Also, Tiruin, before I begin responding, I'd like to mention that throughout your response I've seen a lot of points with you trying to evoke an emotional response (in either me or others.)
You seem to like to argue against points using feelings (like 'you're mean!') rather than logically
refuting them. Please stop dying that, it's rather irritating. It leads to me thinking my points are still valid (because you haven't countered them) and you being under the mistaken illusion that I'm attacking you because I hate you or something ridiculous like that (hint: It's because my points haven't been countered.)
...'Sorry ZU'?
What is this happenstance of wording, UXLZ?
Er, I was apologizing for having a crappy vote on him? It was an overreaction to a perceived OMGUS. It may come as a surprise, but I don't like voting for people without fairly good reasons to.
Social pressure looks like it makes you identify towards what others say rather than who you know you are. Huh.
...Very, very intriguing.
That was a joke, Tiruin.
Err...
I think you mixed up your...ordinal relativity there. That, or you should've formatted the spoiler above the list--and indicated that its something previous.
Because its a bit hard to follow given this.
*looks at spoiler for reasons
If that's the case, my apologies.
OH COME ON.
After EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED, you STILL somehow find it a REASONABLE idea to even make that some kind of basis?!
Man...that's real low. -_-
I've explained this before, but as you seem to have failed to understand I shall do so again. It's not the
lack of activity in and of itself (
that can be excused), it's the
nature of the activity that was actually there. You know, lots of posts complaining about how you couldn't post, responding to varied people questioning people about of your lack of activity by claiming that you couldn't read stuff... That you were obviously reading...
Claiming that the 'contentful' posts got swallowed (while the ones without any content 'miraculously' made it through...)
...So other than what I see as a lazy interpretation, how come you haven't ever questioned me or quoted and indicated...any significant inquest on my acts.
Because they had honestly mostly slipped passed my notice until today. I was getting altogether far too distracted by the 'argument' we were having earlier (in regards to you), and for that I feel I must apologize. I wasn't paying attention to what you were actually doing.
...Because for some reason, you're still going on the unrefutable argument of 'OOOOOOO ACTIVE LURKING' rather than see my defense IRL talking about technical difficulties.
That'd be real low for you as scum; you did acknowledge that earlier, but here?
Right... Because my
only argument is the active lurking. Wait...
And what do you mean by 'irrefutable argument'? An irrefutable argument is usually something like 'There is an immaterial, omnipotent, omniscient pink unicorn living in my shed. It never lets its presence be known to anyone.'
That is the essence of an irrefutable argument, in this case you
should be able to refute it by going 'hey, look, I wasn't active lurking'. However, apparently you can't, so what you seem to be saying is that I'm somehow
wrong for using an argument that's
right?
Also, what do you mean 'real low'?
...Until now, which somehow seems to be a conclusive deliverance until after voting ZU on...
Your bit of OMGUS
This makes utterly no sense to me. Please reiterate.
So what does this tell? You think something that was said in the first draft, which doesn't exist in the final post now, aren't 'too major'?
No, I think they were important. I just couldn't rewrite them at the time time because I had class to go to. I can't even really rewrite them not because I can't perfectly remember what I said, but I'll attempt to. Did you miss the 'just yet' in part of the paragraph you omitted, implying I'd be doing so later?
I'm heavily questioning your credibility of scumhunting here. One bit is your note on ZU. I could see reasoning in your vote on him, but it seems invariably discontinued to somehow still end in the conclusion of OMGUS.
These usually tell a lack of reads or a lack of substance into the effort one puts into their votes and in interacting with others--why is there a lacking directness of all this, and instead that label below?
It was more along the lines that I decided the OMGUS + all the other stuff wasn't major enough to continue justifying the vote of ZU over
you. I didn't even realise until that
very post just how scummy your actions actually were. It's amazing what you can hide behind obfuscation and emoticon spam, it seems.
Ooooo, very impactful note there.
Got proof? It's strange that you can come up with such high allegations, and yet lack the quote which would deliver the hammer-blow to make them tangible.
That case is my mistake. I was under the impression that you were still voting for Scripten, and couldn't check the tracker due it being blocked on the school network.
And did you note the tone of 'that person's' allegations towards me being solely out of speculation and guesswork?
Then forming a whole team out of it without bothering to ask on why I or DA even made such a work towards that?
Look at this from another viewpoint--that person is DA'S ASSOCIATE IN HIS DECISION OF HIS NIGHT ACTION, and SOMEHOW he can still pair DA up with me because of what we both claimed today; all without asking towards what in the world happened.
Because it seems that speculation can come up with an incredibly conclusive detail of who the scum are, given my action. I mean really--not even the simple question of asking why I did what I did, ever came up by him. And you, for that matter--though for some reason, you're not putting 'dubious night activity' as a reason on why you think I'm scum.
Still thought I was talking about Scripten there. I'll be reading over Persus' recent posts since ZU asked me to anyway, so I'll respond to this stuff at that point anyway.
Detail your thoughts on my night action, UXLZ.
Sure: Deus is the WORST POSSIBLE CHOICE YOU COULD HAVE MADE (assuming you aren't fakeclaiming). He's been practically confirmed town this entire game, and he's got an ability that's almost guaranteed to be using
regardless of what alignment he is. He's an excellent choice for a fake target though, since there's a 0% chance that town!Deus wouldn't use his ability, and an almost 0% chance that scum!Deus would use it either (in case you're somehow magically a third party or something.)
So, my thoughts are this: Your choice was terrible if you're town looking to find stuff out, and good if you're fakeclaiming the results.
Actually, sorry, the worst possible choice you could have made was Scripten, since choosing Deus at least offers the possibility that you were well-intentioned.
...This doesn't help muchwhen you're lacking detail on why its reasonable here.
It's reasonable because your way of speaking and posts are indeed incredibly obfuscating. It could possibly be a personal problem where it's just me who finds your posts to be that way but I'll need someone
other than you to refute this one. Understand?
..And NQT's analysis has credence here because?
He OR you have not addressed my corrections towards his analysis, given how you seem to be buying in towards his method of scumhunting, and somehow lacking your own (as said before, its like you're doing secondary work, using his primary effort).
Because he's a highly respected player who knows what he's doing and is also confirmed town?
Weren't your corrections something along the lines of 'You aren't taking my feelings into account waa waa', or did I miss something?
Erm, what's wrong with agreeing with NQT's method of scumhunting? You seem to dislike it quite intensely when people don't do things like you want them to.
If it seems like I'm lacking a style it's probably because
I don't have one. This is my second game of forum mafia so I'm still unsure as to what 'method' I like most, whether that be the up-close-and-personal thing that Scripten apparently does, Jim's provocation or NQT's objective analysis. Maybe, can we just try and think for a second, that it's possible for someone to
have multiple styles?*gasp*
It's shocking, I know, that people don't always have to do everything exactly the same every time.
Next, the last part isn't that stable. I have pushed on many, many people--and it seems that you're taking the idea of my VOTE PLACEMENT as the people 'I've pushed on' to be the only thing that matters (or the thing that matters more).
This is why I said information about how my playstyle is earlier in this game. I am under the expectation that people would be at least accurate in judging my D1/2 by that manner, because anything otherwise is undefendable due to it being their opinion.
I mean really. Try defending against, not an accusation, but an allegation that you've been active lurking especially when you did state your reason on why you've been acting that way for 2 whole in-game days. I did note a very pertinent note early-in-game.
Somehow, for someone who can easily judge my efforts in D1/D2 with a really low level of analysis, can miss that.
That's... Kind of because your vote placement
is more important. Because it's concrete and not based on guesswork and interpretation.
That's a meta-call that I don't plan on making. I don't know what your playstyle is, and I don't really care. Playstyles don't really matter because they should be quite varied.
Except, as I've said before, I'm not attacking you for
lack of activity, I'm attacking you for
activity while claiming lack of activity. At several points you made fairly large posts doing nothing but saying 'hey gaiz, my net's bad, so I can't post anything - oh, except for these multitude of posts explaining that I can't post anything.'
Do understand that I'm not saying your net
wasn't screwing you over. I'm saying that despite having the opportunity to provide at least a tinsy tiny bit of content while it was doing so, you chose not to. Hell, you had to be screamed at to even commit to a vote towards the end of
day 2, and a lot of the stuff you promised earlier on as 'coming in a little bit' took
days to actually arrive. In-game days, that is. Real life time it was probably weeks.
Tell me, are you really and primarily listening to NQT, or are you judging by a chart he gives? If the former was done, NQT would at least be formal enough to mention his viewpoint on my activity, as seen in the PM below.
Err... Both?
I haven't been able to have much correspondence with NQT since our timezones don't match up. I've asked him for his input on this argument, to refute either your arguments
or mine (so I won't be not posting it if he says I'm wrong somewhere, since it's important to have all the information out in the open.) but it's anyone's guess as to whether he'll be able to reply before the end of today.
Right, so it took you several in-game warnings and a PM to convince you stop posting needless prattle? Somehow that's supposed to convince me of... Something?
...You did notice that I'm voting Persus, who hasn't replied yet, right?
This kind of allegation really brings up the idea that...you aren't that updated.
Obviously not. I'm not so stupid as to lie to try and incriminate you; that would be distasteful anyway.
I didn't have access to the tracker so I didn't know where your vote was sitting. I was assuming it was either on Scripten or null.
you seriously think the scumteam is apt on lurking, UXLZ?
You are seemingly purely after those who are showing lower levels of activity, rather than even talking to those who are 'on the crest of the wave', so to speak.
Err... What? Apt on lurking? What does that mean? I've got maybe a hazy idea of what you're trying to say, but it's very unclear.
Also, if I'm 'purely after low activity guys', then why was I previously after ZU...? I wouldn't consider him as having low activity. Probably in the top half at the moment, to be honest.