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[Jim Groovester]

I think it's Toaster, Tiruin, and Deus Asmoth.

The last time Toaster did anything was on Day 2. Neither Tiruin's or Deus Asmoth's actions make sense and I don't really buy Deus Asmoth's explanation for his change of opinion about Tiruin.

However, her inspect on DA doesn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense.

At this stage in the game I think baffling night actions are something that should be paid a lot of attention.

[Deus Asmoth]

Persus: I felt it was more important to keep someone alive who could definitely provide the town with more information, though Tiruin inspecting me seems somewhat suspect.

ZU: first, why wouldn't you be voting in a lylo situation, regardless of whether you were scum or town? Regarding your idea that Toaster and Jim can't be on the same team, have you come across bussing before?

[zombie urist]

I meant to say "why would I be voting Jim".

Bussing isn't really plausible since Toaster wasn't doing anything particularly scummy and wasn't really in the spotlight so there's little gain to bus him.

[UXLZ]

If Jim and I were both scum, why would I be voting today in a probably lylo situation?

What do you mean 'probably'?
The chance of this actually being LyLo is significantly lower than the chance of it not (37.5%). In fact, the only cases I can see where it is requires Toaster to be scum or there to somehow be a hidden scum Vig or something. Is there something you know that you aren't telling us? for some reason?

[zombie urist]

How did you calculate 37.5%?

Though I suppose its actually MYLO since there are 5 town to 3 scum. A scum vig doesn't get an extra kill for scum btw.

If Jim and I were both scum, why would I be voting today in a probably lylo situation?

All you're really advocating here is that you're on a scumteam with Tiruin. Blatantly.

Please explain your logic here.

[UXLZ]

Yes it does, that's why scum vigs are so dangerous. They can choose to perform their own NK or the Scum Kill, that doesn't mean someone else can't do it.

1 person (Toaster) given 3 chances (x3) = 3/8 = 37.5% Maybe the calculations are off, but there's only one condition where this is actually Lylo.

[Jim Groovester]

If Jim and I were both scum, why would I be voting today in a probably lylo situation?

What do you mean 'probably'?
The chance of this actually being LyLo is significantly lower than the chance of it not (37.5%). In fact, the only cases I can see where it is requires Toaster to be scum or there to somehow be a hidden scum Vig or something. Is there something you know that you aren't telling us? for some reason?

I don't understand why you're arguing this point when whether it's milo or lylo we have to treat it the same since we don't know whether Toaster is scum or not.

Persus: I felt it was more important to keep someone alive who could definitely provide the town with more information, though Tiruin inspecting me seems somewhat suspect.

What happened to worrying about enchanter votes when you chose your night action?

Gosh your night action is fishy.

[UXLZ]

Eh, Urist's wording was a bit off. "Probably" implies a chance above 50% that Toaster is scum, I was merely wondering if he knew something we didn't.

Speaking of fishy night actions, Jim, we've had a hell of a lot of them. Yours, ZU's, Tiruin's. Is there someone who doesn't have a fishy night-action?
Persus? Actually, sorry if I missed it but who did Persus actually guard?

[Scripten]

I think it's Toaster, Tiruin, and Deus Asmoth.

The last time Toaster did anything was on Day 2. Neither Tiruin's or Deus Asmoth's actions make sense and I don't really buy Deus Asmoth's explanation for his change of opinion about Tiruin.

Why are you not worried about my 180 on Tiruin read?

However, her inspect on DA doesn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense.

At this stage in the game I think baffling night actions are something that should be paid a lot of attention.

I can see it being weirdly paranoid town. I don't see the potential scum motivation behind it, though.

[Scripten]

Please explain your logic here.

If Jim isn't scum, then Tiruin is the next most likely candidate in my book. Considering your relationship with her this game, this feels like either buddying/white-knighting or blatant defense of a scumbuddy.

[Deus Asmoth]

Jim: Any fishier than you complaining about people not following a plan that you had no intention of following yourself? And yes, I did consider the worry of losing two votes from one death, but I also considered the fact that Cheeetar was on all three mislynches this game, so I figured the scum would be more likely to leave him alive and try to get him to lynch another townie. I didn't protect Toaster because he also seemed like a bad night kill choice, plus he hasn't been doing a lot lately.

ZU:

Bussing isn't really plausible since Toaster wasn't doing anything particularly scummy and wasn't really in the spotlight so there's little gain to bus him.

Well, there's the gain of dissociating them in the case of either of them getting lynched later on in the future. Plus he was in the spotlight enough to nearly get lynched on day 3, so I'm not sure you've got much of a point there in any case.

[zombie urist]

Tiruin's play at the end of the last day phase felt town

Please explain your logic here.

If Jim isn't scum, then Tiruin is the next most likely candidate in my book. Considering your relationship with her this game, this feels like either buddying/white-knighting or blatant defense of a scumbuddy.

Good job Scripten. Please explain in detail how my relationship with her, considering that I voted for her and tied the vote, is buddying/whit-knighting/blatant defense.

[UXLZ]

Sorry Urist but I really can't see that as anything but an OMGUS. The ask for explanation is understandable but the vote is completely unnecessary.

[Tiruin]

Woooaaah, hold the thought, Persus13. That's quite a leap of logic there.

For some reason--I'm still being listed as a scumpick for some people despite the only prior evidence to me is either in night-action planning or otherwise. All those who're suspecting me, please state the reason why (ie JIM).

As for you, Persus. There's quite a large bit of jumping to conclusions there.

The above leads me to conclude that a ZU-Tiruin-someone else (probably DA) scumteam where Tiruin did the kill last night. Tiruin and ZU both voting Jim when no one else is voting cements this impression. If you are town, please vote, today is probably our last chance to win this one.

If I was scum with ZU--I would've gone for the Scripten Kill due to him claiming a War Vet. Somehow, you don't take this into account in creating your suspect list, and somehow given your list of speculation, you're coming up with a scumteam where this would be possible.

Query for you: How did your speculations deduct such an idea from its list of priority?
What leaves out certain other people here? Like Toaster, Jim or ZU (as tied with any other people there)?
Why am I a priority vote target compared to anyone else? Is your basis for DA being town somewhat higher than my speculation to pick him as an inspect target? Why?

[Mephansteras]

The Whiteboard
zombie urist: Deus Asmoth, Scripten, UXLZ
Persus13: Tiruin
Scripten: zombie urist
Tiruin: Persus13
Toaster: Jim Groovester


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