Tiruin:TWS: You missed a whole lot of my question and answered the superficial parts.
Sorry. You mean these?
Firstly, you aren't proving anything by saying 'I believe she's lying' by just stating it out. There must be conclusive evidence in proving someone out on a lie. I'm currently near the top of your scum-list, WHY.
Do I really need to explain why I think you're lying again? I'll quote myself:
I think Tiruin is lying. The reason for this is that she did not mention the questions she said she forgot to post a single time, even though she said TolyK missing those questions was her main reason for voting him. I see no evidence to her having made those questions.
As you've seen, or probably derived, I've nothing to gain from lying at all - are you acting upon the idea of lying as defined in the BM or something else?
Does lying have a different definition in a BM than elsewhere? Lying = saying something that is not true.
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Also, why are you asking such? Claimed actions? What's your intention.
Fair enough. The question's purpose? The same as all questions; to try to reveal something scummy. This was my followup question. Why this question? Because a lot of people have claimed at least one action, and information is beneficial to town.
Uh huh. Judging by your intention, how would you reveal something scummy?
I'm not quite sure how to answer this question. You keep asking me to pressure you, to ask you questions. What's wrong with this one? I don't have a definite "this answer means Tiruin is scum" idea, but thought there was a chance.
Oh yes. I'm now your top pick, huh. Something made it rise? I think not, given your abstinence of saying why, or expounding on how I'm scummier than your pick before. Oh look at that, you missed me asking you of how you define lying -- not much there was for you to do but miss that question or evade it entirely, huh.
No, nothing made it rise, but my reads of others who I was suspicious of solidified(mostly Vector). I said "near the top" as a vague statement because my order of scumminess was vague. Not sure what you mean by the last part.
The only reasons on your case on me was lying. Why? Because of a post I missed. Because its in the past, and that you're deflecting on reason of 'because I stated such and such before so I don't have to repost it now.' I mean, can't you at least refine your posts (and use the correct pronouns for one)? So that means nothing's changed right?
You want me to restate all my arguments again? That's fine, but I get a bit tired of saying and re-saying stuff.
I feel like it's a bad thing to attribute my bad posts to tiredness and lack of time all the time, but that's definitely a factor. What do you mean about pronouns? Nothings changed? You mean relating to my case on you? Well, you haven't really said anything to make me believe you didn't lie. The only thing that made me question it was something I brought up, and you were quick to capitalize on it.
Given that your whole case on me is lying. Something of which:
> Already has the post in question down.
> Speaks about a one-time situation @ D1.
> In regard to such, speaks of me as town if not for that presumption of lying...which actually is moot given the context.
> Has not yet been defined and only inferred from the meaning of lying.
My case is lying? How?
First point: No idea what you mean.
Second point: You mean speaking about the situation in D1 that was the entire basis of my case on you? You bet I'll bring that up.
Third point: Why moot? And I've already said, not all facets of somebody's play have to be scummy for that person to be scummy. I know you're capable of playing a good scum game.
Fourth point: Yeah, I missed it.
Dodge me more, sheep. That wasn't me 'dismissing' it, it was me addressing it in all its entirety. I talked about it. What I meant there was that there was nothing mentioned to TolyK though I thought I mentioned it to TolyK.
And to the question of that was all in it - that sounded more like "Was that the complete information?". Unsure how the singular-plural thing goes but that's how I thought it...
Meaning: I was aiming at the intention of your question there, but still you use this case as your sword against me.
You said the part regarding TolyK hadn't gone through in any of your posts. Later, you gave one post. It's pretty simple. Since I'm not really understanding you here, can you say concisely why that shouldn't be conclusive?
Do me a favor, expound on the bolded part in this spoiler.
I gave up my first heavy suspicion when convinced off it by Ford. I don't want that to happen again. I don't want to give up my case, even though others aren't buying it.
Griff:As I've said before, I didn't actually believe he was a jester, but was interested in his response. I just take the entire quote because it's easier than surgically removing the parts that are most important. The jester stuff is pretty inconsequential in my vote.
If I may, I'd like to do just that (that is remove all mention of the jester role); please feel free to replace this with your own edit if this causes me to further misinterpret your case:Zombie Urist: I really hope you're not a jester. You're acting scummy enough, though. You come out with a vote on Griffionday with absolutely no reasoning behind it, then when asked to present your case you switch it. You've been noncommittal the entire game. What is your reasoning for this? Also, you missed my question:
Zombie Urist: Are you a jester?
Zombie Urist: You're acting scummy enough, though. You come out with a vote on Griffionday with absolutely no reasoning behind it, then when asked to present your case you switch it. You've been noncommittal the entire game. What is your reasoning for this?
So this was a fairly last minute read on your part? It sounds like your case is based around the weird voting he did the end of D2. In other words you DIDN'T have much of a case on him leading into it, just his weird vote. However if we go look at the post record we note that your "Are you a jester?" comment was much before then; but you don't present a case with that post....
A couple posts earlier still you gave use this:
Zombie Urist: If Tiruin isn't scum then ZU probably is, seeing as he jumped on the Tiruin (bandwagon? Not sure if it was or not) soon enough. His favourite word seems to be "meh." I don't remember this kind of apathy from him in previous games I've read.
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Despite not giving reasons for his reads, his top four scumpicks just happen to also be the four people with the most votes for them, excluding himself. Some sort of mass bandwagon going on here, maybe?
Ignoring the meta arguments (including the votes), we have two actual reasons for suspicion: divisiveness of other's prods on him, and a potential bandwagon. But when I asked about your case you entirely forgot the bandwagoning thing, but left that his votes didn't match. I'm sorry, but that's a bullshit reason: how is agreeing for the most part on who seems scummy with the exceptions of where you are personally poking at all a scum tell? Also; how do you pay enough attention to the votes to be able to say that his reads are suspicious because they match who is being voted for at the time but not enough to know you were hammering?
Do you wish to explain again WHY you voted for Zombie Urist?
Why ignore meta arguments? That was a big reason. That's like saying about me, "well, if you ignore his hammer, he's not scummy at all!"
The reads correlating to scumpicks? It's the same thing as bandwagoning, but on a mass scale. It allows him to blend in. I mean, when someone lays down a bandwagon vote, you don't say, "well, it's not scummy since he agrees with the majority opinion".
Sorry, not enough time to compile my argument for ZU. There was someone who compiled everyone's cases on ZU, though, right? It should be there.(I'm rushing now)
Tiruin - Explained above. Suspeced lying, etc.
Could you expand that etc. a bit?
Well, the minimalizing of my case, for one. That stuff wasn't all that important, which is why I didn't name it outright. Maybe I shouldn't have put the "etc." there, but whatever.
And that's all I have time for. I'll answer the rest and ask some questions some other time. Sorry if I missed some stuff; please point it out if I did.
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