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[Tiruin]

Extend, post coming up.
Being sick + depressed + == 
Sorry for being that one IC x_x
^{Who's like, inactive. But I'm active :x}

[TheDarkStar]

TheDarkStar: You seem scummy to me. Please give the reasons for the following:
1. You avoided doing much for the first 6 days you were playing. By looking at your forum profile I can see that you were quite active posting on other things at the time.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Posted his reads May 28th

Time for my reads, based on reading the thread. Also, if Darkpaladin gets modkilled, it's MYLO.

darkpaladin109: Null read due to inactivity. I'll probably ask more things to his replacement if there is one.
borno: Active, but tunneling. Slight scum lean. If scum, then RangerCado is probably also scum.
TheDarkStar: Confirmed town for me  .
Deathsword: Scripten was inactive, so null read for now.
tn5421: Slight scum lean due to odd behavior, but (as Jack says) that could be unrelated to scumminess. If scum, then Jack A T is probably also scum.
RangerCado: Slight scum lean. Possibly borno's scumbuddy if borno is scum.
Kansa: Just started being active, but there isn't any reason to suspect him. Slight town lean.
Jack A T: Slight scum lean due to waving away problems with tn5421's argument. Probably tn5421's scumbuddy if tn5421 is scum.
Tiruin: Active now, and was inactive due to RL. Town lean.

I'll detail the reasons for why I think Jack A T and RangerCado are scum later, but at least one if not two of the scum are in the list of tn5421, borno, Jack A T, and RangerCado.

His post on the 30th was a cop out.

Well, it looks like I took too long to get around to looking at the four people I mentioned in detail. Because of the lack of time, I'll delay finishing looking at stuff until tonight, since I'll be able to see the lynch results. If I die tonight, though, take a look in detail at the three remaining people.

First post containing questions was on June 3rd. That's 6 days after joining the game.

As I said, here are my reads:

LARD:
Slight scum lean, due to post 213 where he decides that borno is scum rather than tn for unclear reasoning and post 203 for voting borno despite saying that he things that tn is probably scum. However, in those same posts, he questions people and scumhunts to an extent. He also replaced in at the end of the day, so there's a reason for him having less. As for darkpaladin, there is barely anything to go off of (but his reads list will be useful later in this game).

LARD, why did you think borno was scum (or scummier) rather than tn? What are your reads?

Deathsword:
Null read due to almost no real posts excused due to RL and replacing another nearly non-active person. Also, to answer his question, I had two main ideas for scumteams because of the way that people seemed to be cooperating, but later things made this doubtful. However, I still see Jack A T as scummy.

What are your reads, in light of last night's events? Please be more active.

RangerCado:
Moderate scum lean. Post 158: Seems to be interpreting what borno says differently, where he takes a random question as bad scumhunting and votes borno for this. Also, he is the only one who is really defending tn for a while, which could mean that he has insider knowledge. Also, post 156 (just use the previous link): He states that he is voting against the evidence that he sees. In (post 144), he shows all these reasons that tn is scummy and then unvotes him and focuses on someone else.

Why did you not vote for tn? Why did you interpret borno's post the way you did? What are your reads?

Kansa:
Null read due to near-inactivity.

Get in here and tell us your reads!

Tiruin:
Moderate town lean. In post 229/230, she seems like town due to trying to figure things out and asking questions. However, I have trouble getting a good read for her in general.

What do you think of yesterday's events? What do you vote now? What are your reads?

Jack A T[/color]:
I thought this was going to be a strong scum lean, but then I read through your posts, so you're leaning town. In the post just above this one (238), he votes for me rather than RangerCado, who he gives a scum lean, or LARD, who he gives a minor scum lean. However, this could simply be there to pressure me into giving my reads. You voted for borno at the end of the day, possibly for credit in post 218, and you use some reasoning that has mostly been used already. Because there is new reasoning there (and you have been doing some scumhunting throughout the game), though, I think that you found it on your own.

Thanks for the reads. What is your non-pressure vote? What do you think the scum killing tn implies?

2. Your posts since have been mostly defense.

Also, Fniff was fairly inactive. His posts were either

Oh hey, I'm here, don't worry.

type statements, responses to others, or vague theory about not voting for someone without sufficient evidence. He spent more effort on theorizing on when not to vote for someone than he did on how to actually identify scum. This seems scummy because the mafia benefits by convincing other players to doubt. He was requested to ask questions by tn and Jack A T and never did. I know you don't have any control over that, but since your are playing his slot, it's a point against you.

1. It's usual for me to not do much on Day 1 in games.

Post on the 30th:

Question Post: I had RL going on, and two of those days were during the night. Also, see what I said above. Also, have you posted your reads yet? Even if Kansa has posted them, I want to see your reads.

What are examples of my defensive posting? You can say whatever you want, but it is useless unless you include evidence.

Yes, Fniff was inactive. That's why he requested replacement - he didn't think he could spend enough time playing this.

PTDFun: Why didn't you vote for me? Also, Kansa was even less active than me. Why do you think that Fniff's inaction is more significant than Kansa's inaction?

MOWE:

Sorry for this, but I'm asking for replacement. I will be unable to post for a month or two.

Is this four replacements so far?

[Teneb]

Extend

Just got an internship and am quite tired. I'll try to post later after resting a bit.

[LARD]

No time, Extend as well.

[PTDfun]

This question still needs answering. If TheDarkStar doesn't want to answer, then I'll refer it to his replacement.
TheDarkStar and Tiruin:

What do you think the best way to play mafia (as in scum roles) is?

I know it's a bit open ended. Answer however you would like. I am asking about strategy. Assuming you are town, it will be helpful for scum hunting. Assuming you are scum, it may also be helpful for scum hunting.
Jack A T and TheDarkStar:

PTDFun: A quick question with regard to your attack on TheDarkStar: When looking at his early inactivity, did you take into account the fact that 2 of those 6 days were during the night, when nobody could post?

That is a good point that I did not take into account.

Extend, post coming up.
Being sick + depressed + == 
Sorry for being that one IC x_x
^{Who's like, inactive. But I'm active :x}

Tiruin: I am sorry that you have been sick and depressed, and that RL has been a pain in your butt the past few weeks. (To be clear, I am being entirely genuine.) With that said, you might want to get a replacement rather than trying to juggle this game (a lesser obligation) with things in RL that have consequences. I'm new, so I don't know how that works for an IC, but it's worth considering and completely acceptable.
TheDarkStar:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Also, have you posted your reads yet? Even if Kansa has posted them, I want to see your reads.

My remaining reads are posted below.

What are examples of my defensive posting? You can say whatever you want, but it is useless unless you include evidence.

Evidence:
Reply 189 was a request to reread thread to get a good understanding of what is going on. (sounds great)
Reply 195 gave initial reads.
Reply 239 gave updated reads and questions.
Reply 246 is defensive. Long defense, little offense. The only questions are in the snipped quote below.

Why do you suddenly think I am scum now?
2. borno is new too, right?
4. Why do you think borno wasn't voting for tn because he thought tn was scum?
6. Updated read list?
Why are you voting someone who seems unsure who to vote for?

Reply 258 is defense.
Reply 261 is offense.
Reply 271 is defense against me.
So, out of the four posts (there were other posts, but they didn't contribute anything to the game) that followed your reads, three were defensive (or 2.5, if I'm going to be generous).

Yes, Fniff was inactive. That's why he requested replacement - he didn't think he could spend enough time playing this.

Yup. I'm keeping that in mind. It's still a point against.

PTDFun: Why didn't you vote for me? Also, Kansa was even less active than me. Why do you think that Fniff's inaction is more significant than Kansa's inaction?

I didn't vote for you because
(a) I am still trying to figure out how this game works. From my previous reading of the thread it seems that FOS is the way to communicate a threat to another player to extract information without the risk entailed of voting for them.
(b) I am not convinced enough to want to kill you yet.
(c)

LARD:
1. RVS has been over for a while now.

I cannot vote for Kansa, now can I? It would be absurd to self-vote whether I am mafia or townie. Fniff's inaction is more significant to me because I know Kansa's role and I don't know Fniff's. Both had an excuse of being busy. I still hold it as a point against you in the same way that LARD holds it against me.

Finally,

I'll detail the reasons for why I think Jack A T and RangerCado are scum later, but at least one if not two of the scum are in the list of tn5421, borno, Jack A T, and RangerCado.

Reply 231 opted out of giving the reads above.

My ideas about who the scum are are semi-irrelevant now in light of who has died, although Ranger and Jack are not off my suspicion list. Also, due to voting a guy who flipped townie, LARD is also on my suspicion list until I got through posts in detail.

I would like to know why you thought Jack A T and RangerCado are scum prior to the nightfall.

My reads:

LARD: Town leaning.

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I like his statements here:

My point was that I like to have unbalancing forces in the game, such as an edgy player like tn5421.

tn5421 seems to me like a rather twitchy player, possibly indicating scum, but more likely indicating unfamiliarity with this forum's playstyle. In any case, he will be useful to stir things up and get reactions, just like I was in my first game.
Sorry, no time to respond further.

I am surprised tn5421 was killed by mafia. His use of misdirection and lack of asking questions in those posts made him look scummy. Mafia should have kept him alive as a decoy. (I'll come back to this when I finish catching up)

I think that his two statements answer my question about tn5421. DarkPaladin was lurky, but I think that LARD has mostly redeemed that. I like his points about Jack A T seeming a little suspicious:

Jack: seems to be almost running the show, or maybe that's just because you're the most active IC.

Jack: You seem to be spending a large amount of your time commenting on other peoples questions. This makes it seem like you are pushing attention to other people's problems.  I guess you never want to attract too much attention to yourself, but it does seem like you are pushing random people without any order.

Finally, the fact that LARD is suspicious of Kansa is a point in his favor. This game isn't personal. The fact that he suspects me for the actions of my predecessor makes sense. He also is not distorting anything since his case against me consists of a valid complaint about luckiness (which I am attempting to refute by my actions).

What do you think of Deathsword? He and Scripten have arguably been as lurky as Kansa.
Deathsword: Null to slightly scummy.

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Scripten was a little active at the beginning. Since then, both he and deathsword have been mostly inactive with deathsword posting:

Well, damn. I replaced in for Scripten (No idea why MOWE hasn't changed the OP or said it here, but I got the role PM), but it's sad to see so many leave at once. I'll give the thread a read and post my views, shouldn't take too long.

scripten/Deathsword: Y'need to post more buddy.

I ate something yesterday that... well, let's just say the result wasn't exactly good.

On that note, hope everything is OK in South America!

World Cup still a few weeks away, which is when the metaphorical feces will hit the fan. Still, thanks for the thought.

Because I don't really care about this game's outcome, borno.

Might I ask why?

Well, from the looks of it this game has been going kind of slowly. Some questions so I can get some reads on players:

Borno: How much do you think you've learned about the game since those BMs so many(two, I think) years ago? What are your reads on the ICs?

Cado: How scummy do you consider buddying to be, seeing as there were accusations you were involved in the act?

PPE:

borno: Active, but tunneling. Slight scum lean. If scum, then RangerCado is probably also scum.
tn5421: Slight scum lean due to odd behavior, but (as Jack says) that could be unrelated to scumminess. If scum, then Jack A T is probably also scum.
RangerCado: Slight scum lean. Possibly borno's scumbuddy if borno is scum.
Jack A T: Slight scum lean due to waving away problems with tn5421's argument. Probably tn5421's scumbuddy if tn5421 is scum

Could you also elaborate on why you basically created two possible scumteams there? (bolded relevant parts). Why would the scum team be, say, borno and Cado instead of borno and Jack?

Sorry for dropping like that, but I had internet problems due to a damaged cable as well as tests. That's all done though.

Whats your take on buddying, if I may ask as well?

It depends a lot on meta. For instance, Tiruin buddying is null, since she tends to do that regardless of alignment. If I don't know someone's meta, or if their meta goes against buddying, then I'd question them.

I didn't suspect borno or tn (although I found tn's resignation from defending himself odd) so the only thing that changed is that I find TDS somewhat scummier.

More comming, I have to go now.

Extend

Just got an internship and am quite tired. I'll try to post later after resting a bit.

I am assuming that Deathsword's statements about RL are completely true. Still, inactivity benefits the mafia.

Jack A T: There's a lot of content to go through. The fact that Jack A T is an IC makes it harder for me. Null read.

If that is not an option, then at least answer this: What possible motives are there for killing tn5421 other than avoiding being blocked?

A few posts back, in a spoiler addressed to TheDarkStar (spoilers being a useful way to organize posts.  Do read spoilers not addressed to you.  It's worthwhile.), I listed a few of the many, many possibilities.

I'm having trouble finding the spoiler addressed to TheDarkStar you mention. Would you mind linking to it or giving me the reference number?
I need to take a break. I'll EBWOP my read of RangerCado later tonight.

[PTDfun]

EBWOP: lurkiness* (stupid spelling)

[TheDarkStar]

This question still needs answering. If TheDarkStar doesn't want to answer, then I'll refer it to his replacement.
TheDarkStar and Tiruin:

What do you think the best way to play mafia (as in scum roles) is?

I know it's a bit open ended. Answer however you would like. I am asking about strategy. Assuming you are town, it will be helpful for scum hunting. Assuming you are scum, it may also be helpful for scum hunting.

TheDarkStar:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

-snip-

Evidence:
Reply 189 was a request to reread thread to get a good understanding of what is going on. (sounds great)
Reply 195 gave initial reads.
Reply 239 gave updated reads and questions.
Reply 246 is defensive. Long defense, little offense. The only questions are in the snipped quote below.

Why do you suddenly think I am scum now?
2. borno is new too, right?
4. Why do you think borno wasn't voting for tn because he thought tn was scum?
6. Updated read list?
Why are you voting someone who seems unsure who to vote for?

Reply 258 is defense.
Reply 261 is offense.
Reply 271 is defense against me.
So, out of the four posts (there were other posts, but they didn't contribute anything to the game) that followed your reads, three were defensive (or 2.5, if I'm going to be generous).

Yes, Fniff was inactive. That's why he requested replacement - he didn't think he could spend enough time playing this.

Yup. I'm keeping that in mind. It's still a point against.

PTDFun: Why didn't you vote for me? Also, Kansa was even less active than me. Why do you think that Fniff's inaction is more significant than Kansa's inaction?

I didn't vote for you because
(a) I am still trying to figure out how this game works. From my previous reading of the thread it seems that FOS is the way to communicate a threat to another player to extract information without the risk entailed of voting for them.
(b) I am not convinced enough to want to kill you yet.
(c)

LARD:
1. RVS has been over for a while now.

I cannot vote for Kansa, now can I? It would be absurd to self-vote whether I am mafia or townie. Fniff's inaction is more significant to me because I know Kansa's role and I don't know Fniff's. Both had an excuse of being busy. I still hold it as a point against you in the same way that LARD holds it against me.

Finally,

I'll detail the reasons for why I think Jack A T and RangerCado are scum later, but at least one if not two of the scum are in the list of tn5421, borno, Jack A T, and RangerCado.

Reply 231 opted out of giving the reads above.

My ideas about who the scum are are semi-irrelevant now in light of who has died, although Ranger and Jack are not off my suspicion list. Also, due to voting a guy who flipped townie, LARD is also on my suspicion list until I got through posts in detail.

I would like to know why you thought Jack A T and RangerCado are scum prior to the nightfall.

[/quote]

1. The best way to play Mafia is exactly like town in the day, except for those times when you push someone towards lynching who is innocent. During the night, try to kill those people who either have dangerous power roles or who are good players. Sometimes it makes sense to kill people who suspect you; sometimes it doesn't. It all depends on what people will be left.

2. You have an odd way to count. Why do you call my main question post something other than offensive? If you include that important one (especially what I ask the people I suspect), I have about as many offensive posts as defensive ones. Also, it doesn't have to end in a question mark to demand a response. Why did you make it seem like I was being much more defensive than I was?

3. People tend not to have too much control over some things in RL - if he doesn't have time, he doesn't have time. Why do you see this as scummy?

4. It doesn't matter if someone else is using that logic - if it's a bad argument, it's a bad argument. At this point, your argument against me is that I'm defensive - but that isn't all that true, despite the way that you are portraying things.

5. I did not think Jack A T and RangerCado were scum; I thought they (along with others) were scummy. It wasn't as much specific things as the general feel I got from reading things; my results from reading things in detail are already posted. I've said this several times; why do you ask me again?

[Silthuri]

Votecount:

• LARD:
• TheDarkStar: Jack A T (1)
• Deathsword:
• RangerCado: TheDarkStar (1)
• PTDfun: LARD (1)
• Jack A T:
• Tiruin:

Not voting: PTDfun, Deathsword, RangerCado, Tiruin

Day two has been extended and will end Wednesday at 10 pm EST.

There are no more extends available today.

TheDarkStar has requested replacement!

[PTDfun]

Final read.
RangerCado: Town lean.
He has been consistently inquisitive to other players while being scattershot in their topics. The former gives credibility that he is actually trying to figure things out. The latter gives credibility that he has no prior agenda.

Jack A T and RangerCado:

*RangerCado: Part of both major lynch pushes in day 1.  After initially FoSing tn5421 for vague reasons largely relating to tn's poor playstyle, what finally got RangerCado to vote for him was tn's breakdown and decision to let himself die.  Of all of tn's attackers, Cado had the least reason to attack.  However, RangerCado withdrew soon after I did, for much the same reason that I did.

RangerCado then started the main push against borno.  The focus was on borno's failure to do much beyond attacking tn5421.  Borno didn't do much to get rid of that.

Overall: slight scum lean, primarily gut-based.  I await that more substantial post he's promised.

I read what follows this in the thread, but I couldn't see if this ^ actually got resolved, is currently being resolved, or has been passed over. I'm also interested in the more substantial post (which may already be written somewhere). Thanks for understanding that I'm trying.

[LARD]

Hey PTDfun, nice to see you here.
Alright, in a side note Jack about this

LARD: If you had just replaced in, and had only read early posts in the thread, do you think you would be able or willing to post anything long and detailed about the game?

It was simply a pressure vote to get the game moving and to get you (PTDfun) more invested in the game.  Now that you are here, I have a whole new list of questions.

Why did you ask that question about the best way to play scum?  Was the scum IC not responding in mafia chat?  Seriously, it just seems like you're asking how you should play scum.  As I said though, it's not a bad piece of evidence against you because if you were scum, you would just ask talk in scumchat.

Could you state your reasons for accusing TDS that haven't been said by the other players, or more specifically, Jack?

When you give your reads, the one you are least suspicious of, it seems, is me. Now to me that seems like you are buddying me. You're just making yourself seem more suspicious.

However, earlier I was suspicious of TDS, and if we reach day end with a tie, then I would not be adverse to changing my vote to him to avoid it. I want to hear what PTD has to say about this yet.

As for reads on Deathsword, I just don't have one. He's not active enough. I couldn't say one way or the other.

[Jack A T]

A few posts back, in a spoiler addressed to TheDarkStar (spoilers being a useful way to organize posts.  Do read spoilers not addressed to you.  It's worthwhile.), I listed a few of the many, many possibilities.

I'm having trouble finding the spoiler addressed to TheDarkStar you mention. Would you mind linking to it or giving me the reference number?

PTDfun: The list I referred to is the quote immediately after the material you quoted.  Clicking on the timestamp for that quote would lead you to the post (link here) the quote was from.

I read what follows this in the thread, but I couldn't see if this ^ actually got resolved, is currently being resolved, or has been passed over. I'm also interested in the more substantial post (which may already be written somewhere). Thanks for understanding that I'm trying.

The substantial post Cado promised was this.  In addition, my read of Cado has changed little: still slightly off, primarily gut.

Questions:
*I noticed in your reads that you say you like several of LARD's posts.  It doesn't help much to just say you like certain posts.  Why do you like the ones you like?
*You seem comfortable using Fniff's low activity against TheDarkStar.  Considering Fniff quit due to finding the game too advanced for him, is Fniff's inactivity worth all that much against TheDarkStar?

TheDarkStar: Sad to see you have to leave.  While you're still here, and still posting, and still responding to attacks and questions (with a certain consistent notable omission), would you be so kind to respond to mine and the associated questions, including the important questions from the start of the day about your current vote?

When you give your reads, the one you are least suspicious of, it seems, is me. Now to me that seems like you are buddying me. You're just making yourself seem more suspicious.

LARD: Can you give more detail here?  What makes it come off as buddying?

Regarding Fniff and his replacement request: Fniff replaced not due to real life/lacking time to play, but due to finding the game too advanced.
MyOwnWorstEnemy: When we need a replacement, please indicate that in the thread title.

[Jack A T]

Oh, and MyOwnWorstEnemy: Please warn RangerCado.

RangerCado: You've been gone for quite some time now.  When you get back, please give your opinions of each of the cases advanced today.

[LARD]

LARD: Town leaning.

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I like his statements here:

My point was that I like to have unbalancing forces in the game, such as an edgy player like tn5421.

tn5421 seems to me like a rather twitchy player, possibly indicating scum, but more likely indicating unfamiliarity with this forum's playstyle. In any case, he will be useful to stir things up and get reactions, just like I was in my first game.
Sorry, no time to respond further.

I am surprised tn5421 was killed by mafia. His use of misdirection and lack of asking questions in those posts made him look scummy. Mafia should have kept him alive as a decoy. (I'll come back to this when I finish catching up)

I think that his two statements answer my question about tn5421. DarkPaladin was lurky, but I think that LARD has mostly redeemed that. I like his points about Jack A T seeming a little suspicious:

Jack: seems to be almost running the show, or maybe that's just because you're the most active IC.

Jack: You seem to be spending a large amount of your time commenting on other peoples questions. This makes it seem like you are pushing attention to other people's problems.  I guess you never want to attract too much attention to yourself, but it does seem like you are pushing random people without any order.

Finally, the fact that LARD is suspicious of Kansa is a point in his favor. This game isn't personal. The fact that he suspects me for the actions of my predecessor makes sense. He also is not distorting anything since his case against me consists of a valid complaint about luckiness (which I am attempting to refute by my actions).

He doesn't elaborate any more than to say that he likes my points.  While I like that somebody appreciates my points, if that somebody is mafia it changes things a bit.  I feel like he is just trying to make me like him.  And I do, but I still think he's probably mafia.

[Tiruin]

Continued

Sorry for the wait

Tiruin: I am sorry that you have been sick and depressed, and that RL has been a pain in your butt the past few weeks. (To be clear, I am being entirely genuine.) With that said, you might want to get a replacement rather than trying to juggle this game (a lesser obligation) with things in RL that have consequences. I'm new, so I don't know how that works for an IC, but it's worth considering and completely acceptable.

I'm not aiming for a replacement because...I know I can do this--the game has enough replacements queued already (though they are technically still playing, only until they are confirmed replaced).


Borno is lynched and pops up Town. Tn is then killed.
While it is conventional wisdom to not deliberate on an NK of this matter--it is useful to think about and ponder why, though. Tracing how the now-cleared suspects interacted and their value to people would give a hint as to what the cause for murder was, though it would be not good to dwell on it too much.

Now if any of them were scum, however, then value could be given more to their words--scum either wish to isolate themselves from their partners, or they work together with their partners and provide a vague yet apparent smokescreen now that the cover is up. The tip on these situations is to see the minute details instead of what general tips I'm giving right now and work from there.

That was... unexpected.

Point like this.
Why is it unexpected TDS? What did you think of them?

Tiruin:
What do you think of yesterday's events? What do you vote now? What are your reads?

Currently I'd...honestly abstain from voting at the moment. Really bad stuffs as of late and morale is at an all time low that I haven't focused much here, so rather I'd look back on my notes and check--who seems too be aggressive in such a way that it doesn't need aggression? Maybe that person is pushing for a slip all too eagerly? Who seems to be using brevity in such a way that there is too general a viewpoint on them to glean any pertinent information? Maybe there either is something with how their viewpoint is, or they're using a logical smokescreen.

As of yesterday's event at the time of this question--my reads still stay the same (tn [deceased] had a null read, yet I was a bit curious about how he saw things. There was that tinge of self-centric focus, but he was also contemplative in countering borno. Cado has a null-towny read given how he words his posts, choosing more to be sincerely altruistic and transparent [given the context of such posts] rather than hide or be secretive. Unsure on Kansa given lack of read into her (his?) posts. But I am very ashamed I couldn't do anything about her or...help her at all. Jack is null/towny given the amount of context he's giving, and that he's carrying the IC team and I'm dead weight >_>. Tiruin would be saying Tiruin is town but the silly thing is, it's the same thing she's say if she was scum, in most general situations. So my read on myself should best be discerned by you peoples. :v)

LARD

Tiruin: Same as Jack but vice versa.  Also moderate town. But I can't read experienced players very well. I would like to see her opinions on Jack.

What's holding you back from reading experience? Any details on that?

Jack and Tiruin As the IC's I would like to see you two go head to head because it would be instructive and interesting. If one of you is scum then I would like to know sooner rather than later because later you will be rallying the town to attack itself because that's what good scum does.

If that is not an option, then at least answer this: What possible motives are there for killing tn5421 other than avoiding being blocked?

Ok? So let's say I'm scum--what can you infer from my words since before?
Note: Nobody would declaim themselves directly as scum--while it may be done in jest, its...more of cheap play. >.> Hard to descrbe.
Query on the orange part: Yes that's what good scum does, so take in my first sentence here--what if one of us was scum? What would you--or possibly the rest of you who aren't ICs, do?

Also possible motives? I have no idea where you got that notion of avoiding being blocked (where did you get that idea?) but possibly to narrow down...townies. :v
I have no idea, sincerely. If I was scum, I'd delegate my choice to my partner (though obviously giving my opinion on the matter) but let them choose--because it would be teaching them how to make a decision. Like that ol' adage of teaching a man how to fish as opposed to giving them fish only.

MOWE is bad mod...

MOWE is good mod D:<
Tiruin is bad mod! She can't even get her last BM flavor up because worries! >_<
MOWE is good mod :<

PTDfun

TheDarkStar and Tiruin: What do you think the best way to play mafia (as in scum roles) is?

Do not rely on the role and instead define the role by your own playstyle and your own scumhunting. The role is like a crutch or a support to your goal, but it does not define how you play. (unless you're a jester, but that ain't mafia :v)
Like a poisoner--you hit a guy at night, they die next...time tmorrow after day but before night. So you plan in advance who to pick, and 'scumhunt' on the others that aren't your target--usually said target is the one you'd choose as a 'safecard' or someone you don't necessarily suspect but isn't Mafia so you won't kill your own people. :v

Tiruin: I know that RL keeps getting in the way, but I also think you are slightly on the scummy side. Difficulties in RL serve as legitimate grounds for lurking (which benefit the mafia). You have managed to make a few posts, but I did not find them to contribute much.

Valid, though it is wrong.
Assuming someone would use RL as a scapegoat is a...universal NO. in Mafia. It is disgust on the player, the principle, the role and the spirit of the game.

The normal (and yet unspoken) rule regarding people asking for a replacement is: Assume it is for legitimate reasons despite ANYTHING the player acts in game (even if said player is an immature jerk, leave it be...at least they have the...dignity to ask for a replacement).
If the player states RL as the reason--then it should be assumed that RL is giving heck for delaying in playing a game. However, notes of concern should also be posted so in such a case that RL is too much--the player would still know people care [like in this game :-[]

I'd ask what exactly isn't it contributing? Yes, I agree that it isn't in some ways, but what.../isn't\?
On that note: No, an IC or a player [IC is just a tag for me :v] will not use RL as grounds for lurking--that's just scummy, in out-of-mafia context of the word.
HOWEVER, lurking in the case of posting everywhere else? That is legitimate grounds for suspicion--howeve,r should be followed up by a query at first, if ever the case happens.


Will try geting a post up before Thursday end. I can make it.
...What is EST in regard to GMT?

[Jack A T]

Quick post:
Tiruin: Good to see you here again.

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