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[Persus13]

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For what it's worth, Cheeetar's thoughts on Toaster:

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My advice, incase I'm dead tonight: Get Toaster, the enchanter. Sorry for switching from him to Shakerag- I really wasn't fully considering things at the time, and it was a huge mistake on my part.

Actually, no. The opposite. If he's scum, lynching another scum will still keep it from being a loss for town, and if he isn't scum, he's the one person who lynching would guarantee a town loss. So- this was stupid of me. Probably lynch somebody else who NQT suspects.

Also, my conversation with DA last night:

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Hey, do you think it's still a good idea to go along with Jim's plan? Being able to verify who's doing things is great and all, but if the scum know who we're guarding we're guaranteed to lose someone tonight.

I'm not sure. I trust Jim a little less because of that whole business with Shakerag at day end, and I'd rather be out protecting people. I do like the idea of knowing whether Scripten's war vet claim is true though.

Well, I'll probably protect Cheeetar or maybe Tiruin if you want to protect someone other than Scripten. Up to you, though.

Okay then. Fine with me.

And I forgot to hit reply all with this message.

Also, the okay with me is the guard Cheeetar or Tiruin part. I'll guard you or UXLZ.

Eh, Urist's wording was a bit off. "Probably" implies a chance above 50% that Toaster is scum, I was merely wondering if he knew something we didn't.

Speaking of fishy night actions, Jim, we've had a hell of a lot of them. Yours, ZU's, Tiruin's. Is there someone who doesn't have a fishy night-action?
Persus? Actually, sorry if I missed it but who did Persus actually guard?

I guarded Deus Asmoth last night after discussion with DA. I stated that in my previous post, but I didn't really emphasize it.

However, her inspect on DA doesn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense.

At this stage in the game I think baffling night actions are something that should be paid a lot of attention.

I can see it being weirdly paranoid town. I don't see the potential scum motivation behind it, though.

The scum motivation is that Tiruin's lying and see carried out the night kill.

Jim: Any fishier than you complaining about people not following a plan that you had no intention of following yourself?

Except he did follow his plan.

As for you, Persus. There's quite a large bit of jumping to conclusions there.

The above leads me to conclude that a ZU-Tiruin-someone else (probably DA) scumteam where Tiruin did the kill last night. Tiruin and ZU both voting Jim when no one else is voting cements this impression. If you are town, please vote, today is probably our last chance to win this one.

If I was scum with ZU--I would've gone for the Scripten Kill due to him claiming a War Vet. Somehow, you don't take this into account in creating your suspect list, and somehow given your list of speculation, you're coming up with a scumteam where this would be possible.

Yes, of course I'm going to believe the person who I believe to be scum when they say they would have killed someone completely different if they were scum. Furthermore, your argument is completely stupid. If you killed Scripten last night, we would have known ZU was scum because only by him blocking Scripten would you have succeeded in killing him (assuming DA is not scum). Why would scum kill a war vet as he is no danger to you in anyway after he claims.

Query for you: How did your speculations deduct such an idea from its list of priority?
What leaves out certain other people here? Like Toaster, Jim or ZU (as tied with any other people there)?

I don't understand what you are trying to say here.

Why am I a priority vote target compared to anyone else? Is your basis for DA being town somewhat higher than my speculation to pick him as an inspect target? Why?

Because Zombie Urist can roleblock people and I still need to figure out the third person on the scumteam. You're also scummier than anyone else. You picking DA as a target is completely stupid because until today DA was NOT a suspect by anyone, even you. You yourself said that DA and pisskop were likely the same alignment.

...This wasn't poste-
Gah >_>

Could Tiruin have killed Cheeetar? Yes, she could have. She claims to have gotten a protect result on Deus Asmoth, but Deus Asmoth has been known to be a Guardian since D2 so Tiruin could reasonably fake her inspect or DA and Tiruin could both be scum so she knew DA's action anyway. Could she have killed NQT? Not unless she and ZU are on the same scumteam, as she claimed Protect on ZU before ZU's role was known.

So tell me Persus. Of that whole list of speculations--why haven't you quoted one tiny bit of mine and questioned it entirely? What I'm thinking here is something I expected anyone to question beforehand; my post here. Somehow, given your vote on me and the large list of speculation--you aren't seemingly bothering to question for impact.
Somehow you're moving on speculation other than questioning what is in front of you.
Somehow you ignore primary evidences in the orange part which led me to correspond with others in making that decision--all of whom are dead now (ie NQT/Cheeetar).

Uh, what? What is there to question about that post? And yes, I am wrong about the orange part, because I still can't find the post where you actually claimed your result on Zombie Urist.

[Tiruin]

Uh, what? What is there to question about that post? And yes, I am wrong about the orange part, because I still can't find the post where you actually claimed your result on Zombie Urist.

...So even after probably several instances of claims of that matter, unquestioned by you...or perhaps even a search function "Protect"...did not reveal this?

...Really?

You confuse me with your perception. It's astute at times, and then here's now ._.

Yes, of course I'm going to believe the person who I believe to be scum when they say they would have killed someone completely different if they were scum. Furthermore, your argument is completely stupid. If you killed Scripten last night, we would have known ZU was scum because only by him blocking Scripten would you have succeeded in killing him (assuming DA is not scum). Why would scum kill a war vet as he is no danger to you in anyway after he claims.

Yeaaaah, its totally "stupid" because an assumption validates its purpose and theory. That's a very good idea--especially considering the player count as of the moment.

PS: Town can fakeclaim here; the orthodox policies on town and claims do not necessarily apply in Paranormal/Supernaturals when there are needed secrets to be gained or protected. So that's another factor into the equation.

I don't understand what you are trying to say here.

I was questioning your 'scumteam' proposition. With a blank vote and nothing for me to answer--it seems you are ultimately conclusive with that 'speculation' list. You did not leave any space for questioning, but propositioned the ideas instead.

Because Zombie Urist can roleblock people and I still need to figure out the third person on the scumteam. You're also scummier than anyone else. You picking DA as a target is completely stupid because until today DA was NOT a suspect by anyone, even you. You yourself said that DA and pisskop were likely the same alignment.

Its nice to see counter-transference in play, as well as run-on correlation sentences.
Somehow, you're not backing such an impactful and evocative statement in any of your posts on me.

Of note, the blue part--I said that BACK IN THE DAY, but I changed that later on to see Pisskop as Town, but DA as uncertain.
Would you cast aside the guise and label of 'stupid' to understand that one could act on a target they deem as 'non-suspect'? Non-suspect =/= Town, scumbag.

You imply a lot, kuya.
I've never said anything there, other than...from how you take it.

And here I was thinking you voted me because you thought I was scum and were withholding your reasons to make a point about how I shouldn't withhold reasons or whatever.

...That's the power of why I withhold votes (as said earlier this game). People imply things. >_>
And no--I'm uncertain to y'all. The list of reads I positioned earlier show a general degree of suspicion, altogether non-arbitrary, but non-ordinal either.

Why are you voting me then? You could've just asked me that stuff. I don't dodge questions.

I think you mean *were.
...I think your laziness is kicking in, to notice where my vote is placed. Me voting you poked on what I saw as really scummy back then.

The what?

I have no idea what you mean by the efficiency of the scumteam.

...Your scumpicks are implied to be lazy and non-commital, judging by the context they were worded in.

I think it's Toaster, Tiruin, and Deus Asmoth.

The last time Toaster did anything was on Day 2. Neither Tiruin's or Deus Asmoth's actions make sense and I don't really buy Deus Asmoth's explanation for his change of opinion about Tiruin.
[...]

So? If they're PMing each other they're probably not both scum, because that's just redundant.

They're not conjoined at the hip so I don't have to question them like they are. At the end of the day they still have different reads, night actions, reasoning, justifications, etc., and I didn't see a problem with Persus13's so I didn't ask him anything.

...Yes. They're probably not both scum (and I doubt anyone would just FakePM each other, or just say they PM'd each other, though its a considerable move in this game on scum-team individuals as an excuse to 'know' what the other side talks about and all)
But my point was, that you made a scumteam out of DA/me and Toaster--with Persus13 being a very valid influence on DA: You have not thrown a question towards that person connected to your suspect, so I find that...questionable.

That's very generous of you to give a player a completely free pass at lylo. Suspiciously generous.

I am not remotely okay with this.

In respect to RL conditions?
The only bit I noted as scummy in him was his post with his vote on me.
Why I didn't ask is due to noticeable differences:
That one scummy bit in question, where I saw as a jump on 'most easily perceived person as scum'; it doesn't help that I'm referring to myself back then. ...And that saying I've nothing to contribute to the discussion too. That hurts a bit, as an aside ._.
He had a note near D3 end but...
He wasn't there to shift his vote or otherwise even speak.
Though I believe my wording was messy--I did not give him a free pass, per se, but...I judged from my notes on him (which...evidently say the same general gist), though it did take in how his attitude and play was for the whole game, and in his activity level--he has asked quite a lot of pertinent and pointedly clarifying questions, as well as addressing people questioning him.

But back to the pertinent question: Why did you not use your power? Yes, its understandable that it would be a choice to 'catch me in my fakeclaim' under the situation where I am assumed to do the kill, but how did that situation overcome pretty much anything else in considering the nightly plan or...basically how you saw it?

[Tiruin]

Of course you didn't receive one Tiruin, you're in the DEFINITELY LYNCH section. >_>
The people I PM'd it to were: Scripten, Cheeetar, Deus, Persus. I was originally going to send it to Jim instead of Cheeetar since I didn't like the way he'd been acting since D3 but NQT didn't want me to Looks like he was right, too.

@Tiruin: It's not only lack of activity that's making NQT condemn you so much, you know, Mrs Anecdotal Evidence.

Yeah UXLZ. Me and NQT are buddy-lovers. ♥
He can condemn me all he wants with his statistical data, but what I'm after is the qualitative data that gives credit to his quantitative measures.

What I'm talking about is his idea, Mr. SnarkyPants. Your snark won't help your gameplay at all, young'in. Your ego is fallible and vulnerable.

Especially #3:

3. Good town players suspect everyone and this translates in how they use their votes. The more unique targets, the less scummy. Scum contrariwise typically like to draw less attention and pursue a narrower range of targets. Toaster & Tiruin are particularly egregious in this regard.

'Good town players' for him. And basically, for everyone--in how it SHOWS.
The problem is that the basis for ME is that I have a notable LACK of posts in D1/2, and somehow the reasoning of me being town is diffused because of that idea, but it does not SOMEHOW factor in the notion that I can actually have reads and notes given the TIME that has passed!
I mean really--NQT is a good source of information, but you aren't really working with it very well, UXLZ.

1. The top poster is almost never scum, the bottom poster is usually either 3rd party, apathetic town, or lurker scum

Or has technical problems. Or RL.
This ideology only revolves around those who are uninhibited in playing the game. EXCLUDING those who have RL worries!

I find it very...amusing, that you--as a living player who still has a vote and thus a DIRECT voice here, UXLZ, did not question NQT on his table of ideas.
Me and Toaster are at the bottom of the table. Did you NOTICE that I did not vote in D1/2? Did you NOTICE how Toaster acted at the end of the later days?
No.
That is not taken into consideration.
That is what I meant by NQT's problem. It is NOT HOLISTIC.

[UXLZ]

Yeah UXLZ. Me and NQT are buddy-lovers. ♥

Err... What on earth are you talking about?

He can condemn me all he wants with his statistical data, but what I'm after is the qualitative data that gives credit to his quantitative measures.

You mean like all those empty air posts you made on D2 complaining about your net?

What I'm talking about is his idea, Mr. SnarkyPants Your snark won't help your gameplay at all, young'in. Your ego is fallible and vulnerable.

And your snide sense of superiority as well as your own personal traits are equally vulnerable and far easier to manipulate. I fail to see your point. I fail to see why I should care.
Hum de hum~ Pushing Rinrin, as far as she goes, where she'll end up, nobody knows!

'Good town players' for him. And basically, for everyone--in how it SHOWS.
The problem is that the basis for ME is that I have a notable LACK of posts in D1/2, and somehow the reasoning of me being town is diffused because of that idea, but it does not SOMEHOW factor in the notion that I can actually have reads and notes given the TIME that has passed!
I mean really--NQT is a good source of information, but you aren't really working with it very well, UXLZ.

In all seriousness, I hope she's one of those people that get more coherent and logical (like me!) the angrier she gets. If she does, this won't be a waste of time trying to rile her.
I have no idea what you're talking about here, if I'm honest. Personally I try to suspect most people until I find someone I want to tunnel on, and I generally don't use my vote unless I have a proper reason to. It lends more weight to it, that way.

Ah, so you're saying that I'm playing badly because I'm suspecting you? Not town-reading you? Using a method that you don't personally agree with? I fail to see how your opinion should have any influence on what I choose to do.
But, let's say I'm open to criticism. What would you do with NQT's info?

Or has technical problems. Or RL.
This ideology only revolves around those who are uninhibited in playing the game. EXCLUDING those who have RL worries!

Or repeatedly make posts saying that they totally can't post anything but all these posts saying that they can't ever seem to pos-Oh, wait. Sorry, those are just the active lurkers. My mistake.

I find it very...amusing, that you--as a living player who still has a vote and thus a DIRECT voice here, UXLZ, did not question NQT on his table of ideas.
Me and Toaster are at the bottom of the table. Did you NOTICE that I did not vote in D1/2? Did you NOTICE how Toaster acted at the end of the later days?
No.
That is not taken into consideration.
That is what I meant by NQT's problem. It is NOT HOLISTIC.

Did you NOTICE who I'm suspecting? Did you NOTICE who I'm voting for? Do you NOTICE where it is currently sitting? Do you NOTICE why it's currently sitting there? Do you UNDERSTAND what I'm telling you?

[Tiruin]

Yeah UXLZ. Me and NQT are buddy-lovers. ♥

Err... What on earth are you talking about?

Adding random unneeded fluff like your snark doesn't help the posts. And by that I don't mean calling me Tiru-chan. That's nice.
But yeah. Just flavor.

You mean like all those empty air posts you made on D2 complaining about your net?

So this makes me scum or is indicative of a scummy note? Come and be direct here with me, and let's drink tea over it, please.
Because I really can't understand how that even factors in here.

And your snide sense of superiority as well as your own personal traits are equally vulnerable and far easier to manipulate. I fail to see your point. I fail to see why I should care.

Or so you think I have.
Not acting superior here, but calling you out on that bit on your attitude. It won't help you in the future, or in the present.

I have no idea what you're talking about here, if I'm honest. Personally I try to suspect most people until I find someone I want to tunnel on, and I generally don't use my vote unless I have a proper reason to. It lends more weight to it, that way.

Ah, so you're saying that I'm playing badly because I'm suspecting you? Not town-reading you? Using a method that you don't personally agree with? I fail to see how your opinion should have any influence on what I choose to do.
But, let's say I'm open to criticism. What would you do with NQT's info?

...Y'know you could cull out the orange part and get the same message across right? Because really--is that even a reasonable question to ask?
And your terms in blue. I get what you're saying but they can be taken really badly there. Better terms exist.

Or repeatedly make posts saying that they totally can't post anything but all these posts saying that they can't ever seem to pos-Oh, wait. Sorry, those are just the active lurkers. My mistake.

The narrowmindedness shows. I forgive you ahead of time.

Did you NOTICE who I'm suspecting? Did you NOTICE who I'm voting for? Do you NOTICE where it is currently sitting? Do you NOTICE why it's currently sitting there? Do you UNDERSTAND what I'm telling you?

And cutting it short like this doesn't help either with a retort of this manner.
Nor...does it connect to anything pertinent in particular in recent events. I was addressing NQT's opinion there.
Your note is on ZU for a relatively...unfinished prod.
You vote him for an assumed OMGUS with lacking impact, other than seemingly the implied OMGUS value. Then hop onto me because I commented on NQT's perception.
Then a lack of making a case on ZU other than brevity-in-exchange of posts.

...It all feels lighthearted, but that's the tip of the iceberg here, but no--I don't exactly understand what you're telling me other than a responsive snark there.

[Mephansteras]

The Whiteboard
zombie urist: Deus Asmoth, Scripten, UXLZ
Persus13: Tiruin
Scripten: zombie urist
Tiruin: Persus13
Toaster: Jim Groovester


Day has been Extended to ~5pm Pacific Wednesday. There are no more extensions available for this day.

[Scripten]

I haven't got a lot of time here due to being in between classes, but I'm noticing a very strange trend.

Tiruin: Have you suspected/voted anybody this game who wasn't suspecting you at the time? Maybe I'm wrong, but it sure seems like you only scumread people when they start voting you or pushing for your lynch. Your analysis at the end of Day 3 was good, but your other actions all game have made me very worried about your alignment.

[Toaster]

I really shouldn't have joined this game.


Deus, Scripten, and UXLZ:  Can you summarize your cases on ZU?  I'm not sure I understand why he's getting the votes he is.


In addition, UXLZ:  If you think Tiruin is so scummy, why aren't you voting her?


Persus:

From what I've seen today, I'd like to see Zombie Urist get lynched as he has really seemed scummy from his posts today, the whole thing about claiming Cheeetar was defending Tiruin when asking for reasons stands out to me because it just happened but a few more things stood out to me as being odd, I just need to go find them again.

What happened to this case?


Jim:  Do you feel that the small chance to catch Tiruin out on the lie was worth giving up the chance on tracking the killer/watching the victim or following Plan A?

[Deus Asmoth]

Jim: Any fishier than you complaining about people not following a plan that you had no intention of following yourself?

Except he did follow his plan.

No he didn't. His plan said that he'd follow someone. He didn't follow anyone, so he didn't follow his plan. Unless you meant the private plan that he shared with no one and that no one would have any reason to believe him about if he did catch someone out.

Toaster: the tone of his posts has seemed odd to me for quite a while, particularly his claim that Jim would have nothing to gain by bussing you and his reactions to Scripten applying pressure to him and his 'justification' for the OMGUS he put on Scripten later on. The initial vote was because of the bussing thing, plus his claim that scum wouldn't be voting during LYLO, which is... odd. Then his claim that he thought that Cheeetar was scum for defending Tiruin and wasting peoples' time by getting them to explain their votes which I can't really see as anything other than an attempt to get towncred by targeting their NK target with his power.

[Toaster]

Deus:  Do you have any examples for issues with his "tone?"

[Deus Asmoth]

It's mostly small things, to be honest, like him thinking Cheeetar was scum for 'defending' Tiruin. I particularly didn't like this one here:

Did you see the thing I quoted? Its subtle, but Cheeetar's discouraging people from voting Tiruin by making them do some extra work and examine their own cases.

Where his case was that Cheeetar was apparently defending Tiruin by getting people to do something they should be doing anyway.

From today alone, there's this stuff:

Sorry Urist but I really can't see that as anything but an OMGUS. The ask for explanation is understandable but the vote is completely unnecessary.

So I can't vote him because he's voting me?

The implication that someone voting for you is an adequate reason for voting for them is bizarre.

So its ok for you to change your opinion but not me.

Petulant and doesn't provide any actual reason for voting for Scripten.

If Jim and I were both scum, why would I be voting today in a probably lylo situation?

Again, the idea that him voting for Jim early in the day means that they must not be on the same team is wrong in a lot of ways, especially considering the shaky reasoning for his vote for Jim in the first place (Jim not switching to Tiruin when ZU tied the vote).

He's also been drawing conclusions out of thin air, like here:

Well one of the people you PM'd must have been scum since Cheeetar was killed last night and he was the top 'town' player according to that spreadsheet.

With no supporting evidence, and with the same certainty as when he said that the only possible scum team was Tiruin, Shakerag and Jim.

There are more posts that make my case better I think, but this is the third time I've done this post and I'm tired, so I'll find them tomorrow.

[Jim Groovester]

I'm not going to think about this game tonight.

[zombie urist]

You conveniently ignored where I did post content. A lot of times I post short posts first and then explain later because of time constraints and if I don't post I'll forget.

Sorry Urist but I really can't see that as anything but an OMGUS. The ask for explanation is understandable but the vote is completely unnecessary.

So I can't vote him because he's voting me?

The implication that someone voting for you is an adequate reason for voting for them is bizarre.

Also you completely misunderstood what I'm saying here. I was going to vote him even if he wasn't voting me.

Jim would have nothing to gain by bussing you [Toaster]

Its true and if you think otherwise please explain how bussing Toaster at that point in the game would be helpful. When Jim first voted Toaster no one else was and he simply could have voted Shakerag because they were about equally lurky.

and his reactions to Scripten applying pressure to him and his 'justification' for the OMGUS he put on Scripten later on.

See above.

plus his claim that scum wouldn't be voting during LYLO, which is... odd.

It looks like you missed the part where I pointed out this was just a typing mistake.

Then his claim that he thought that Cheeetar was scum for defending Tiruin and wasting peoples' time by getting them to explain their votes which I can't really see as anything other than an attempt to get towncred by targeting their NK target with his power.

There was more reasons why I thought Cheeetar was scum. Also the last part is WIFOM.

Well one of the people you PM'd must have been scum since Cheeetar was killed last night and he was the top 'town' player according to that spreadsheet.

What brought about this idea? Cheeetar seems like a high-threat kill to me, given that NQT and Cheeet are very evident kill-targets given how they were doing their thing in the last 2 days.

Why was Cheeetar high threat? IMO he was totally useless D2 and D3 considering how wrong he was about Pisskop. I guess killing him would bring about LYLO faster but that's about it. I'm speculating the reason they killed Cheeetar because if the other people UXLZ PM'd trusted NQT, then Cheeetar would become a nearly confirmed town and that would be bad, especially since Cheeetar is enchanter.

Jim: why did you decide yesterday was a good day for a massclaim?

Scripten needs to respond to the questions in this quote.

UXLZ: should form some of his own opinions. Who do you think are part of the scumteam? What's your opinion on Scripten thinking Tiruin was town yesterday and scum today? What are your thoughts on Persus?

[zombie urist]

For what its worth, my new scumteam is now Jim,Scripten,Persus/UXLZ and I think its Persus rather than UXLZ. Jim voting and backing off of Scripten D2 is too strange. Jim totally forgetting his follow result on mastahcheese is also very unbelievable. I'm tempted to say that Jim is actually a detective who found out Tiruin was a telepath N1 and then fakeclaimed Reporter, but I have no evidence apart from Jim forgetting his result.  I'm kinda torn on Persus/UXLZ. Don't know why Persus would PM Deus if he was scum unless its to build town-cred. UXLZ seems to be relaying out good info about from deadchat, but I can't trust that he isn't subtly changing a few people's names around. If UXLZ were scum, everything relayed from yesterday must have been good information otherwise none of the other players would respond today. Of course UXLZ might be transcribing everything correctly even if he's scum since none of the people in deadchat are correct.

I think Tiruin is town because I can't come up with a good scumteam including her. Tiruin/Toaster/??. Detractors are obviously going to put my name in the blanks but I know I'm town. The last person could be Jim I suppose given how Jim avoided voting her 2 days in a row, but its weak. Tiruin has been arguing too much with UXLZ,Persus,Scripten for her to be on a team with them. It could be Deus Asmoth too, but I doubt it since Toaster just started questioning him.

Deus and Persus can't both be scum because otherwise there would be no reason for them to PM each other, which means at least one of them is town. I'm leaning Deus for now since he did protect last night as confirmed by Tiruin and I don't think Tiruin is scum as said above.

Toaster and Scripten are unlikely to both be scum since Toaster voted Scripten and Scripten got VERY defensive. He's been mostly defensive this entire game which is another reason I'm suspicious of him.

There are other possible teams but I don't think they're as likely, but of course if anyone wants to suggest something go ahead.

As for the night, even if I do get lynched today it might not be game over since I think Toaster is town and thus wouldn't lie about enchanter. So I think both Persus and Deus should protect Toaster. Tiruin should then telepath Persus. I'll block Jim and Scripten gets the lynch.

[Tiruin]

PFP

I haven't got a lot of time here due to being in between classes, but I'm noticing a very strange trend.

Tiruin: Have you suspected/voted anybody this game who wasn't suspecting you at the time? Maybe I'm wrong, but it sure seems like you only scumread people when they start voting you or pushing for your lynch. Your analysis at the end of Day 3 was good, but your other actions all game have made me very worried about your alignment.

Mmm?
Err...no. Its not that they vote me or push for my lynch, but its the context where and what they say and do--like Jim, for example; I voted him back there but shifted my vote because I read him better now. UXLZ has pushed me and I'm annoyed at him (not as a person/player) but he's town to me. So yes, I have suspected people who weren't..suspecting me at the time?
That sounds like they didn't suspect me.
Though, it does seem that way, looking back. I do have mostlyTown reads on a few people present, and not evident by anything in D1/2, seeing that [I lacked being] there. So I guess that's how it seems. My lack of presence and subsequent appearance at D3 onwards equals a gap of guessing how I got my reads and other stuff along the way, having already been developed by the rest of you during that time.

I'm not going to think about this game tonight.

Mmph ._. Chill, kuya. Hope you rest well there.


PPE:

Well one of the people you PM'd must have been scum since Cheeetar was killed last night and he was the top 'town' player according to that spreadsheet.

What brought about this idea? Cheeetar seems like a high-threat kill to me, given that NQT and Cheeet are very evident kill-targets given how they were doing their thing in the last 2 days.

Why was Cheeetar high threat? IMO he was totally useless D2 and D3 considering how wrong he was about Pisskop. I guess killing him would bring about LYLO faster but that's about it. I'm speculating the reason they killed Cheeetar because if the other people UXLZ PM'd trusted NQT, then Cheeetar would become a nearly confirmed town and that would be bad, especially since Cheeetar is enchanter.

Hum...high-threat for me, anyway, in considering his danger and acuity; other than the PMs we exchanged, I did note that the PM plan he suggested, as well as how he valued people as something of a threat to the scum. And of note...many people were wrong about pisskop, not just Cheeetar.

ZU: Is your method of scumhunting at the moment dependent on guessing scumteams or scumhunting individually, then making a team out of your suspects?