Tiruin:Tiruin: I expected something like this. I know it was a poorly placed vote, but you're currently near the top of my scum-list now, and I wanted to get my vote back on you.[...]
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I'll get back to you on the top part. I don't have time to go digging for examples now.
For the bottom part, if I were to discard my beliefs about you being lying back there, I would think you were town. Since I started to question whether you were lying or not, my suspicion of you went down too. Also, I was preoccupied with the three votes on me. Not a good reason, I know, but the truth.
Oh really now TWS. You going to flail harder?
Firstly, you aren't proving anything by saying 'I believe she's lying' by just stating it out. There must be conclusive evidence in proving someone out on a lie. I'm currently near the top of your scum-list, WHY. Because this now really feels like you're just gliding throughout the day being unsure or giving weak reasons for your vote on people. That, or you're not paying enough attention in the thread due to RL fatigue...
Still, I'm done playing the newbie card on you and while you seemingly rank town here, I'm in a state of 'What are you doing' given how you're scumhunting...anyone, actually.
So tell me, what have you come up with in that scum-list. Could I request you list that list? Who's at the top, if I'm near the top given that you unvoted...everyone else?
Secondly, your sentence after your vote = I 'think' I'll return my vote to you because I still 'THINK' you may have been lying.
So what (given our opinions clash)? As you've seen, or probably derived, I've nothing to gain from lying at all - are you acting upon the idea of lying as defined in the BM or something else? What makes me lying here, mark me as scum in that context.
And can you please be more... definitive? Please?
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Also, why are you asking such? Claimed actions? What's your intention.
Fair enough. The question's purpose? The same as all questions; to try to reveal something scummy. This was my followup question. Why this question? Because a lot of people have claimed at least one action, and information is beneficial to town.
Uh huh. Judging by your intention, how would you reveal something scummy?
First of all, can you define flailing? I think I know what you mean, but I'd like your definition.
That, or you're not paying enough attention in the thread due to RL fatigue...
This. I was feeling pretty out of it this weekend, and lacked the motivation to really comb through the thread or make nice, proofread posts.
Firstly, you aren't proving anything by saying 'I believe she's lying' by just stating it out. There must be conclusive evidence in proving someone out on a lie. I'm currently near the top of your scum-list, WHY.
I stated my reasons when I was first making my case on you. I didn't want to restate it all, because I was rushed and thought it would be unnecessary. I'll admit, I don't see the motive that much, but this is one of the biggest things that makes me think you're lying:
TWS:... Now I get where you're coming from.
And it's only now I realize that my part regarding TolyK didn't send in in any of those posts in between the link and the second-ish vote. :/ My mind was thinking that I did reply to TolyK, and then got caught up with the things in between the post after that and everything in between...
Any. Posts. Plural. But when I ask her for what I called a "Phantom Post", singular, she gives me one post.
I didn't talk about this too much at the time, because you dismissed it, and I didn't really see where else I could go with it.
...And I'm damned because of semantics >_>
I'm not going to let go of this case for now, because my initial suspicion of Zrk2 was correct, but I was convinced to switch my vote by Ford. I don't want that to happen again.
So what (given our opinions clash)? As you've seen, or probably derived, I've nothing to gain from lying at all - are you acting upon the idea of lying as defined in the BM or something else? What makes me lying here, mark me as scum in that context.
You as scum would have a little bit to gain(you said you had indicated your suspicion of TolyK before, but you hadn't. If this was just a misjudgement on your part, saying you had forgotten to send in your post would have been a lot less scummy, and I was already suspicious of you), whereas I can't see a Towny doing that.
Secondly, your sentence after your vote = I 'think' I'll return my vote to you because I still 'THINK' you may have been lying.
So? It's semantics. I can see it looks like I'm afraid to commit to something, but that's what I'm like. Do those 'think's matter at all?
So tell me, what have you come up with in that scum-list. Could I request you list that list? Who's at the top, if I'm near the top given that you unvoted...everyone else?
Sure. I don't have many solid reads, though. From scum to town:
Tiruin - Explained above. Suspeced lying, etc.
TolyK - See below.
Vector? - Don't know if she should be here. Having trouble pinning her down, but gut says scummy.
Hapah - Seems to be activelurking slightly. Griffionday brought up a good point. Close to neutral.
Toaster - Basically neutral
NQT - Confirmed by Ranger, who I trust quite a bit. Haven't seen much suspicious from him.
RangerCado - Strange claims, but from his play I can't see him being scum.
Griffionday - Town. Hunts well, has made very few mistakes.
I find it strange.
TWS double votes and double unvotes, unconfirmed by any votecount existing other than being flavor...
Are you even telling the truth about your double vote TWS, or just leading us on with something which you're not effectively using as of the moment?
I certainly can doublevote. The problem with your argument is that I don't know when votecounts are coming.
Toaster:Back on D1, after a back and forth with Zrk2, Sheep finally votes him. He leaves that vote on for a while, without pressuring much else too hard. But as soon as a fourth vote lands on Zrk2 and he's in line to get lynched, Sheep then unvotes him and begins tunneling Tiruin. This is a classic distancing move, where Sheep separates himself from Zrk2 then backs off when the heat falls on him.
I don't know what I can say to defend myself from this, since it deals with factual vote placement. I will say, though, that I unvoted Zrk because I found Tiruin incredibly scummy at that point, as can be seen by my tunneling of him.
D2 he just tunnels Tiruin to extreme lengths, until after the modkills. He votes back on Tiruin, then moves to Zombie Urist to break the tie. He's confused about the deadline here, but the confusion isn't relevant to his alignment. It does, however, show him voting for ZU for really contrived reasons (he said that ZU's scumlist was similar to the people who have votes on them.) Interestingly, after I point out his deadline mistake, he doesn't revote Tiruin, despite Tiruin ostensibly being his top scum pick.
I left it unvoted because I was going for a few days. Is that less preferable to leaving a vote on someone while you're gone?
Really contrived reasons? That wasn't my only reason for voting him.
Zombie Urist: If Tiruin isn't scum then ZU probably is, seeing as he jumped on the Tiruin (bandwagon? Not sure if it was or not) soon enough. His favourite word seems to be "meh." I don't remember this kind of apathy from him in previous games I've read.
Also, I wanted to avoid the no-lynch I thought was going to occur, which was the biggest reason for changing my vote.
Then he hammers ZU with a crap vote. He throws the Jester card and hammers him anyway. This is a bullshit sandwich with extra lie-mustard. He was already scum, but this just seals the deal.
Your case on me is a crap case. No, I'm not going to give any reasoning for why it is. I'll just say it's a crap case, and it should be good enough for people, right? Granted, there's not much wording around that vote, but that's not the only place I showed my suspicion. Also, it had a whole lot more reasoning than your previous two votes for me.
I already explained the jester part. I didn't think he actually was one, but was interested in his response anyway.
I'll ask you what I asked Vector: Do you believe me when I say I didn't hammer on purpose?
NQT:Are you going to use your double-vote to force a tie at the last moment?
No. That would most likely just get me lynched the next day, or sooner, not saved by TolyK. Also, tie the vote with who? Or is this a hypothetical situation?
(I wouldn't vote someone I didn't think was scum just to keep myself from being lynched, like some parties who will go unnamed
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Sheep:
I see jesters as slightly anti-town, they add a smokescreen to the game that confuses scum hunting until they are offed. As such as town I don't mind killing a jester; I mean why not? You can't really ignore them until they flip so killing them quickly and getting on to the dangerous scum seems to be the normal way to act. Sure they win, but it's highly unlikely that town will lose because of this.
On the other hand, I feel scum have a vested interest in keeping a joker alive as long as possible to be able to shift blame to in a defensive reaction. As well as to keep the smokescreen around for as long as possible.
Hmm. I see where confusion is coming from. In the RL version of this game I've played, we usually played where the jester's winning would end the game(it's a stupid way to play, really). If that wasn't the case, I guess lynching them wouldn't be too bad.
Zombie Urist: I really hope you're not a jester. You're acting scummy enough, though. You come out with a vote on Griffionday with absolutely no reasoning behind it, then when asked to present your case you switch it. You've been noncommittal the entire game. What is your reasoning for this? Also, you missed my question:
Zombie Urist: Are you a jester?
You've quoted this at least twice now when called to defend your ZU vote, so I'm going to assume it reflects your complete thoughts. Why are you so concerned that ZU could be a Jester?
As I've said before, I didn't actually believe he was a jester, but was interested in his response. I just take the entire quote because it's easier than surgically removing the parts that are most important. The jester stuff is pretty inconsequential in my vote.
TolyK:I brought out the lurkertracker, since I hadn't looked at it in a while, and found something interesting.
Your votes look like this:
Reply #152 - TheWetSheep
Reply #314 - Unvote WetSheep
Reply #860 - TheWetSheep
Reply #901 - Unvote
Unless it's malfunctioning, that's all(I don't have time to trawl through your posts to see). The first one is a RVS vote. The second was pressure on someone you had already poisoned. Why don't you vote more?
Also, why exactly are you suspicious of Griffionday?
If the next ones to look at are Griff, Ranger and Tiruin, why aren't you poking at them?
Vector: Why did you put ZU at L-1 without mentioning it?
TolyK is now at L-1. Please don't hammer. (I voted him to prove my double-vote power, but I might as well vote someone who I find scummy)
How many votes for extend do we have? How many needed?
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