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Mafia: Free of Fluff Part 1 of 3
Hm. One the one hand, bandwagoning someone when an explicit part of the reasoning is that person having bandwagoned someone else is a little off. On the other hand, TricMagic actually does look suspicious.
Ehhhhh, I'll go for it, TricMagic, but if he(?) flips town, I've got your number, turtle. 
To be fair, he's still likely to flip town. This is still random vote stage. Brace for disappointment.
And his reasoning was bandwagon?
If it's random votes you want: BlackHeartKabal, please come out of the woodwork and say hi.
this is slowly becoming pacifist mafia
This will not do. Vote BlackHeartKabel
Seems to me like Icy voted BlackHeart because he was lurking and Tric voted him with no good reason other than a reference to an earlier post about this being pacifist mafia. Neither person referenced bandwagoning, correct me if I'm wrong.
Probably should have quoted both? IcyTea, Moony, and TricMagic Posts. I voted because of you saying it was becoming Pacifist Mafia, so It could technically be the start of a bandwagon. RVS piled on one person to make them come out and post. Post again BHK. And soon.
IcyTea's old list After he changed his vote to me.
These are first impressions, based on very incomplete data. They are very much subject to change as I learn more.
hector13: Slight town. Scumhunting, but not as actively as my meta of one game would expect.
Starver: Third-party. Asking to be visited is a soft giveaway, and is suspicious but not quite scummy in my mind.
blueturtle1134: Town. Started a not-too-suspicious wagon, though I have some reservations.
TricMagic: Scum. Claims both miller and gunsmith and hasn't yet defended against accusations. I would like to hear more of them, as a brilliant jester is a possibility.
IcyTea31: Myself. Can't say a lot here, except that I'm town.
BlackHeartKabal: Null. Still lurking.
juicebox: Slight scum. Under the radar; has posted several times, but only to defend themself and to claim that at this point we need a 'good reason' to vote for someone.
MoonyTheHuman: Null. Under the radar, with little content.
mightymushroom: Town. Logical and focused play.
darkwarlock3: Null. Still lurking.
Maximum Spin: Strong town. Scumhunting, with jokes to make it less obvious.
He unvotes me due to the above Post from MM a few posts later.Here's my post right after that.
Maybe in 7 player games, but you try convincing everyone. I just let them do the convincing, and so they may slip up trying to lynch me.
Not like I have a problem being voted off... So long as everyone talks.
Also, I am still waiting for BlackHeart to show up and post. He's still not here despite it being Wednesday. Show up already! We only have about 1 more day!
Vote is still on BHK as the only vote.
Oh, god, this started, my apologies. Let me read the thread.
This comes after that post.(Spoiler=He doesn't seem to have actually read the whole thing properly.)
8:50:12 vs 01:04:04 time stamp for his first two posts.
Fun little quote against moony's strategy.{
It's totally okay to say little to nothing~}(Sarcasm)
Maybe in 7 player games, but you try convincing everyone. I just let them do the convincing, and so they may slip up trying to lynch me.
Not like I have a problem being voted off... So long as everyone talks.
You would really be addressing the 5 or so who were voting you.
And if you want people talking, why not spread some ideas or get all logical up in their faces?
It seems we have a similar sense of humor; but I dislike the hypocrisy of, "I want to watch other people talking therefore it's okay for me to say little."
If I were not waiting on hector13 and mulling over how easily I pushed IcyTea off your wagon that might have pulled me onto it.
Green is the part I highlighted. May talk more about this at the bottom.
I Unvoted BHK at 11:33:48 am, just over 1 and a half hours before BHK's List...Now to the list.
Right.
hector13: Town. Not as active as I'd expect, but that doesn't mean much.
Starver: Null. The asking to visit is odd, but that could mean anything.
blueturtle1134: Slight town. They aren't scum, I feel, and there isn't much against them.
TricMagic: Miller, huh?
IcyTea31: Null. They have observations, but nothing conclusive.
juicebox: Scum. I'd probably vote them, if not for Tric's miller claim.
MoonyTheHuman: Null. Maybe a bit lurky.
mightymushroom: Strong town. Very involved.
darkwarlock3: Null. Not a lot to work with, huh?
Maximum Spin: Town. They're focused on scumhunting, and would probably be a good choice to take charge of things.
I'm not one for the chaos of Day 1, but Tric's behavior tells me that they're a good D1 lynch, and we do need some info.
Moving on to my deconstruction, and a reminder of your..
Contributions...Right, two things first.
i did a little work on the poem; My conclusion was this: It was probably designed to waste our time
Thanks fallacy
this is slowly becoming pacifist mafia
The Sum Contribution of Moony.
And second, we are still missing someone. May the true darkwarlock3 step up, and, I don't know, POST?
Also, let me pick apart your reasoning..
Right.
hector13: Town. Not as active as I'd expect, but that doesn't mean much.
Why is he a town read? Your reason here doesn't make sense. Neutral makes a lot more sense than this in the context.
Starver: Null. The asking to visit is odd, but that could mean anything.
...Look below on my opinion on this,
blueturtle1134: Slight town. They aren't scum, I feel, and there isn't much against them.
Town is correct here, but slight? Setting hector13 as Town when you said "Not as active as I'd expect, but that doesn't mean"is very suspicious. Turtle has been active.
TricMagic: Miller, huh?
Also Gunsmith apparently.. Can't speak in my defense, but it is data against you.
IcyTea31: Null. They have observations, but nothing conclusive.
In regards to your list? Sure! He did put me on his list apparently, for a bit. What does this say that you also pick me as mafia?
juicebox: Scum. I'd probably vote them, if not for Tric's miller claim.
Let's see, Jester claim early on, says in the same post that they think I'm Scum.. Grab the quote-Well first I'd like to say that I am a jester
Secondly, TricMagic is scum, town would never offer an SK a gun.
He later on claims him claiming Jester does not matter cause it was a joke...
MoonyTheHuman: Null. Maybe a bit lurky.
Lurky Lurky.
mightymushroom: Strong town. Very involved.
Little of Column A, little of Column B. I wouldn't say strong, but town is a good read.
darkwarlock3: Null. Not a lot to work with, huh?
Wasn't much to work with on you either. Where you've been?(Actually curious)
Maximum Spin: Town. They're focused on scumhunting, and would probably be a good choice to take charge of things.
Sure they are. (SR joke buddies for all) As is, He jumped on my bandwagon. As in on me..
Fun fact, he hasn't posted in a while, and his vote on me is still sitting there as the 3rd.
(It's shifted back and forth, but vote 3 is more of a bandwagon move than vote 2 at 11 players)
I'm not one for the chaos of Day 1, but Tric's behavior tells me that they're a good D1 lynch, and we do need some info.
How am I a good lynch anyway, this is the first major deconstruction I've done Day 1.
Now for the Starver bit. You seem to be taking the beginning claims a bit far. Beyond that, he has said he's likely to keep his vote day 1.
I would either put him as Town saving his vote, or Mafia asking to exercise his power. This second bit could also be a town thing.
At the very least... The main reason I put it down here was the read on hector. I've been addressing them from top down. Now to see if there are any ninjas about.
Two of them. Noted MM. Also a hector, which is more than I can say for the warlock.
This is going to be one word wall, but comparison is a must.
It shall be IcyTea, BHK, then my quote, in that order, followed by notes.
First hector.
hector13: Slight town. Scumhunting, but not as actively as my meta of one game would expect.
hector13: Town. Not as active as I'd expect, but that doesn't mean much.
Why is he a town read? Your reason here doesn't make sense. Neutral makes a lot more sense than this in the context.
Slight town was upgraded to town.
Starver-
Starver: Third-party. Asking to be visited is a soft giveaway, and is suspicious but not quite scummy in my mind.
Starver: Null. The asking to visit is odd, but that could mean anything.
No comment in main part. Bottom comment was-
Now for the Starver bit. You seem to be taking the beginning claims a bit far. Beyond that, he has said he's likely to keep his vote day 1.
I would either put him as Town saving his vote, or Mafia asking to exercise his power. This second bit could also be a town thing.
Third-party scummy was upgraded to null. Mine refutes due to the jokey nature of the beginnings. And Starver still hasn't voted today.
blueturtle-
blueturtle1134: Town. Started a not-too-suspicious wagon, though I have some reservations.
blueturtle1134: Slight town. They aren't scum, I feel, and there isn't much against them.
Town is correct here, but slight? Setting hector13 as Town when you said "Not as active as I'd expect, but that doesn't mean"is very suspicious. Turtle has been active.
Downgrade to slight town here. Different just to be different seems to be the trend.
TricMagic-
TricMagic: Scum. Claims both miller and gunsmith and hasn't yet defended against accusations. I would like to hear more of them, as a brilliant jester is a possibility.
]color=red[TricMagic]/color[: Miller, huh?
Also Gunsmith apparently.. Can't speak in my defense, but it is data against you.
We've went through the whole modified miller bit later. And BHK just votes here with only that to say... It has not shifted an inch since then.(Color code changed to prevent self voting.)
Should also be noted that it's nearly the same as declaring me to be scum..
What type of logic is this?IcyTea-
IcyTea31: Myself. Can't say a lot here, except that I'm town.
IcyTea31: Null. They have observations, but nothing conclusive.
In regards to your list? Sure! He did put me on his list apparently, for a bit. What does this say that you also pick me as mafia?
Fun'Fun'
This is a null read just to say it is. Can't just agree with the guy you copy off of, can you. Despite your vote against me, when Juice was the only one left, and that from the beginning.
How is a list, not conclusive to their own findings? Which you seem to have copied from.
BHK-
BlackHeartKabal: Null. Still lurking.
BHK's not on his own list.. Na'-ni...?
Since he's not on his own list, I can't really reply either.
Juicebox-
juicebox: Slight scum. Under the radar; has posted several times, but only to defend themself and to claim that at this point we need a 'good reason' to vote for someone.
juicebox: Scum. I'd probably vote them, if not for Tric's miller claim.
Let's see, Jester claim early on, says in the same post that they think I'm Scum.. Grab the quote-
Quote from: juicebox on June 25, 2018, 08:46:48 pm
Well first I'd like to say that I am a jester
Secondly, TricMagic is scum, town would never offer an SK a gun.
He later on claims him claiming Jester does not matter cause it was a joke...
Downgraded to Scum, says he'll vote if it wasn't for a policy lynch against the Miller. Right...
Not the best thing to say in the same post you vote said Miller.
Not much to say, they both have votes on me, and BHK never explained why he's on the wagon with the his Scum-read. Just that I'm the Miller, that's his only reason.
"Hua..." Once more, where has the Logic gone..Moony-
MoonyTheHuman: Null. Under the radar, with little content.
MoonyTheHuman: Null. Maybe a bit lurky.
Lurky Lurky.
No change on this one, only a bit he says... BHK, I literally put my neck out to get him to vote, and he still doesn't try and persuade anyone.
Reminder: Check for Moon Ninja after this count.
MM-
mightymushroom: Town. Logical and focused play.
mightymushroom: Strong town. Very involved.
Little of Column A, little of Column B. I wouldn't say strong, but town is a good read.
Still is a good read, but another upgrade here. This is still confusing, they're so
Similar to each other, these reads.
DarkWarlock-
darkwarlock3: Null. Still lurking.
darkwarlock3: Null. Not a lot to work with, huh?
Wasn't much to work with on you either. Where you've been?(Actually curious)
Reading through again.. Did he ever answer this question? Same read as before.
State the obvious BHK, state the obvious.
Max Spin-
Maximum Spin: Strong town. Scumhunting, with jokes to make it less obvious.
Maximum Spin: Town. They're focused on scumhunting, and would probably be a good choice to take charge of things.
Sure they are. (SR joke buddies for all) As is, He jumped on my bandwagon. As in on me..
Fun fact, he hasn't posted in a while, and his vote on me is still sitting there as the 3rd.
(It's shifted back and forth, but vote 3 is more of a bandwagon move than vote 2 at 11 players)
Downgraded, then sazs he's a good choice to lead on a list with a strong town read.. What?
Other than that, just a rephrase of what IcyTea said. My part is a bit out of date, and a bit of a joke. Still funny though.
Ninja check- Ninja found under the Moon. More useless posts. He really is just trying to lynch me.
Where is The Logic? WIT-L?Still quoting, but this is the list comparison finished. How to respond..
I just let them do the convincing, and so they may slip up trying to lynch me.
Perfect.
New Section Start. Old section will be referred to near the end. Now then.
To Quote!First though..
Max, Icy, Hector, and Turtle. MM as well. These guys are active. I'm active. Juicebox seems semi-active, which is not the same as active. BHK is not active, and Moony is Lynch-Happy but non-active. No content to the posts, and the latest one even contains a contradiction.
Well i have plenty from you. Thanks for all the posts
Vs.
Nothing. Yet. Looks like everyone else has had it with you, however.
Like i said, i got the info from you i wanted, and you know perfectly well other lurkers are lurking more than me. why not try and make THEM participate instead.
Yeah, this is scummy, as if all you wish in this world is to lynch me.
No Gun for you, unless someone shoots you them-self.My vote after the list and fallacy post.
Vote: BlackHeartCabal
Truly, your heart is as black as the cabal you are a part of.
In other news, I am thinking Juicebox the Jester as mafia, but his voting me as soon as he 'read' the thread is strange. And downright suspicious due to his misreads. If he read the thread, I doubt he would have made those mistakes normally.
Ths appears to be a grammar error.. Huh.
but
hisBHK voting me as soon as he 'read' the thread
There.
Red is my highlight.
BHK
Right.
hector13: Town. Not as active as I'd expect, but that doesn't mean much.
Starver: Null. The asking to visit is odd, but that could mean anything.
blueturtle1134: Slight town. They aren't scum, I feel, and there isn't much against them.
TricMagic: Miller, huh?
IcyTea31: Null. They have observations, but nothing conclusive.
juicebox: Scum. I'd probably vote them, if not for Tric's miller claim.
MoonyTheHuman: Null. Maybe a bit lurky.
mightymushroom: Strong town. Very involved.
darkwarlock3: Null. Not a lot to work with, huh?
Maximum Spin: Town. They're focused on scumhunting, and would probably be a good choice to take charge of things.
I'm not one for the chaos of Day 1, but Tric's behavior tells me that they're a good D1 lynch, and we do need some info.
These are first impressions, based on very incomplete data. They are very much subject to change as I learn more.
hector13: Slight town. Scumhunting, but not as actively as my meta of one game would expect.
Starver: Third-party. Asking to be visited is a soft giveaway, and is suspicious but not quite scummy in my mind.
blueturtle1134: Town. Started a not-too-suspicious wagon, though I have some reservations.
TricMagic: Scum. Claims both miller and gunsmith and hasn't yet defended against accusations. I would like to hear more of them, as a brilliant jester is a possibility.
IcyTea31: Myself. Can't say a lot here, except that I'm town.
BlackHeartKabal: Null. Still lurking.
juicebox: Slight scum. Under the radar; has posted several times, but only to defend themself and to claim that at this point we need a 'good reason' to vote for someone.
MoonyTheHuman: Null. Under the radar, with little content.
mightymushroom: Town. Logical and focused play.
darkwarlock3: Null. Still lurking.
Maximum Spin: Strong town. Scumhunting, with jokes to make it less obvious.
I mean, these look almost identical. Minor variations and IcyTea thinking Starver's a TP aside, anyway. To be brutally honest it looks like you're dropping an OMGUS and using IcyTea's readslist to pretty it up.
There is an answer to Miller claims, and the answer is death. While it's going to always be in the best interests of a town aligned miller to claim that they're a miller if they're aware, it's also far too easy of a scum claim to ignore, because it gives them a perfect mechanical defense against a mechanical investigation.
All right, first off, everyone share there Allignment.
Even if everyone says I'm mafia, I'm town. Do not trust your investigations straight off.
This was mostly to get everyone started by saying their alignment. Town would say town, and mafia can't claim miller. It was meant to help the investigators by knowing who to trust.
Granted, I play an Honest game no matter which side I'm on, though this didn't work out to anything but jokes...
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Come on, that's not believable at all. Give me a bit more than that.
Yeah, this is a deflection, presumably because the response to a miller claim bought more heat than they desired.
The way I see it is that the Miller claim is outright our safest lynch, because if they're telling the truth, then we remove the innate uncertainty behind the miller themselves (because we can't prove that they're miller, and this could end badly if we end up in a LYLO/MYLO situation and we conclude that that is the best time to take out the miller.)
And if they're lying? Dead scum. On D1 too.
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The said part is, this claim is invalidated by my honesty. Modified Miller. This game is just mostly vanilla mafia.
nin-nin: He was joking too you know.
This page need to be read in full. Now- Click the Quote link.In other news, Policy lynch, explaining a reason that will get me lynched ether way, for no information. Come on out BHK.(There, I've tried to get him out Moony. Happy?)
Starver Post, next page over.So, Starver is, not too active, but he is at least accounted for with this post.
This is also the page with most of the Extend votes happening, so check it out. No reason to quote it if you can read t yourself.
There is this though.
Extend.
Word.
Meanwhile, what I came here to say was some updates on my reads. Many are nulls for nonparticipation.
We are all guaranteed some sort of power role, but let's not assume that we win by night actions alone.
I wrote a complete list if anyone wants to demand it, but I think the highlight is this:
- TricMagic: I deflected the wagon earlier, but that was mostly on analysis of turtle's post than of Tric themself. The more they say the more they look scummy to me.
- Side Note: When I pulled apart blueturtle's argument against TricMagic I overlooked the miller claim. Simple oversight on my part since at the time I thought it simply a conversation lead-in of the same vein as the "gun for SK" line; but several of the people voting there later claimed it was part of their calculus, and Tric has since reaffirmed it. Now I'm wondering why so few of you wanted to push back a little for my omission; all y'all are wimps.
- IcyTea31: Neutral to suspicious. I have to call you the chief wimp for continuing to say Tric's style is suspect while simultaneously unvoting. If that's not good enough, who do you like more for scum?
For all that, though, my vote right now is BlackHeartKabal:
You're practically lurking, or should I say lurking practically? Policy lynching the miller is an easy way to appear present without committing yourself to personal interaction.
I just said that I see potentially scummy things in TricMagic's posts. Can you persuade me that they really are scummy, enough so to get me to change my vote?
Come on and convince Mushroom moony. Granted, your own post makes that a bit useless when you don't have the info needed to. Most of my posts are here or around.
Ninja check in- No ninja... Really Moony? That's all you have against me, self-contradiction?
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