While admittedly I am genuinely curious as to why he's using so much caps, the real reason I'm asking him this question is not to see his reasoning, but to make him angrier. The more furious he is, the more scumtells he will have.
On day one, you stated your scumhunting method was pissing people off. That's great, except when I'm pissed I tend to type before thinking and might say things that could seem like implied scumminess.
Lol, no, I'm not admitting to WIFOM, I'm just pissing Breadbocks off because he hates obscure Tv Tropes links.
So you're pissing him off for no reason. You weren't even hunting him at that point.
Easy answer, an angry scum gives scumtells more often. It can be used as nothing but protown scumhunting, mostly because of all the RAEGVOTES (so very similar to your vote) that it causes.
So pissing people off
obviously makes you town then.
Have ever heard of wifoyifom before? probably not, It's quite a long abbreviation, it roughly translates to "Wine in front of you in front of me." It's quite the magic little phrase.
[quote author=Heliman link=topic=80018.msg2119336#msg2119336 date=1301211519
And by god you are using wifoyifom to it's fullest, seeing as you're trying to induce the rest of the town to lynch me.
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WIFOYIFOM
Dude, just never say this again. WIFOM is the blanket term that people understand. Going deeper into WIFOM is still WIFOM.
Notice the misinforming. Y'know Heli, I searched for wifoyifom on the forum. Know what I found? Jim Groovester's post. Alone. Google it? I get a few hits. This just screams "Not-newb scum trying to confuse semi-newb town with extremely uncommon terms." It's the scum's job to guide the town into a mislynch so they can get more kills.
As an SE, I'm entitled to say getting people pissed so they drop scumtells is a bad idea, because anyone can say dumbass things when annoyed.
And that's when you look for scum tells, a town gets angry, a scum will fall back on progressively classic strategies to defend himself.
More of your scumhunting logic. Honestly I could argue against your argument that defends your strategy from breadbocks, but it'd just be [spoiler=wifom.]Unless the scum is actually doing their job and feigning being an angry town just to mislead you.
And here are a few gems from Jim Groovester.
About making people mad: deliberately making people mad as a scumhunting strategy I generally don't think is very effective, because all you'll succeed in doing is making them mad and whatever scum tells you think you get will probably be junk.But you do want to keep people off balance by asking them tough, probing questions, and it's not uncommon to use hostility to get what you want. You'll see it range from a little to a whole lot.
As a means to an end, getting people angry to get answers out of them isn't such a bad idea, but it should never be a goal unto itself. Keep the game friendly, even when you're screaming profanities at each other.
And that's when you look for scum tells, a town gets angry, a scum will fall back on progressively classic strategies to defend himself.
I have no idea what you're talking about. What are these progressively classic strategies that scum use to defend themselves?
[spoiler=Sub-WOT]
If you want names, I'd say Jim, and Webadict, because it makes us depend on them more, and thus subconsciously more trusting.
Jim, there is a difference between pissing someone off to see if they drop scumtells and pissing someone off in order to engineer your own. Vote Jim Groovester.
Want to know what I see here? It isn't town. It's using the exact same voting pattern as a confirmed scum. Of course, you had much more to say, but the vote was the same.
Heliman, list every player, in order of scumminess (in your eyes), with the scummiest at the top.
Hmmm, Scumminess?
major_sephiroth (perceived scumtell, still pursuing)
Bdthemag (Lurking with no reason, while being active elsewhere)
The King of Eggs (3 day vacation, incredibly suspicious manner of posting)
Breadbocks (seems to be coming on a little bandwagony with seph, but could easily be considered as normal scum hunting.)
Jim Groovester (still wary, but there's nothing that I could scream at.)
Supercharazard<-->Toaster<-->CrownofFire (equal level of suspicion, because you're all playing similarly so far: shorter sized posts, usually questioning an individual person and/or answering a question asked by someone else.)
The ICs would probably be higher in this list, but that would be because of my fear of their skill rather than me thinking they're scummy.
Hrrmmm. Which group is almost gone? Oh right the ICs.
I don't have to be gentle to teach you. You're a bright group; you can handle a little abuse. Better get used to it, because what I'm doing is pretty tame.
Well isn't that just be fine and dandy. It all makes sense now, if it weren't for the fact that you weren't doing any real teaching by provoking breadbocks.
Testing reactions is a perfectly legitimate way to scum hunt. Although that's not explicitly what I was doing. I just wanted him to hurry up and fucking do something. As my patience wears thin I get more and more abrasive and my patience was pretty worn down after waiting three days for his mute to expire, and even the runaround he was giving me before that point.
Patience is key in this game. You know this. You know that he'd eventually make a post either making a proper argument or dismissing his argument altogether, and if he stopped posting you could just as easily call for him to be lynched for lurking like scum. For some reason though, you were impatient. Why is that Jim? If you're worried about others thinking that you're not doing enough scum hunting then you are scum.
But the reaction I got to it was pretty damn telling.
I don't care. I'm not here to defend breadbocks, his indecision, or his aggressive tendencies.
WAIT.
STOP, RIGHT HERE.
In attacking Jim, that's
exactly what you were doing and go on to do. In your response to the first JG quote, you're telling him to back off breadbocks. In the second, you're accusing him of being scum to distract everybody else(which failed), and in the third, you distance yourself from him because he's being painfully obvious.
Let's continue, eh?
You don't have a problem with me trying to get him to post sooner than he would have liked, do you? I'd rather put him on the spot and see what he has to say because that's going to be a much more honest reaction than waiting for him to prepare and make shit up.
Yeah I do have a problem with this Jim, because this is different than pressing an accusation. I have recently realized that the last fucking thing in the world a townie should do is press another player to submit an offensive argument hastily. Arguments must be made with the intent to persuade the other townies who read it. Always. Town is not going to listen to an argument that is half-assed, and done without proper deliberation. Trying to push breadbocks into delivering an argument isn't going to make him more honest, it's only going to make him look more unbelievable. Which is exactly what you want.
Isn't that exactly what you're doing when you make a player angry on purpose? You're trying to get them to drop scumtells in a hastily written post.
and tell me what you think of breadbocks. Because you seem to be saying that he's some sort of panicky noob, and let me tell you, he doesn't meet the criteria. Panicky noobs panic, and if he's careful enough to ditch the game as soon as the heat turns up on him (he's avoiding this game despite posting elsewhere on the forum) then his fragile emotional state is not something I have to worry about.
Wrong adjective. Not panicky, aggressive. Easily riled and dogged in his pursuit, and too prideful to give up the when he has no leg to stand on. It's amiable, but not good scum hunting. It's also not a red herring I'm going to be distracted from.
What happened to
I'm not here to defend breadbocks, his indecision, or his aggressive tendencies.
, hmm?
I'm Scumhunting too, by making bullshit accusations that do absolutely no in depth analysis of my target's posts! I think I can make Jim look guilty by listing all of his posts in order and telling you all what I think of them from a general standpoint!
*Headdesk*
*Headdesk*
*Headdesk*
Breadbocks you are doing the worst scumhunting I've seen so far. This is just... total bullshit in every way ever, I could barely finish reading all of it. A town wouldn't be so desperate to hunt like this.
Unvote
vote Breadbocks.
Notice how Heliman easily slips into an oncoming bandwagon when it seems like his arguments seem to be doing nothing at all. Also notice how his last few posts were still attacking Jim/defending Breadbocks.
Breadbocks you are doing the worst scumhunting I've seen so far. This is just... total bullshit in every way ever, I could barely finish reading all of it. A town wouldn't be so desperate to hunt like this.
Unvote
vote Breadbocks.
This looks like a bus. Funny how you bailed off the Jim Groovester train as soon as it lost steam.
Funny, because I don't remember ever supporting breadbocks, or bailing off you. Breadbocks scummier than you are, even when accounting for the difference in experience.
More distancing yourself from obvious scum after chainsaw defending him.
I'm quite interested on what comes up, both on what my scumbuddy puts up as false scumhunting, and what others thing of my scumbuddy...
Ok I'm pretty sure YOU'RE not allowed to post.
What, does he sound like he's about to expose you as scum?
The King of Eggs: His Scumhunting pattern seems to mimic the NKs in that they both seem to be solely concentrated on the ICs. TKoE went for Jim's throat yesterday with absolutely no argument, and did the same for Web by FoSing him for calling him arrogant. The entire basis of his posts seem to be made with the intent of wanting us to ignore the ICs. I'm all for having a good rough and tumble with the senior players, but trying to discredit them is a major problem. This, plus the scared defense at the beginning and the eye raking, player leaving Omega-lurk you put us through when you were on your unexplained vacation, lead me to believe he's scum. Is there any reason why you've been so eager to attack and deface the ICs?
Let's break this down into bits and pieces.
His Scumhunting pattern seems to mimic the NKs in that they both seem to be solely concentrated on the ICs.
And you went nowhere near Jim at all, eh? You're obviously less scummy for only going after one IC. :V
The entire basis of his posts seem to be made with the intent of wanting us to ignore the ICs. I'm all for having a good rough and tumble with the senior players, but trying to discredit them is a major problem.
So, again, exactly what you were doing when you attacked Jim in defense of Breadbocks?
the eye raking, player leaving Omega-lurk you put us through when you were on your unexplained vacation, lead me to believe he's scum.
Maybe he wanted to actually
relax on his vacation instead of stressing out about how he sounds over the internet. Would
you go on a vacation and still be playing this?
Jim, you do something or something. Tell them what to do. I didn't want to be an IC.
Webadict: You weren't afraid to give information before you were playing, what's the difference between giving advice then and giving it now?
...Ow. Ow. OW.
Why do you keep contradicting yourself. Stop it. It makes my head hurt.
...Bookras? No, no that's fucking impossible.
Care to explain? The useless part applies from here on, by the way.
Grr that's still not doing any scumhunting grr.
Grr neither is reminding other players to scumhunt and not trying anything yourself grr. Grr activelurk initiate grr.
To be honest, in would've gone after that OrangeBottle guy for lurking were I you.
How about this. For the others that are actually not either dead, absent(crown) or lurking (Egg), post what they think of the everyone that's alive right now. I mean an ordered list, with a description of every player. Come on motherfuckers, it's arts and crafts time down at the BM daycare, speak up!
Odd, usually you're just a little more detailed when you vote for someone. This is not your usual post, Heliman.
You didn't answer my question EGG, I even bolded it for you.
Hrmm, now why would that be? Would it have anything to do with him
requesting a replacement? No, that's totally obscene what am I thinking.
Lets start with the obvious:
Even a bunch of 5 year old kids could see that I am not dumb enough to rip into someone then NK them :/
Scum are trying to get an easy lynch (me) by killing the people I obviously don't like. Come on guys really?
It's WIFOM, you know it is, the kill wasn't strategic N1 and followed form N2, I "ripped" on Jim too you know, but I wasn't a bitch about it.
STILL pointlessly attacking the replaced to look like you're doing something.
Breadbocks' flip surprised me actually, I do not currently have the time to go through his interactions, but as jim says (never thought I'd say that) look at people breadbocks hadn't attacked, or more likely weakly attacked.
All of Breadbock's attacks were weak, though I seem to remember a very certain attack D1 on a very certain lurker.
*Yaaawwwwnnn*....Oh? Heliman's still attacking the replaced? He's completely useful here!
Again I apologize for my Inactivity, My so-called 'vacation' was an emergency trip to hospital, I have yet to recover and have little enough periods of lucidity to live, let alone enough to post a well thought out argument. (sorry for the sop story, witch this rightfully is.)
Because OF COURSE you only tell people this when your are actually under fire, COULDN'T THINK OF A BETTER TIME IN FACT.
Maybe he only says this when he NEEDS A REPLACEMENT. Stop attacking the replaced to activelurk and get back on your scumhunting train.
Breadbocks' flip surprised me actually, I do not currently have the time to go through his interactions, but as jim says (never thought I'd say that) look at people breadbocks hadn't attacked, or more likely weakly attacked.
Blah, blah, I had no idea my scum partner was scum! Blah, blah, repeating the IC.
Also, if you're so sure he's scum, why haven't you voted him yet?
Hrm. Maybe because
HE'S BEING REPLACED. I thought you could read Heliman.
Hello new person, I'm sorry that you may not be around here for long. Have you read the thread yet?
Hrmmm. There's a word for this kind of post. Useless.
Wait, what? You aren't even trying to piss people off to make them drop scumtells anymo- ohthat'srightitmakesyoulooklikeamassivehypocritenow.
Ah! Today is finally getting interesting!
I have to disagree Simmy. The way I see it, I'm the one who has been scumhunting the most today, what with my pursuit of Egg. Why would you you see it otherwise?
Except you can't scumhunt what was replaced. When i tried to say that wuba was scum because of supercharazad's actions, They(JG and WA) both told me to stop looking at super. So how was your "scumhunting"(read:total verbal assault with no point) contributing anything at all?
(PFP)But wuba, that was the first thing I did today!
? Did I miss a post? I don't see one that would be listed.
(PFP)The one where I first voted egg?
Translation: The one where I voted someone for doing something I did, but worse?
Simmura
Okay, first off, could an IC give a detailed explanation of WIFOM? I still don't fully understand it.
Woah Woah Woah, What? You used WIFOM as a reason for voting me without knowing what it does? Massive OMGUS'n is afoot here.
For once I agree. There's something wrong with that logic. Finally, you start doing something.
Secondly, Heli: I was basing that mostly off the current page. Not great, I know. Ah well.
Ok, now I don't follow because on the very same page I was hunting your predecessor, Egg. In fact, you even mentioned how I talked about WIFOM today, when that was the only post I mentioned it in, so you had to have seen it.
Brotip: pagelength can be changed in the User Control Panel.
Can I ask why you're so convinced that Heli's town, though?
Oh, read through the thread, the answer's in there somewhere.
Hey, I think I've mastered helispeak. Here's a nice translation for the rest of us: "There's no reason unless Wuba actually says why he believes i'm town!"
No you didn't, you ragged on Egg and said nothing on anyone else.
I beg to differ, although I did focus on egg in that post, it was only because I wanted to elaborate why I was voting him.
Which ended up being something to the point of,"He's me with no good evidence."
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Seriously? Guy's been in a hospital and had just asked for replacement, and you're just going to act like he's lieing? Dick move, heliman.
I don't see any reason to believe him, especially since he's withheld this information for so long.
Also, he is a jerk.
Oh. Well pardon me, madam.
For everyone watching, please note that this was the reason I started looking at Heliman more closely.
[spoiler=For Heliman:]
Y'know, this entire post was made PFP. All of my posts are made PFP. So don't just hide behind that to say that your posts were contentless just because of that.
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