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Author Topic: Beginners' Mafia XXII [0/6, 1/3], POSTGAME: Mafia Won!  (Read 72066 times)

Jim Groovester

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Heliman - Most likely scum. He is being completely and utterly useless today, what with attacking the guy who requested a replacement. Also, he is a jerk.

Being a jerk isn't a scum tell. You shouldn't vote a player who rubs you the wrong way, only a player you think is scum.

There's nothing wrong with attacking a player who's requested a replacement. Asking for a replacement doesn't make a player off-limits.

Webadict - Might be scum. The other two ICs are dead, and one has to be scum, right? I think that if Webadict doesn't die tonight, he is scum.

The roles are distributed randomly; you can't make any assumptions about the alignment of any ICs based on the alignments of the other two.
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Besides he replaced in.

Simmura McCrea

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Actually, I have a question for you. Simmura: What do you think about the previous nightkills?
I get the feeling they were slightly panicky scum trying to take out the more experienced ICs to reduce the chances of detection. Bread got caught too early, but the remaining scum's got a much easier job without them. In all honesty, I expect webadict to be the next to be NK'd. Of course, now that I've said that, the scum might not NK him to try to throw off this line of thought. Not that it'd help much, since we'd still have an IC townie. Unless webadict himself is the scum. So basically, if webadict isn't NK'd, I'm going to suspect him pretty heavily. Probably won't find anything on him, though. No offense to you, webadict. It's just what I'd do if I were scum.
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Heliman - Most likely scum. He is being completely and utterly useless today, what with attacking the guy who requested a replacement. Also, he is a jerk.

Being a jerk isn't a scum tell. You shouldn't vote a player who rubs you the wrong way, only a player you think is scum.

There's nothing wrong with attacking a player who's requested a replacement. Asking for a replacement doesn't make a player off-limits.

He's still being much more useless than he was before.

The roles are distributed randomly; you can't make any assumptions about the alignment of any ICs based on the alignments of the other two.

Ah, sorry, misread the OP. Un-FoS Webadict for now.

Besides he replaced in.

That doesn't mean he's not scum. It just means we have less posts to hunt through to prove that he's scum.
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I think I need to pop in and explain why NK selections are a terrible thing to use as evidence of scummitude.

Let's take your statement here:

So basically, if webadict isn't NK'd, I'm going to suspect him pretty heavily.

Let's assume the five players are Simmura, Webadict, Toaster, A, and B.  Let's also assume I'm the one scum.  I'd try to steer toward a mislynch toward A or B, and then NK the other one.  During the night, I'd work on a case against Web.  Come day, I'd post it and vote him, and assume you'd follow along, since you already advertised that opinion.  Mislynch on Web, I win.

Don't ever assume scum will take the obvious choice when it comes to NKs.  In fact, you shouldn't assume anything about the NKs of previous nights- they are a prime source of useless circular logic that will only waste your time and confuse you.  The dead are dead- focus on the living.
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Okay, that's my logic shot down. Thanks, Toaster.

Soooooooo. Um. FoS on Crown. He's been pretty lurky recently, although that may be RL stuff. Aside from that, I'm going to have to re-think some stuff.
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Okay, first off, could an IC give a detailed explanation of WIFOM? I still don't fully understand it.
Woah Woah Woah, What? You used WIFOM as a reason for voting me without knowing what it does? Massive OMGUS'n is afoot here.

Secondly, Heli: I was basing that mostly off the current page. Not great, I know. Ah well.
Ok, now I don't follow because on the very same page I was hunting your predecessor, Egg. In fact, you even mentioned how I talked about WIFOM today, when that was the only post I mentioned it in, so you had to have seen it.

Can I ask why you're so convinced that Heli's town, though?
Oh, read through the thread, the answer's in there somewhere.

No you didn't, you ragged on Egg and said nothing on anyone else.
I beg to differ, although I did focus on egg in that post, it was only because I wanted to elaborate why I was voting him.

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Seriously? Guy's been in a hospital and had just asked for replacement, and you're just going to act like he's lieing? Dick move, heliman.
I don't see any reason to believe him, especially since he's withheld this information for so long.

Also, he is a jerk.
Oh. Well pardon me, madam.

He's still being much more useless than he was before.
This is the second time you've made this baseless observation, would you care to explain to us why? If you can, try not to act too much like breadbocks in the process.
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Eggs' reason for leaving is valid enough and covers why he was gone without an excuse, even though some elaboration would have been welcome. End of story. Go find a better reason.
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Hmm? There's nothing to find a reason for, I'm just stating my point of view/ defending myself. Regardless, I'll back off the whole "Egg left suddenly ZOMG" thing if you want then.
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webadict

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I am going to work on this tomorrow or over the weekend. I'm sorry, guys. Lots of stuff all at once.
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Heliman

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(PFP) might as well Extend, many new people and things to bicker about, it would be best to do it over the weekend.
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Hey, LNCP, just a heads up, you never sent me the link to deadchat. Does dead scum not get deadchat?
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Heliman

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... can't you just pm him?
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Derp. I honestly forgot about PMing.
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Simmura McCrea

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Posting from work, but I'll try to get something useful done here.
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Okay, first off, could an IC give a detailed explanation of WIFOM? I still don't fully understand it.
Woah Woah Woah, What? You used WIFOM as a reason for voting me without knowing what it does? Massive OMGUS'n is afoot here.
No, I used the fact that you kept going on about it despite Jim telling you to quit it. Also, because you're aggressive and assertive and I don't like that sort of person.

Secondly, Heli: I was basing that mostly off the current page. Not great, I know. Ah well.
Ok, now I don't follow because on the very same page I was hunting your predecessor, Egg. In fact, you even mentioned how I talked about WIFOM today, when that was the only post I mentioned it in, so you had to have seen it.
Yeah, you ragged on Egg. That was it.

Can I ask why you're so convinced that Heli's town, though?
Oh, read through the thread, the answer's in there somewhere.
Didn't ask you.

No you didn't, you ragged on Egg and said nothing on anyone else.
I beg to differ, although I did focus on egg in that post, it was only because I wanted to elaborate why I was voting him.
I was more meaning here, but having seen that post I concede the point.
Also, he is a jerk.
Oh. Well pardon me, madam.
And yes, you are being a jerk.

Anywho, that aside, I'm going to do something that's probably pretty stupid and trust webadict. Heli's town, yay, have a party or something. Gotta work now, will post on the others later, this one just didn't require as much thought.
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