added caveats to make sure it couldn't be used to break LYLO.

Any such caveats, of course, would be revealed once Magma eats your role.

I'm not especially willing to wait for that, though. Unless you're willing to execute juicebox?

Right, took a brief break from the game to let go of my frustration over failing to make any headway towards getting literally anyone other than Magma to notice how scummy Spin's behavior's been.

I find 4mask's role claim stuff questionable, but Spin and Tric are voting for him, so he's probably town.

Both juicebox and Tric have been backing Max up. Coincidence? I think not!

Oliverz... calls out... Wolfkey?

This might change everything.

But when I do the math, I wind up with four scum, so no, it's probably still just Spin, Tric, and juice.

But, admittedly, I do need to investigate the hypothetical world where Spin is just radically incompetent instead of being actual scum, just to see if my blind spots are hiding anything.

Not that I expect Spin not to be scum, he's incredibly scummy, not that anyone other than Magma cares, but maybe I'm wrong about who his partners are.

The spoiler title is not a joke, you really don't have to open it unless you really want to read like fifty posts to check my work.

But let me summarize Fallacy's ISO ever since he voted Max.

Ahem.

MAX MAX MAX MAX MAX MAX MAX MAX MAX MAX MAX MECH MAX MAX MAX MECH MECH MAX MECH MAX MAX MAX MAX MAX MECH MECH MECH MAX MAX MAX MAX MAX MAX MAX MAX MECH MECH MAX MAX MAX

Honestly this is so utterly myopic that I'm inclined to file this under town and move on, there's a grand total of two posts in there that aren't mech, why max is a wolf, or who could be a wolf with max. I don't know Fallacy's meta too well but I think Fallacy has enough experience that he, y'know, does literally anything else in addition to pushing Max worlds.

We also, if I'm reading this correctly, have three cop claims. Fallacy, Oliver, and Imp.

Yeah I don't think Fallacy and Oliver and w/w.

[Magma Mater]

But when I do the math, I wind up with four scum, so no, it's probably still just Spin, Tric, and juice.

But, admittedly, I do need to investigate the hypothetical world where Spin is just radically incompetent instead of being actual scum, just to see if my blind spots are hiding anything.

Not that I expect Spin not to be scum, he's incredibly scummy, not that anyone other than Magma cares, but maybe I'm wrong about who his partners are.

If Max flips town, are Tric and juicebox still mafia?

Good post 4mask, I read Oliverz's read list the same way essentially. I appreciate the time you put into that.
Unvote for now. I do intend to put it back before EOD but I can make sure you have time to do stuff.

[Elephant Parade]

Votecount
+ 4maskwolf: Maximum Spin, TricMagic, Oliverz144, VermillionSkies (4)
- AnimePigeon: Imp (1)
- Crystalizedmire: (0)
- FallacyofUrist: (0)
- Imp: (0)
- juicebox: (0)
- Magma Mater: AnimePigeon (1)
- Maximum Spin: FallacyofUrist (1)
- Oliverz144: Crystalizedmire, juicebox, 4maskwolf (3)
- TricMagic: (0)
- VermilionSkies: (0)
- Wolfkey: (0)

- No Lynch: (0)

Not Voting: Magma Mater, Wolfkey (2)

With 12 votes in play, it’s 7 to hammer (6 to hammer No Lynch).

Day 3 ends Tuesday, 8:30 PM PST (in ~22.5 hours).

[4maskwolf]

Hey, 4mask, those you're sure are not evil, or seem sure of, like Magma.  If you're interested/willing, explaining why you see whichever folks as towny or as null is valuable to my thinking too.  It's also useful in general for evaluating how you think, so if someone is interested in considering and moving their vote, it can't hurt you.

I appreciate your reads, and I appreciate them regardless of if you flip or not.

This wording, by the way:

Good afternoon.

Y'all are gonna kill me regardless so I'm just gonna ignore y'all and solve for a while so you'll have a legacy to go off of.

I'm not trying to stop your solving at all.  But the wording you use, it's almost like you're saying you're solving and making a legacy because you're about to die, and like you wouldn't if you were more sure you were gonna live.

You also mention the isoing (of at least Oliverz, but you make it sound like most isoing of anyone) as being painful.  I wonder what about mafia brings you joy, and how you like to play and scumhunt.

Thanks for your help.

Answering this in a separate post for my own sanity, post caps be damned.

Let's see, people I think are town:
Magma I'm not, like, 100% on being town and could be a weird wolf counterpart to my role (stealing things from the living rather than the dead) but seems to be one of the only people with their head screwed on so I'm fine with having him around and posting.
You I tinfoiled back and forth on but while I don't think the way you played your peek on me was townie it's not actually out of character with what I've seen of you so far and the rest has been mostly townie. You also fall into the same category as magma, and the wolves probably did try and kill you unless the team is exactly you/vermillion/+1. Yes it could be multiball but I'm not playing like it's multiball unless we have evidence.
Juicebox has generally been townie, and I know he's telling the truth about his N2 action.
Fallacy I'm now leaning towards down on after a quick reread.
Those are the only four people I think are, like, townie right now. The rest of my list was determined by AP not being aligned with Oliver since you don't fruit vend a kill target and not being convinced that Oliver specifically calls out Wolfkey like that if they're wolf buddies. Looking at the way Oliver treated CM though it could happen so I'd revise to say if Oliver is a wolf the third wolf is in Max/TM/Wolfkey

Re: the second part, it's not that I wouldn't have solved if I didn't think I was 100% dying but if I thought there was a chance I live the day I would have invested time and energy into making that happen and trying to push through a wolf rather than diving into heavy analysis for my legacy. Better a dead wolf than dead town. But since I'm dying anyway no point wasting energy on that.

You're reading a little too much into my comment about ISOing being painful, I genuinely do enjoy playing mafia both for the social aspect as well as (for town) the desperate race to solve before the clock runs out and (for wolves) the joy of using my perfect knowledge to send the town running this way and that. When I say pain it's not, like, super deep or I genuinely dislike the game or whatever, it's just that not being able to press one button and pull up every post a player made in the game for review is a big loss of convenience and means I have to take longer to accomplish the same effect.

[FallacyofUrist]

Yes, but. What if I'm right about it being Max? Why is nobody actually stopping to consider my arguments? Does nobody else see how juicebox and Tric backed him up?

Baaaaaaah.

I feel like we got way too lost in the night game sauce and ended up speeding right past obvious bad behavior.

Which, of course, was probably Max's plan.

(That part and only that part is a joke.)

[4maskwolf]

Yes, but. What if I'm right about it being Max? Why is nobody actually stopping to consider my arguments? Does nobody else see how juicebox and Tric backed him up?

Baaaaaaah.

I feel like we got way too lost in the night game sauce and ended up speeding right past obvious bad behavior.

Which, of course, was probably Max's plan.

(That part and only that part is a joke.)

If I have time I'll go back and read your posts on Max (and Max's posts in general) but I'm already fading and I work until about 3 hours before EoD so it's not guaranteed.

[Crystalizedmire]

Readslist:
Town
Imp - obv town - Helpful as always though I find her posts quite verbose
Vermillionskies - Confirmed town? - confirmed town if I understand correctly, I dont think I absorbed the information enough though
Tricmagic - Town vibe - I think they are trying to help and I sort of trust their judgement on Maximum Spin
Fallacy of Urist - Scumishly town - They're paranoid at maximum Spin but I think they're genuinely paranoid as town. Still, they emit a scumish vibe.
Maximum Spin - Scumishly town - I find their odd silence a little scummy but I trust Tricmagic's judgement and I dont think we can do anything about it.
Magma Mater - townish null - I find their playstyle more agravating rather than  scumish. There are some posts which feel like they're trying to help town.
Wolfkey - newbish null - their play is reasonable for a newbie and I get it. In my first mafia game I found it hard jumping into the conversation too.
Oliverz - obv scum - value their abilities much more than they value town. Not only that, they straight up think I am lying about my actions and refused to elaborate. Said my role was unclear despite it being very clear. Said I knew magma mater's role(I did not know).
4mask wolf - obv scum - investigated as scum and only claimed to be miller after the investigation. Voted on Oliverz wagon in an obvious attempt to save themself.
Mafia

Dear Magma, im happy you interacted with my post, although you didn't show any interest for my perspective, Which is quite saddening yet not unforeseeable.

Dear Max, thank You for the clarification ;)

Please, somebody, explain to me how to Iso on this site.
Also, how am i on the theme of post caps? I feel like i post a medium amount of content, which however is by far not as compressed and tightly packed into posts as Imp does it...

I tend not to concern myself with the perspective of mafia LOL

Wether you like it or not, trying to see the perspective of someone you think is scum is quite helpful for town.
Thanks for answering my question, Imp.
Ninjad: I still think maskwolf is scum
Good iso on Oliverz and Fallacy but I dont understand why I would be scum if Oliverz is scum.

[4maskwolf]

Good iso on Oliverz and Fallacy but I dont understand why I would be scum if Oliverz is scum.

I should probably clarify what rule of three means.

Rule of Three is the idea that when a wolf provides three wolfreads, most of the time exactly one is scum. It's an extrapolation from the way most wolves play, where they aren't going to go all-in on powerwolfing or bussing but try and remain somewhere in the middle, pushing a mix of town and wolves to maintain credibility while advancing agenda.

I'm town.

Magma and Oliverz almost always aren't w/w unless Oliverz is a way better player than I'm giving him credit for.

And Oliverz does not strike me as the type of wolf to powerwolf the hell out of the game and provide an all-green mafia list just off the way he's played so far, so he's probably fallen to rule of three.

Which means you're a wolf.

You're also the only person on his wolf list that he didn't vote today, despite devoting more time to why you were a wolf than me.

You're on my list to ISO before EoD to determine whether or not that initial analysis holds up.