I hate these walls of text. My wording might be off in some places, as I wrote this in several stages.
TolyK:
So N1 - NQT; N2 - TWS; you can multi-antidote...Day action. Interesting.
So that means your vote on TWS is mostly pressure as you hold the keys to his demise, huh.
Tell me. Is your antidote a PM-the-Mod type which activates it upon PM, or do you PM him once, and then it takes effect. Does it take effect at day end or upon PM (pre-day end)?
Because you're being vague and dismissive of one point. Griffy's question here, bud.
(See below)
It works like a normal day action - I PM Wuba who to save, and that's it.
I take it that it activates as soon as he gets the PM, though I should ask him about it.
Aren't you our resident arsonist? I highly doubt that there would be more than one person whit a primed kill in the game.
On that note: if you die, will the people you poisoned die as well? If so please tell me you didn't target anyone last night, as now the scum just have to off you to get a triple kill.
I have already answered this, though if you want I can say it again.
I'm not an arsonist, I'm a poisoner. If I die, the people I poisoned will die unless I specifically prevent it.
I really should joke less. 
And you should try answering for once with a straight post. FOR ONCE. Unlike in D1 - your attitude has become lax and carefree. Care to explain that?
Because your joking mood does not help.
I always try to be cheerful. I don't remember what was different with D1. Sorry 'bout that, though.
And why I asked whether anybody did anything on me: I wanted to know if any town person redirected me. Why? I don't want folks to die unless they're scummy, and I want to know who to save near day end. 
At least here, this explains that you've got two distinct actions and that you should name and choose your antidote-receiver.
However. Funny thing?
Q: Can't scum just kill you and, with you, two (or even 3, if lovers) more people?
A: Nope, I made sure before the end of N1.
Oh so now we've another day action which does something funny, huh. Or something working in tandem with you poisoning NQT. Because 'before end'.
I don't get what you're asking. I asked Wuba about my role, and got an answer, and so I felt it was okay to do.
EBWOP:
Q: Will you poison next night?
A: I don't know yet, probably not, unless someone does something really silly today.
Q: Are you out of your mind?
A: Maybe, but I don't think so.
Probably? Just like you did TWS because of boredom?
The second line -- joke ain't helping, bro. Answer it straight. And by that I mean answer straight, not that specific question I'm addressing so that you won't squiggle out of this.
... What? As I understand your last sentence...
"Probably" means "not likely, considering the current state of things, but if they change my answer might change.
And I did not poison TWS out of boredom. I poisoned him due to his quick and fairly unbased hammer.
Why did I poison someone else this day? Nothing better to do.
Can't scum kill me and get a triple kill? No, I've got a safeguard against that.
Query: was this answered before on if TolyK dies? Searched using the search engine, nothing came up on 'If TolyK dies, then his targets also die for lack of antidote'.
Why would you search for such a specific phrase? That's irrational.
The best part was "I really hope you're a jester..." when he really should've been saying "I really hope you're scum"
Why that, TWS? No time for others to think? Meh.
Zombie Urist: I really hope you're not a jester. You're acting scummy enough, though.
This is the quote you're operating off of, in my understanding. This is... a really, really lazy misquote. If you were suspicious because of the hammer, why not mention that you were suspicious because of the hammer? Instead, you misquote and give information we later discover to be bad...
Yes, he said similar stuff before that, as well.
And that was a quick post. And people talked about the hammer right before that.
What information do we discover to be bad?
After all, you yourself said:
If he wasn't scummy enough to lynch, why were four other people voting him?
. . . After all, you seem to really enjoy bandwagoning.
Horseshit. You misquoted TheWetSheep as the reason for your vote and then quote me saying something unrelated? This "argument" is so full of holes I could drive an SUV through it >:I
What you say is related, since it is YOU pointing out that TWS "enjoys bandwagoning", on the lynch of ZU, which is TOTALLY related. I agree that I either read or remembered that incorrectly, however the point that he did indeed hammer without letting people say anything still stands.
Tolyk: That role seems to have a lot of parallels to an Arsonist. Is there a reason you didn't claim the failsafe mechanism? (a yes or no will do here)
When did I not claim the "failsafe mechanism"? I'll take that you mean at any time (up until the point that I did claim).
I wanted to see who would vote for me to try and kill NQT as well. Not the case, though.
TolyK:
A couple things about your use of your ability concern me.
1: You are essentially able to cause a lynch vote on your own, and yet you target people who everyone is already focused on rather than tunneling your fainter reads to force them to crack after all you essentially have the ultimate pressure vote. This feels a bit like you're trying to get town's approval of your actions rather than doing your own scum hunting. Why the search for approval?
2: This:Q: Will you poison next night?
A: I don't know yet, probably not, unless someone does something really silly today.
Uh... what? There doesn't seem to be any downside to using your ability; why not just use it to crack someone who you feel is being dodgy?
3: Then there's the whole issue of why you, a claimed vig before last night, aren't dead. WIFOM possibly?
1.This logic is flawed, in that I poison people BEFORE day start. N1 I used it to get needed info out of NQT (both direct info and other things), he might've got something as well. N2 I used it on TWS because he was my /main suspect/. I voted him to see his reaction. I hadn't actually read any of the posts before that as I was short on time.
2. There's the chance that scum will really want to either redirect me this night (which can make someone accidentally die next day), or flat out kill me, in which case I need to be sure of folks not dying.
3. I don't know. Protect, redirect, or smart scum? I won't try to guess which.
Tolyk:For the sake of the town, i hope this doesn't kill a bunch of people. I just can't trust you. Your logic is flawed, you've poisoned those who were going to be under heavy questioning anyway, and you have yet to ask people questions. Yes you said your too busy answering them yourself but really, you couldn't fit any in during your wall of text?
"For the sake of the town" is such a cliche phrase. You really want to seem like you're townie townie townie. Correct?
About your questions and comments...
a) as I already said,
I poisoned at night, before anybody goes under heavy questioning, about TWS.
b) I could, which I try to do. I'm sorry I disappointed your question-savoring part.
Tiruin
TolyK can hammer? How?
He can't; well, no more than I can. What I meant is that he is capable of offing someone at the end of the day even if no-one is voting them. This translates in my mind to a LOT of available pressure on his part, as he can effectively say: "Even if no-one else agrees with me entirely, you will be lynched at the end of the day if you don't satisfy me that you're town." Does that make more sense?
Thank you for explaining.
But yeah, TheWetSheep is totally scum and you should all be voting for him.
Back on D1, after a back and forth with Zrk2, Sheep finally votes him. He leaves that vote on for a while, without pressuring much else too hard. But as soon as a fourth vote lands on Zrk2 and he's in line to get lynched, Sheep then unvotes him and begins tunneling Tiruin. This is a classic distancing move, where Sheep separates himself from Zrk2 then backs off when the heat falls on him.
D2 he just tunnels Tiruin to extreme lengths, until after the modkills. He votes back on Tiruin, then moves to Zombie Urist to break the tie. He's confused about the deadline here, but the confusion isn't relevant to his alignment. It does, however, show him voting for ZU for really contrived reasons (he said that ZU's scumlist was similar to the people who have votes on them.) Interestingly, after I point out his deadline mistake, he doesn't revote Tiruin, despite Tiruin ostensibly being his top scum pick.
This is around the point I finally read over Zrk2's interactions and realize that Sheep is scum. I voted him on a simple vote to provoke a reaction, but I'm already convinced.
Then he hammers ZU with a crap vote. He throws the Jester card and hammers him anyway. This is a bullshit sandwich with extra lie-mustard. He was already scum, but this just seals the deal.
He is scum, and I would say he should be lynched immediately, but...
... yep. I didn't say anything about this myself, but I agree with this logic. However, I'm still unsure what to do with him.
TolyK:
Although I didn't really want to say this until a bit later, I poisoned TheWetSheep last night due to that hammer vote (which felt really off).
I plan on antidoting NQT this day as well, possibly TWS if we get a concensus on that.
Good call, because he's totally scum and needs to die. However, antidoting him would be silly, scummy, and stupid. Let me know what you decide so I can go pursue someone else if he's doomed.
Hm. I don't know. You should go "pursue someone else", since in the end you can still vote for him if you want.
Why are you asking me "permission" to do that, though?
Why did I poison someone else this day? Nothing better to do.
...Why would you even say this?
Jokes. Although, they seem to be what got me into this mess, so I'm laying off them for now.
Tiruin:
a) Tolyk said he has a fail-safe if he dies so people can't just kill him to get rid of a ton of us.
b) If this is true than its okay to lynch him.
c) Also, Just because he can hold killing others over our heads, doesn't mean we shouldn't kill him if he is being scummy, I see no problem with lynching him for his scumminess if it brings us down to 1 scum.
I'll agree with Griff, EXTEND. We need another day atleast.
Extends are in bold, btw.
a) Basically, yes.
b) I wouldn't say so, but I guess it's your call.
c) How are you sure we had 3 scum in the beginning?
Do you have any arguments yourself, or are you using others' arguments?
That reminds me.
Why did I make a theory if I don't use it later?
And
Extend
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