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[ToonyMan]

ToonyMan: I'm weirdly hung up on him giving Supernatural as an example of his most recent scum game -- it's the true and correct answer to the question, but he was an SK and he said after the end of the game that he basically played D1 like town (see  this discord message), making it perhaps a poor choice if one wants to see what scum!Toony looks like (presumably the point of the question). I am definitely overweighing this but it's where my head is at. Otherwise good

Thanks for pointing that out, do you know of a better place to start reading for a good scum Toony example?

Sorry, BYOR16 would be a better example then.

I'd think mafia might want to kill you because of the apples alone, plus if you're not mafia, that's good enough too.  But why are you saying that if Toon is town, toon's life is more valuable than yours?

Toonyman is a better player than me.

Says who?

Also on a mechanical standpoint your role seems significantly more helpful than mine, since a lot of it is being a radar for Webadict.

[ToonyMan]

Jack bad

Yes.

Does Webadict/Quarque look like a thing?

[Maximum Spin]

Jack bad

Yes.

Does Webadict/Quarque look like a thing?

Uh. Maybe? I hate going back and rereading, but the game's still kind of short so let me get back to you on that. That could be a weird one.

[Elephant Parade]

I'm willing to execute Sofanthiel for continuing to fluff his posts with goofy nonsense but I don't have a strong read on him yet.

[Imp]

FoU is required to have ideas, or gut instincts, or something.

Why?

Here's quotes from town FoU D2 of the last game.  I don't see skilled play here at all.

Spoiler: Warning of great length, 52 quotes here, everything FoU said D2 of their last game as town (click to show/hide)

webadict: Do you still think we should execute TricMagic? You know, when or if he comes back.

I would like to note that I am vanilla town. As I am vanilla town, I performed no night actions. I don't expect this to change unless I'm converted or something like that.

To be fair, webadict directed us to vote TricMagic on day one, and didn't look uncertain about it at all.

I don't think he knew he was going to flip as vanilla town, though.

I am vanilla town and have no actions because I am vanilla town.

Okay, so the mod is unwilling to disclose how many votes people may or may not have.

Just checking something.

EuchreJack, EuchreJack, EuchreJack, EuchreJack, EuchreJack

I did not target anybody. I submitted 'Nobody' for my preferred action target. vanilla town do not have actions.

At this rate sofanthiel will start calling people Esteemed.

Which is why I find it suspicious that Fallacy of Urist won't answer who they targeted.

I did not target anybody. I submitted 'Nobody' for my preferred action target. vanilla town do not have actions.

You never answered my answer.

I am not scum. I am vanilla town. Perhaps Spin thought it'd be funny to make me town, honestly.

You have yet to explain why we should vote Tric, despite being asked several times. Additionally, you were confident about voting out Tric on Day 1.

What's the deal?

The deal is that Tric is dodgy scum

I think the most optimal way to win is to vote myself Today and have everyone vote TricMagic Tomorrow.

I will not explain why.

Why did you put this forwards on Day 1 as well? Before Tric even posted, too.

Because I didn't want to spend a whole Day doing nothing when I thought it was a Cult, and also because I thought it was a cheeky way to avoid being recruited.

Why did you put Tric in particular as your scum pick, before he even posted? You implied that you had role information at the start of the game by doing that.

C. Players can win while dead.

How would you know that players can't win while dead?

C. Players can win while dead.

How would you know that players can't win while dead?

sofanthiel.

How would you know that players can't win while dead?

Nevertheless, web had no way of knowing or not knowing that, and that's one of the things I took mental note of on day 1.

That part's fair.

I will chime in and say that web's day 1 behavior wasn't super vanilla-town-like.  Even if it was done with the sole intention of assisted suicide, if you didn't revive, town would've gone into day 2 and continued forward up to the knees in disinformation that has the potential to be harmful in nature, believing that:
A. Not everyone had the simple vanilla town PM on the first day (I will personally examine this point later).
B. Tric is 100% scum and needs to be lynched.
C. Players can win while dead.

It would have taken us days and nights of deep scrutiny to sort through the lies told by someone we were led to consider trustworthy.

I just find it odd that you considered 'players can win while dead' to be harmful disinformation and something automatically assumed from webadict's death.

Can't say I trust webadict right now.

Is there any reason for me to vote him over EuchreJack... they're both sus, but web is more sus as of right now.

May as well throw on the pressure. webadict.

Colluding with... Crystalizedmire?

And if there's a second scumteam, it'd be sofanthiel and EuchreJack.

Alright.

1: webadict hasn't really been able to back up his claims. He told us to execute him and then vote TricMagic on Day 1. If he was truly vanilla town as he flipped, he would have no way of knowing that, and if we chose to fully trust his plan, it would be potentially destructive, as sofanthiel noted.

2: Day 2, webadict seems to have lost all interest in getting himself executed, and now proposes that Tric and I are scum. Tric is the ultimate null read at this point, having been non-interactable Day 1 and now banished as of Day 2. I, well, I'm vanilla town. More importantly though, I don't see his justification of me as a scumread. Maybe if he thought I was chainsaw defending Tric, but, Tric is completely null. I haven't even mentioned him. I just think webadict is acting off. More authoritative than usual.

3: Crystalizedmire is exhibiting an unusual amount of aggression, specifically towards me, and defensive of webadict. Potential newb scumtells.

4: My supposition about sofanthiel and EuchreJack is wholly intuition-based. They both seem to be acting a little more energetic than I'm used to. I don't have as much confidence in this, though.

I'd be satisfied with a webadict execution today.

When or if Tric returns, I'll be happy to put him to the test.

I am vanilla town.

Questions?

The problem with your logic is that you sent in a target last Night but still claim Vanilla Town.

I did not send in a target last Night. I said 'nobody'. Max let me get away with it. He heavily encouraged me to choose a player, but I continued to say nobody.

Please confirm that it would be valid to choose to target no player as of Night 1's action submissions.

Any concerns or thoughts about having not even heard from EuchreJack yet today?

Real life happens. I'd love to hear from him, of course, and see what he has to say about sofanthiel and webadict.

Yeah, no offense, but I'm cleared of being the murderer, and there's a murderer, so I'm kinda against being voted out when I literally could not be the murderer.  The best you can say is that I'm Third Party due to the resurrection, but your logic is batshit.

... Uh, not being the murderer isn't any guarantee you're not scum.

Please confirm that it would be valid to choose to target no player as of Night 1's action submissions.

Of course. This is still just a game of mafia, you can take no action if you really want.

So, anyways, I chose to target no player as of Night 1, because vanilla town do not possess night actions.

Fallacy is berserk right now.

Look, if we're going by Supernatural tropes, there's been at least one occasion where a scumteam recruited from the grave. Werewolf Priest, or something like that.

Oh, and some proof:  CrystalizedMire

I don't see how voting your potential scum partner changes anything. Bussing is a thing.

Oh, right, proving you're voteless.

Yeah, that's a valid attempt, we'll see what Spin makes of it.

Claim: Vanilla Townie

By the way, Fallacy, it's this post that you should've linked when I asked you.

Should've? By what metric?

I respect your experience, but there's still more than one way to play the game. I'm town. I still don't fully know how I should play as town, but I can't trust your answer not to be biased here.

I'll happily hear you out post-game.

That's fair, but you either have to find the person who resurrected me or you have to say that I'm lying and resurrected myself (and thus a murderer is still out there), but in either case, I'm not the top suspect.  The best case scenario is that we vote me as a safety measure to determine if such a cult exists, but you have to understand that from my perspective, that's crazy because there is a dead body, and I definitely did not kill them nor did anyone claim killing Quarque, which should really be a key signal that there's some type of killing scum, no?

If you think I'm going to ignore behavioral tells just because you're unlikely to have performed the nightkill, then you're also berserk.

Oh, right, should probably draw this to everyone's attention

Normally it'd be a bit meta, but I think that's fair in a bastard game.

In the 'Center for Supernormal Affairs' Discord we all joined, Spin said 'remember to check your private threads!' in the landing channel, once Day 2 started.

(That's not illegally quoting the mod, all of us can see that.)

I don't have a private thread.

The fact that we all had to join that server makes me suspect cult mechanics, also.

Imagine you have a box. It's a pretty box, but you have no idea what's in it.

Then, God tells you that you can throw the box at someone. The box could have candy in it! It could also have a nuke in it.

Then, God gives you a devilish smirk, and tells you that you really, really should throw the box at someone. But you don't technically have to.

Isn't it natural that you'd choose to not throw the box?

And that, even when the box is opened, you'd prefer not to touch any of the goodies inside, because they could just as easily be poison?

In other news, I am vanilla town, and will not be taking any actions.

2. I targeted Sofanthiel arbitrarily because we had to target someone.

We didn't have to target someone, but to be fair to you, it was very easy to falsely get that impression.

Looking at your reasoning as a whole, sofanthiel would know that you're not the killer given these circumstances, unless:

1, you can multi-act. We can never really rule this out. I don't think multi-acting is a common trope in Supernatural games, but we can't rule it out, Spin could choose to use it.

2, sofanthiel also chose not to act during the Night. If there wasn't an action to prevent, I don't think sofanthiel would learn he was roleblocked.

Additional bonus 3rd option: You and sofanthiel are a scumteam.

If I did have a role other than vanilla town, I couldn't tell you. Players aren't allowed to claim roles other than vanilla town.

I'd rather do nothing with the night actions I don't have instead of trying to do something and have my nonexistent night action turn into a nuke. I will not be acting at night.

As far as I can tell, web's case on me is based solely around my meta as a player and the fact that I keep saying that I'm vanilla town.

Like, that's not even a case. Note also how he stopped mentioning TricMagic altogether, and hasn't tried to explain how we relate.

The meta stuff falls apart because this is a bastard game and most of the games I've played haven't been bastard. I'm acting differently because I'm semi-paranoid vanilla town.

Web says "he's using non-action as cover for performing the kill". Ignores that that reasoning would apply to EuchreJack too, and I claimed first.

webadict is scum. He probably didn't perform the kill, but he's literally scum. Not that it's a bad idea to look for the killer, but we have floundering scum right here. So let's start with him.

I think you were converted to scum, yes. Pretty sure I made that explicit earlier.

As I've already mentioned, Crystalizedmire was unusually defensive of webadict earlier.

In two successive posts, webadict claimed to be confirmed town and a survivor. Both of these cannot be true, it has to be one or the other. And if he's a survivor, why is he even trying to find scum?

Just to be clear, I don't care that webadict couldn't have killed. He's scum. Behavioral tells are enough for me. He probably wasn't scum yesterday, given the change from passive, calm, to aggressive, focused.

I can't stop y'all from executing me, just make sure to vote out webadict the next day.

If I revive, don't trust a thing I say.

webadict is behaviorally the scummiest player here. I don't think we'll get much out of role interaction discussions, it's a bastard game.

I could be wrong, but I don't have the brain space to pursue every single thread of the thread.

[1] You've said that, but you're using faulty logic, and you're still ignoring that I couldn't've killed Quarque.  Again, if you're afraid of a Cult Leader, why would you vote me, someone without a vote, who didn't kill, and didn't convert myself?  Like, that's weird, right?  It's a wasted vote.

[2] Basically, it implies you're worried about people being converted or coming back to life, but not people being killed.  You see the problem with that line of thinking, no?

[1]: Obviously you didn't kill Quarque. The SK killed Quarque. Executing you should reveal that the cult leader exists.

[2]: You can spell it out for me if you want to.

Because if Fallacy joins me in voting NQT, then convinces one other player to vote NQT, then NQT will be lynched instead of Fallacy. Otherwise...

The problem with that is that I think NQT is town. In fact, he's my highest townpick.

I'd rather get executed myself than have NQT die. Since I'm vanilla town, his role is almost certainly more valuable. I'm sacrificial.

Failing that, helping me see nqt from your perspective, whatever it is that makes him your top townpick, that might also have some value.

Good analysis in posts 258 and 260. (Less so 261, but at least his scumread of me looks genuine, as opposed to web's.)

Being forthright and up front with his action claim in post 149.

Support of Quarque back on Day 1 in post 130.

Good guesswork in post 89.

Of course, this could just be cover for someone more aware of the setup from the get-go, but the fact that his arguments appear to be made in good faith as opposed to web's more unjustified attack makes me prefer him.

I think Crystalizedmire revived web, based on her sheeping and defense of web. Medium-high confidence.

I think EuchreJack or sofanthiel killed Quarque. Low confidence.

notquitethere would have to be wrong about the roleblock.

I said low confidence. It's not something I've dug into.

I think Crystalizedmire revived web, based on her sheeping and defense of web. Medium-high confidence.

I think EuchreJack or sofanthiel killed Quarque. Low confidence.

Presuming CM revived web, do you have a theory for how/why TM ended up elsewhere?

He could've banished himself, honestly.

Are you saying that only one of the two can be a member of the non-human mafia?  Come on, Imp!  The connection is fairly simple to make; you're already voting nqt, after all.  Why would scum!Fallacy rather die a horrible and painful death than let nqt perish instead?

I'd like to ask you what you'll do in the event that I flip as town.

I will literally die on this hill.

Sure, sure.

What will you do the next Day, though?

If I revive, nobody should trust me, as I will be scum.

I will probably say false alarm under such a circumstance, but that will be a lie and should not be trusted.

Currently I am vanilla town.

Do you really think that Crystal made a play like that?  Not that I know anything of what she's capable of, but I do not believe that Crystal would be able to.  You'd have to assume that that is specifically true.

You're looking for connections that don't exist.  Trust me, I've already thought through most scenarios.  As far as I can tell, the only person that could've resurrected me is TricMagic, since he was the only one that potentially did not have a Vanilla Town role.  In that case, do you think it's Crystal + TricMagic?

No, I think you and Crystal are cult!scum.

Imagine dying on the wrong hill.  Say hi to ToonyMan for me.  Personally, I think if you're telling the truth about being a Vanilla Town, then you'll revive like I did, and you'll have freaked out about the exact wrong thing, but I will thoroughly enjoy it.

I will die on this hill and I will take you down with me.

What will you do the next Day, though?

What I meant is that my intentions for tomorrow are best left a secret until tomorrow.

That's fair.

You don't have to disclose all of your intentions. Just the ones you have in the event that I die and flip as Town.

Fallacy: I'm afraid your town flip is not going to give us any info.  Practically everyone is either voting you, or thinking very hard about voting you.
If thy be mislynched, then we'll all share the blame.

Eh, debatable. Look at why the people have said they're voting, how coherent their arguments they are, how much they rely on meta-reasoning versus, you know, my actual behavior.

You'll get plenty of intel.

You don't have to disclose all of your intentions. Just the ones you have in the event that I die and flip as Town.

If you turn out to be vanilla town, the logical conclusion would be that the bloodsucker is still at large, and I don't wish to enlarge the already non-minuscule target on my forehead.  Do not fret, however, for, in that case, you will be thoroughly and violently avenged!

Okay, you don't have to disclose all the intentions you have in the event that I die and flip as town, just the intentions you have for the next Day in the event that I die and flip as town.

You can afford to disgorge that much, right?

*Puts on Teacher's Hat*
Ok kids, today in Forum Mafia 101, we will be studying "Appeals to Emotions" or ATE.  Above is a prime example of an Appeal to Emotion. It inspires to trigger a sympathetic emotional reaction. However, the player FallacyofUrist has miscalculated. Since sofanthiel has no emotions, the strategem of "Appeal to Emotions" is unlikely to succeed.
*Removes Teacher's Hat*

Actually, that's not the intent.

I'm trying to show how unreasonable sofanthiel is being. 'What will you do if I flip town' is a basic question that comes up a lot across the mafiaverse.

Even after I narrowed it down, he's refusing to answer entirely.

I'd consider you a jester, but you haven't hammered yourself.

It's very tempting, trust me! But the longer I last before dying, the more information is generated. Hammering myself would be anti-town.

But if you are totally, one hundred percent confident, absolutely and totally, that I am not town, and you say so to my face, I'll do it. Just for you.

Town top, Scum bottom.
Most town: NQT
Imp
TricMagic
EuchreJack
sofanthiel
CrystalizedMire
Webadict is definitely scum to you

Not bad, but Tric isn't even on the list. He's not neutral, he's null. Hasn't participated enough at all to even try to read.

Oh, and at this point sofanthiel has lost some of my trust, and sits below Crystalizedmire.

I still don't understand your focus on a player who isn't even here.

CM was at least present and had acted.

Tric was nonvotable on Day 1 and has now vanished. Maybe he did the kill! But the thing is, we literally can't know until he comes back, unless someone has some 'read the past' power.

I wouldn't be help with that, I'm vanilla town.

Promise to help me kill web tomorrow?

You continue to make no sense.

You know what, blame me, you can vote yourself now.  I'm not really a fan of you being overly paranoid, and a good dirt nap isn't so bad!

Hold on, give me a few minutes first, sofanthiel isn't answering Jack's questions. We can wait for them to argue it out first at least.

Anyone could have done the kill! An arbitrary number of bastard, multi-target, weird, roleblock-bypassing abilities have the potential to exist.

Basing the entirety of scumhunting on a manipulatable mechanic is a flawed notion.

Looking at behavior, Crystalizedmire, sofanthiel, and webadict are scummiest.

I picked webadict, it's not my fault nobody wants to vote the revenant! I am vanclla town.

You and sofanthiel are what?

We can't lynch the entire mafia team in one day, can we?  Your fate depends on the outcome of Fallacy's hanging.

Is that a statement of your intentions towards Day 3?

sofanthiel has spent all his credcoin and is now in great debt. He can pay with his life, though. I am vanillo town.

Spoiler: Here's their roleflip, elim D2 (click to show/hide)

FallacyofUrist was:
Superhero
Win Condition: You win when all threats to humanity are dead and at least one human is still alive.

(Auto) Bulletproof: You're very hard to kill, as long as there are no pieces of your home planet around or anything like that.
(Night) Protector of the Innocent (target): You protect your target. If your target is targeted by a kill action that could kill you, you die.
(Night) X-ray Vision (target): You learn your target's nature.
(Night) Lasso of Truth (target): You roleblock your target.

Where's the ideas, gut instincts, I presume 'good play' you seem to expect?

As for EP... I've seen EP do much better than FoU first day of having a town role - and do reasonable and effective as well, so my expectations are nearly opposite yours.

[Maximum Spin]

Does Webadict/Quarque look like a thing?

Uh. Maybe? I hate going back and rereading, but the game's still kind of short so let me get back to you on that. That could be a weird one.

Nah, I don't think I see it, their starting interactions don't look teamed to me unless HEAVILY scripted out.

[sofanthiel]

First message in the game, Tric says the following:

another will die today If it's town, I get something nice. If it's mafia, well too bad for them.

Notice the first part!  Town deaths provide a favorable effect.  Mafia deaths are neutral in Tric's eyes; no mention of any positives.  I'm assuming that this post wasn't thoroughly thought through.  Eight posts later, EIGHT, Tric realizes that, "Hey, maybe everybody knowing the fact that my modus operandi is eliminating town hurts my chances of achieving that goal!"  Regardless of alignment, the only reasonable course of action in that case is to come up with some caveat/clarification that partially invalidates the original statement or makes it less significant.  That correction is:

If town gets lynched, I gain another shot.

I think that Tric is hiding the true nature of that mysterious "something nice" from us by portraying it as a basic recharge.

When will you admit you are aiming daykills around? I made my ability clear as day, where you smear your own in muddy words. Not a vote, but a gun aimed my way.

What's entertaining is that you quoted my message yet did not answer the lone question posed in it.

[Elephant Parade]

I am wary of overanalyzing FoU's behavior in a bizarre bastard game

[Elephant Parade]

First message in the game, Tric says the following:

another will die today If it's town, I get something nice. If it's mafia, well too bad for them.

Notice the first part!  Town deaths provide a favorable effect.  Mafia deaths are neutral in Tric's eyes; no mention of any positives.  I'm assuming that this post wasn't thoroughly thought through.  Eight posts later, EIGHT, Tric realizes that, "Hey, maybe everybody knowing the fact that my modus operandi is eliminating town hurts my chances of achieving that goal!"  Regardless of alignment, the only reasonable course of action in that case is to come up with some caveat/clarification that partially invalidates the original statement or makes it less significant.  That correction is:

If town gets lynched, I gain another shot.

I think that Tric is hiding the true nature of that mysterious "something nice" from us by portraying it as a basic recharge.

When will you admit you are aiming daykills around? I made my ability clear as day, where you smear your own in muddy words. Not a vote, but a gun aimed my way.

What's entertaining is that you quoted my message yet did not answer the lone question posed in it.

I find it extremely silly to hyperanalyze the wording of someone's first post of the game. I appreciate the lack of goofy nonsense, but I think you're constructing a castle on a cloud here, Sofanthiel

[Maximum Spin]

First message in the game, Tric says the following:

another will die today If it's town, I get something nice. If it's mafia, well too bad for them.

Notice the first part!  Town deaths provide a favorable effect.  Mafia deaths are neutral in Tric's eyes; no mention of any positives.  I'm assuming that this post wasn't thoroughly thought through.  Eight posts later, EIGHT, Tric realizes that, "Hey, maybe everybody knowing the fact that my modus operandi is eliminating town hurts my chances of achieving that goal!"  Regardless of alignment, the only reasonable course of action in that case is to come up with some caveat/clarification that partially invalidates the original statement or makes it less significant.  That correction is:

If town gets lynched, I gain another shot.

I think that Tric is hiding the true nature of that mysterious "something nice" from us by portraying it as a basic recharge.

When will you admit you are aiming daykills around? I made my ability clear as day, where you smear your own in muddy words. Not a vote, but a gun aimed my way.

What's entertaining is that you quoted my message yet did not answer the lone question posed in it.

I don't think Tric's that dumb, honestly. I could definitely see him angling for another SK-like role again, though, but that's not gonna be my priority here.

I am wary of overanalyzing FoU's behavior in a bizarre bastard game

The best examples of town Fallacy I currently remember are BYOR 16, Proc Gen Mafia, and Beginner BYOR 2. Both of the last two are particularly good examples of his poor town play being used against him. They look a lot like this.

[Imp]

@Imp:

Great.  Incredibly helpful for many reasons.  I really appreciate the information you share, and

Also on a mechanical standpoint your role seems significantly more helpful than mine, since a lot of it is being a radar for Webadict.

A lot of people don't full claim D1.  You're probably great radar in general, and have other value.

[Imp]

I think that Tric is hiding the true nature of that mysterious "something nice" from us by portraying it as a basic recharge.

Yeah.  Except there's even better ways to hide it.

I think Tric is honest here about the way the vote stuff works, because that's highly visible.  We know who we elim today, and if that elim set should recharge Tric's oneshot or not.  If Tric's around for D2, then we get to see if Tric does expected things or not.

I'm now trying to imaging if I was gonna use a 'two die today' power on D1, and what I might say about it, as town or scum or third party.

I think what Tric has said about how the power works is NAI.

Subnote, Tric did claim this was Tric's only power, then claimed having an item that allows for inspections of what was used, sphere-wise, on someone who has died, which sounds like an ability to me (items are abilities, I think).  But that's not really a 'oh, you are scum!' kinda lie, if it is properly called a lie, in these circumstances.

So I look at the rest of what Tric's said so far, the total package.  And I remember, if I think Tric's scum with that double elim, I can help make sure Tric's one of the ones that die today.

Whatcha think of the whole of Tric's behavior so far, sof?  What stands out as alignment indicative, and/or other goals and interests Tric seems to have?

[TricMagic]

First message in the game, Tric says the following:

another will die today If it's town, I get something nice. If it's mafia, well too bad for them.

Notice the first part!  Town deaths provide a favorable effect.  Mafia deaths are neutral in Tric's eyes; no mention of any positives.  I'm assuming that this post wasn't thoroughly thought through.  Eight posts later, EIGHT, Tric realizes that, "Hey, maybe everybody knowing the fact that my modus operandi is eliminating town hurts my chances of achieving that goal!"  Regardless of alignment, the only reasonable course of action in that case is to come up with some caveat/clarification that partially invalidates the original statement or makes it less significant.  That correction is:

If town gets lynched, I gain another shot.

I think that Tric is hiding the true nature of that mysterious "something nice" from us by portraying it as a basic recharge.

When will you admit you are aiming daykills around? I made my ability clear as day, where you smear your own in muddy words. Not a vote, but a gun aimed my way.

What's entertaining is that you quoted my message yet did not answer the lone question posed in it.

Sof. Why is bad things happening to mafia not a positive in your eyes?
Also, you asked a question? That sounded more like a statement. Or a rhetorical. How else do I get people to..

Did you say follow?

Yeah, listen to, and go along with. Have you met TricMagic sof? I ca't really answer what type of leading I do given I'm mostly watching and pointing out flaws. I make my own conclusions, just as others do, and votes come together to lynch the scummiest person.

[TricMagic]

To add onto this at third glance. Why would I need to clarify that? I could have left it in the dark, but that doesn't help my wincon does it? Mafia tries to shoot me, I die, and that leaves the rest of town around. Not that it seems like mafia ever kills me.

[TricMagic]

another will die today. As noted, I made that red. If you believe my words, that is a requirement to activate the double lynch. If you believe my words, you know that you have a daykill, and perhaps other abilities. You can't hide that sort of stuff, as right now there is a good chance the bible kills Toony from your day kill, no matter who you target with it..