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[Imp]

Kinda like how Fal doesn't trust me. Bit isn't calling me an SK and voting me. Note investigation actions are wasted on Fal, GM Error notwithstanding.

What kind(s) of investigative actions?  I get that you did not MAYBE get info about one of FoU's abilities except I don't see formal mod redaction so you did?

But are you saying FoU can't be tracked/watched/role inspected/alignment inspected/any investigated of any kind - or just your specific ability isn't gonna work there?

Oliverz!  Yes, I often think Oscar instead with you.  Imp-the-mixes-up-names is me.  Um, so.

What did you do N1?

What did you do N2?

I get what happened to you, looks as close as we can get to a police report.

But what did you do yourself?

[TricMagic]

Only Fal can answer what doesn't work, and they're not talking. not D1, not D2. Just letting town run headfirst into a brick wall. And now promising "gifts".

[Oliverz144]

4maskwolf
still reading up

[Imp]

Only Fal can answer what doesn't work, and they're not talking. not D1, not D2. Just letting town run headfirst into a brick wall. And now promising "gifts".

I'm off to work.  Reviewed FoU's recent posts, I don't see anything I recognize as gifts.  Can you quote maybe explain cause I am lost.  Is it my work brain that can't process game or what?

Gotta laugh at the reactions FoU has to the double night, then double day (if that does happen as discussed).  it's less we lost a day/elim and more we're just having a very changed order of the normal day/night cycle - by the time D5 comes we will have had 3 day and 3 night cycles, it'll be 'as if' it were D4 just with a highly unusual order to the typical alternating order.

Right.  Fake voting work then getting effectively commuted by it for many hours.  Saaaaaveeeee meeeeeee wait, I forgot that has costs.  I save myself in several hours.  Byeeeeeee.

[Oliverz144]

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Okay, so does this make sense, am I understanding bussing correctly?  Did I miss anything folks have claimed that anyone notices?

N1, Wolfkey masquerades/busses Magma Mater and Crystalizedmire.  Tricmagic targets CM, so instead gets results from MM.  MM targets Oliverz, so that's what TM sees, thinking it's CM's target.  CM targeted MM, would that force CM to target self thus fail to steal any ability?

N2, Wolfkey roleblocks CM.  CM targets Oliverz, but is roleblocked, again getting some kind of failure to steal.

If I understand right, CM and TM may have completely been honest about the results each reported regarding this.  None of the claims seems anti-town to me, any of it could be, but this can all be fine.  I've seen town CM steal from reasonable targets; I've been town and stolen from targets I knew were town (I had a robin-hood-like ability and could give stuff really well too, but still, I am aware it can be townie to be able to steal and to actually steal, even from known town).  Additionally, Wolfkey's choices are odd but not necessarily horrible.  Wolfkey, would you tell us why you picked these targets?

TricMagic N1 gives a kill-everyone or 'mafia instantly wins!' or something to Max, and is horrified Max talks about it (odd, Max doesn't talk about the extortion though); also N1 checks FoU and gets [redacted by mod] if I understand right.  N2 checks an ability Wolfkey has, gets masquerade.  This seems like TricMagic, probably not maf TM, maybe most likely town TM (even as town TM is always an honorary serial killer and we honor the TM indeed!  Me myself and I, plus any other that can be counted as 'we'!)

4maskwolf did mod-knows-what N1 and N2, we have no claim except 4mask did get a new ability; Imp got a red mafia inspect result on 'uncounted' 4maskwolf.  4mask, I am totally still listening to you if you talk more.  I tried to wait as long as I thought certain to be pro-town before I stopped trying to gather new info and announced, but I'm still trying to gather more info.

Imp runs around like Sandy Claws on N1 and N2, giving gifts and checking if people are on the naughty or nice list, 4maskwolf N1 seems naughty and Vermilion N2 seems nice.  No comment redacted by Imp/Sandy Claws about anything else going on, but it's all towny and best intentioned - feel free to recheck whenever in case of conversion or other doubt.

Vermilion did a guardian thing on Imp N1 and N2, may have done other stuff; Imp got a 'counted' town inspect on Vermilion.  Seems very townie to me here; I almost didn't inspect here but I already had a red, was alive and glad, and Vermilion had kinda made himself very close to me, why not check since we can only handle so many anti-town found at once and if Vermilion is anti-town really do want to know.

AnimePigeon has an ability that tells people they were targeted to hear a joke and they laugh.  This unlocks something for AP at some point, I hope it's not a happy death for all the people who laughed.  AP targeted Imp and TM.  These are the kinda targets, I think, one picks when one wants to land likely town; interesting that Vermilion wasn't chosen (but by N2, AP was in a chat with Vermilion, maybe that affected target decision) ... no wait!  I misremembered, said targeted Juicebox.  JB said slight scumlean on AP.  I had said 'if stays quiet, end AP' and noted that he'd played with me when I'm evil more than anyone here, but had rarely seen me good.

AP - why'd you pick Imp then Juicebox to target, you funny fellow?

Due to your Mechanic Imp, if anything, I need to ensure you remain alive.

Very little comment.  I'm not gonna discuss the mechanics I know are involved and I may not know all the mechanics involved (there could be you-side-only mech there, and it even could be individualized for all I know, I am sure you guys don't know all my side of it), but while I am something of an activated trap card for you guys who landed actions on me (if you can't win with town - I will be careful and gentle for those who can) I wasn't told like, 'if I die, you will go with me'.  That could potentially be true for you specifically, I suppose, with no reason for me to be informed of, and I'm fascinated if so, it makes me want to laugh again.  What I don't want everyone to think is that 'Oh, Imp died.  Well, mechanics mean it could not have been AP!' because I do not know anything about that mech and absolutely cannot confirm it.

I don't think this ability is 'enough' for AP, unless the stuff he unlocks is really interesting.  It could be.  This can be anything; he can be innocent and have his views and actions.  I want to hear a lot more from AP, but I know something of how busy he is.  Watch this slot for possible ignition; it's not TM but Juicebox and me possibly targeted.  And why those targets, argh whaa why.  'Cleared N2', again NK are often free and multiaction is a thing (I am multiaction, for example, though not all are; a single action of tell a joke and get some power but need more - I don't believe this.  My skin crawls!  He's Oogie Boogie, eeeeeeek!  "And if you aren't shakin' there's something very wrong, 'cause this may be the last time you hear the Boogie Song".  No mech to back that up but omg eeek help!

Gasp!  Is it like this, his 'act' is dead without me?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqTQYGUhz_Y

Again, this is fear talking.  I don't have a freaking clue, just observations... clues are for you guys this game, even something of a possible evidence trail; me I get fear and help and mech, and the chance to give gifts, yay!

Imps Mechanic suggests that me, Vermilion, Oliver and Imp are aligned in some way.

It begins with a successful action used on specifically me.  If you actually are still unaware of that, let's make that very clear.  A lot follows it, and can be individualized to some extent.

Your 'aligned in some way' is you three all successfully did something to me; and I'm me; we can be all different alignments except 2 of us are the same for sure.  Any of you could be anything otherwise.  Be aware; new successful targetters on me will go through the same set of mech and you will be informed if you're still alive; if you're pro-town I kinda need you to understand that so you can pass info to the 'uncounted' in case I'm not here to.

I'm not attempting to encourage or refuse any new targetters (except I really prefer that Magma please do not target me, umm if he does I hope it's with something lightweight and safe for me, I feel like a snowflake before a volcano and expect only disaster for me if I am too close to his powers; but hey he chose so far not to use them on me, he might be fine)

Magma Mater... interesting stuff.

@Imp I have one more ability. If I gain two abilities that I did not start with, my extortion ability becomes a free action. That's it. No other abilities or special win condition. Cards are on the table now. If you are town, then my wincon is compatible with yours, because I am also town.
I targeted Oliverz night one. At the start of night two, he received the extortion message. At the end of night two, I received the result of his decision.
I targeted Max night two. At the start of day three, he (presumably) received the extortion message. At the end of day three, I will receive the result of his decision.
If someone surrenders an ability to me, then ALL players who refused will lose all of their non-innate abilities.

I believe this.  I actually believe the town claim here too.  Knowing I can be wrong, still.  This could be true.

Funny that Max discusses this:

I have more I want to say later, but first I would like to state that I gave 1+ single-use actions out both N1 and N2.

I would like to confirm receiving a very nice present which I'm now guessing was probably from you.

... Kinda expected you to keep it under wraps, but yeah. That was my gamble I decided Day 1. So nevermind the previous post.

Sorry, you know I'm pretty cards on the table about mechanical interactions as town. Not going to hide information that could be used to explain the giver's action. I don't intend to share any other details of what it was in any way.

But if it helps, I'm fully confident in you now. No way you'd do this as mafia. (You'd do it as sk but that's okay.)

But doesn't mention the named mech interaction stuff from Magma.  Funny, but believable.

Also I'm going to be super extra clear here.

Max, if you do not give me your "skip day" ability so that I can inspect the wording, I will consider it a scum claim.

Even if you think I'm mafia... if you are town, it's in your best interest to give me that ability so that I can publicly confirm it.

This is interesting.  I'm reminded that FoU has a 0-shot ability that presumably can be filled; I wonder if FoU can refill other shotted abilities under some circumstances.

I'm not sure how I feel about this 'request'.  It would presumably wipe Oliverz abilities off the board.  I wonder how that would affect the mech I have going.... probably wouldn't change anything from my side of the stuff.  I'm not highly convinced Oliverz is anti-town, I'm aware several are concerned about him (and I don't have to fear as much from normal NK, I really wanna find anti-town but I don't have my normal fear set this game anymore, prize you so much Vermilion!)

I'm not sure how I feel about the ability in MM's and maybe passed to others, hands if MM is or isn't town.  Did Max have evil planz that didn't get to happen?  I don't really think so.

At this time I don't support the assertion that only Max as scum might refuse that extortion.  We also have other ways to hopefully check Max's alignment if we want to.  And scum Max can and would give that ability away if he saw fit - giving it can't prove Max town (I wouldn't agree it's proof) and I don't agree that not giving it proves Max scum.

So, don't expect me to vote Max because of your assertion, MM; however I'm more comfortable with you now than I've been at any point earlier in the game.  Remember you can even be redirected (Unless you know you can't be) and that's a very potent thing you can do; I suppose you can just stop using it if you find yourself forced to target someone you don't want to risk having lose all abilities of -

For example, if this ended up used on me, right now I don't agree it makes sense to wipe out Max's and Oliver's abilities and I also don't have an ability I'd like to give up forever.  If I simply refuse, now you have an extortion ready to wipe me out as well, which I presume as town you may not want to explore, even if we find another townie to pass the curse to.

Oh, what happens if the person's killed the day they hold the extortion decision?  Does their choice 'land'?  If you were forced to target me and I refused, could you use it on my latest evil inspect result and then the following day we elim them, they're dead before night; does that 'clear' the extortion and release everyone already on it, or just set everyone up to get wiped?

I kinda like having Max and Magma in the same game, Magma you're maybe the closest to a second Max I've played beside.... and you two, I mean that as a compliment to you both.  Totally feels like playing beside Dexter and the refigerated truck killer though as they play their very intense games, but I'm maybe not someone either sees as a target (or are either or both so coming for me once ready to).  However, staring at the Oogie Boogie song and focused on you, my mind said no and screamed about AP and known 4mask.  Instead... this fits you now, weirdly, to me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZu4tD0uQOw.

I'm not currently eager to see either of you elim or NK, and you're both maybe fine.

Also, Imp, thanks for taking my advice and figuring out 4mask's alignment on your own. I knew you'd get there eventually. 

No promises (about getting there eventually on everything), but I'm listening to everyone and thinking as well as I can.  I don't mean to be stupid and I was only slightly surprised to see red/mafia as the result on 4mask (it's also the first evil inspect result I've ever had!!! I've rarely had inspects; I was super cop not that long ago but everyone I inspected was a likely next-day ML and all town).  I knew it was possible 4mask could be anti-town; I didn't think it very likely, but there was enough reasoning to make that a good choice and yes, your comments were a significant factor in my choice.  I appreciate what you and everyone says and does!

Hey.  Mater.  You also sound like you can avoid offering that extortion to anyone.  Remember redirects can exist and consider if it helps more than it harms, I'm sure you will make a decision that satisfies your understanding of your wincon and your values/situational awareness.

Who's left...

Oliverz doesn't claim what he did N1 or N2... oh, this is maybe part of why we want him dead or stripped of abilities, yeah?  He maybe is also a cop, with a statement that Imp and Vermilion, and maybe also AP are town.  He also doesn't talk a lot, mostly about his outrage at being extorted.  Sure doesn't LOOK townie.  He's also quieter than he was last game I played with him (he was town and really wanted me dead, but I was framed town and nearly designated dier there, haha).  Do I want him stripped of all abilities?  Dunno.  He's 'counted' though, and I know I'm shoulder to shoulder with an apparently unkillable protector, and my very flavor tells me I'm immortal - which is only flavor until someone like Vermilion makes it real.  This may be anything.  I note that MM thinks he's pretty scummy, and MM has marked a inspects as mafia person before (even if MM is evil, he could NEED other evil dead) and may be genuinely, informedly, and skillfully hunting)

Fallacyofurist ... let's see.  Intends to accept the extortion from Magma if offered it, Magma seems to want to offer it.  HRM.

Well that was a useless first day.

I was unable to perform any action on either of those nights due to the mechanics of my role.

I will also probably be unable to perform an action on Night 3 due to the mechanics of my role.

Thanks, Max. (I don't actually know if you're responsible for this, I just feel like I should blame you.)

Well, not a very townie-focused attitude.  Could be anything.

Juicebox tracked CM N1 (targeted Oliverz from bussing with MM by Wolfkey) and AP N2 (targeted Juicebox)

Maximum Spin took D2 out of play and then no actioned N2.  Has hinted about a lot of various interesting abilities; Tric thinks alternatively proved not-Mafia because Tric says gave him a way mafia could win.

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for the n1 and n2 mech i think that pretty much means that imp wasnt kill tried n1 and n2, cause then the person killing would be in the "counted" by imp, ajd only people with successful actions are counted... ans obviously no kill was successful on Imp =)
Given the fact that verm claimed to have eaten a (the?) kill twice on him or Imp probably means that verm was a kill twice...
being twice targeted with a kill means smbdy tried n1, and then tried again n2 although it didnt succeed n1...
Why would that be?
Because somebody got VERY afraid of Vermillion d1.
When im done reading up, i will look into who was scumread/pushed by Vermillion d1
=)

[Oliverz144]

Oh, that long post also wanted me to claim... Imp is reall afraid of the post cap xD
n1 i targeted Imp, got a very cool result, which allowed me to evolve =)
Sadly i forgot to act on n2. Even my Mater Response was randomized Thank God the right answer was taken =)

[TricMagic]

My laptop has officially died. The charger popped out. So it's on it's last leg. That will be all from me today.

[Oliverz144]

If I understand the mech correctly exactly one of Vermillion or Oliverz is a wolf.

According to my understanding Imp's ability revealed to three people that they had all targeted Imp N1. One claimed a fruit vendor ability that was confirmed by Imp, one claimed bulletproof bodyguard who knows when they get hit, and one vagueposted an investigative claim.

So it's Oliverz or Vermillion who's a wolf, and it all comes down to whether your trust the claim of bulletproof aware bodyguard.

If Oliverz is a wolf AP is never paired with him off that as well I'm pretty sure. You don't fruit vend the NK target.

Presumably, the mafia performing the kill wouldn't be seen targeting Imp because they would be redirected to Vermilion. At least, that's how I'd rule it as a game moderator. That said, there is enough evidence against Oliverz to consider lynching him regardless of mech.

@Imp If my target is killed or lynched before the following night, my ability has no effect. So if we were to lynch Max here, my ability use would be effectively cancelled.
As for your most recent question, I can only take an ability if they decide to give one to me. Otherwise, they just disappear into the void.

4maskwolf
I'd be pretty comfortable ending the day now. I don't think there's anything else to discuss. And if Max isn't lying then we're skipping night three anyway.

evidence outside of mech?
what are you even talking about??

[TricMagic]

... How csm a phonrhavr stivky keys. Itjusy deleted my entire post. Two sentan es gone after a minute of typing...

[Elephant Parade]

Votecount
+ 4maskwolf: Maximum Spin, TricMagic, Magma Mater, Oliverz144 (4)
- AnimePigeon: Imp (1)
- Crystalizedmire: (0)
- FallacyofUrist: (0)
- Imp: (0)
- juicebox: (0)
- Magma Mater: AnimePigeon (1)
- Maximum Spin: FallacyofUrist (1)
- Oliverz144: Crystalizedmire, juicebox, 4maskwolf (3)
- TricMagic: (0)
- VermilionSkies: (0)
- Wolfkey: (0)

- No Lynch: (0)

Not Voting: VermillionSkies, Wolfkey (2)

With 12 votes in play, it’s 7 to hammer (6 to hammer No Lynch).

Day 1 3 (have I seriously been saying Day 1 this entire time) ends Tuesday, 8:30 PM PST (in 1 day and ~12.5 hours).

[Magma Mater]

K, so.  You dive into various people.  From encouraging Oliverz to especially talk more 'if town' to how you probe at and appear to try and resolve Juicebox.

Why are you okay with AP's play/letting him coast?  You don't seem to be doing that with anyone else.

I was also letting Wolfkey coast yesterday. And today I'm letting everyone coast, I don't think I've tried to prod anyone in particular into posting.
With AnimePigeon it's clear that he's just not interested and probably isn't checking the thread. Unlike people like Vermilion or Crystalizedmire who are just incredibly passive and won't post unless you address them directly, there isn't much point in trying to stimulate AP. I'm not ok with his play, but I do have other priorities. Do you think that his lurking is alignment-indicative?

Imp, you didn't really acknowledge the things in my post that I was most hoping you'd respond to. Where is the evidence for a) AnimePigeon being scum at all, b) AnimePigeon specifically being an arsonist?

My laptop has officially died. The charger popped out. So it's on it's last leg. That will be all from me today.

Damn that sucks, sorry about your luck. 

Oh, that long post also wanted me to claim... Imp is reall afraid of the post cap xD
n1 i targeted Imp, got a very cool result, which allowed me to evolve =)
Sadly i forgot to act on n2. Even my Mater Response was randomized Thank God the right answer was taken =)

Imp was probably the worst player in the game to inspect, I don't believe this at all. You're telling me you suspected Imp day one? How did you decide to target him?

[Oliverz144]

Guys i just wrote a long ass readslist on like 60/70% and I accidentally hit the back button on my phone... I feel u trick

[Oliverz144]

Magma, i did pick the right Target =) You don't know everything and i dont plan on telling you =)

[Oliverz144]

ok here we go again, I'm writing this in the notepad app on my phone, wow all manual formating :/ with edged brackets, atleast the text field is bigger

TM (aka TrikMagic, i noticed you asked about this abbreviation and werent answered), I hope for the best for You to fix Your technical difficulties.
Before i had here written that it works somewhat on my phone, it doesnt =)


im gonna write this from scuminess to towniness to mess with all the thread skimmers hahaha

[color="red scum

Edit: I just realized i can forward on the page and got my post back !! Woohoo
Gonna paste it into my clipboard after here and continue writing it =)


TM (thats You, TrigMagic! I remember You once asked who that was xD), i hope you fix your technical issues =)
Its somewhat possible on a phone (for me atleast) as long as you dont try formating

Anyways, here is my readslist  woohoo ( i wanna put in effort ( i want to become better ))) from scumy to towny to screw with the thread skimmers ( i spent 6+ hours reading everything, my heads cooked)


Mafia (haha i voted the right thing xD)
4mask
- red check. Strange Claim that has had quite some inconsistencies pointed out. Weird reads, pushiness and tunneling

MagmaMater
- Strange and exclusively evil role. Targets that were targeted in the night do NOT really add up with the reads claimed d1 (!!!). Agressive Attitude, Omgus.

CrystallizedMire
- caught claiming false Actions/Roles TWICE!! in a row today. Unclear role (similarity to MM was once claimed!). Knew MMs role before it went public.

scumlean
FoU
- The obsession with Max has been weird, as well as the try to scum paint every one around it... No successful actions claimed :/

Null/not enough info
Wolfkey
- doesnt have the best look saying that the problem is not time, but rather the lack of topics. Wolfkey, please post a readslist just like i do here right now.




Townlean
Vermillon
- Very strong TR, only i wish he would be more active everywhere... thats my only problem for real...

JuiceBox
- very nice usage of the tracker, in alignment with the Reads of d1!


Town
Imp
- Its confirmed i targeted Imp n1, and the result is an ultimate greencheck
Oskar
- no explanation needed, it's quite obvious fmpov

Im happy to vote in the two scummier segments, preferably the red group.

i honestly forgot what i wanted to say about
max
tm
ap

i think im gonna go do some duolingo, new arena started. We got over 24hours left, remember 4mask is at L3

Anyways, who wants to chat about the moon?

[Maximum Spin]

i honestly forgot what i wanted to say about
max
tm

Don't worry about it, we're both town, there, saved you some trouble