Extend.There are still quite a few things that need discussed before nightfall.
NerjinOkay, had lunch, went out and did some stuff. Realized my intense paranoia about Birdy51 was helping on one. So now I’m back and ready to do rereads. Just like last time I shall be putting a summary of my two earlier posts on the person at the beginning of their spoiler. For obvious reasons I shall be excluding Hapah and TolyK in this read. {Hint: It’s because they’re dead and town.}
[1]So I have a question for you before I do anything else. Did your power give you any insight into Toaster? If so, what did it tell you?
So my case on Birdy was based on the fact that when questioned about why he asked Cheetar “Are you happy with your role?” Instead of saying “I was just curious” or some such like that he instead grew REALLY defensive. His reason for this? He didn’t trust the intent of the question “Why did you ask this?” and so he dodged it. That at the time was enough to send my suspicion way up. Let’s see what I think now shall we?
Ugh... I detest voting what is now essentially a hammer vote, being a hypocrite, and going against my words. But as it stands, if the day were to end right now it would be a No Lynch, which is arguably a pretty poor arrangement.
So, given that I'm not overly bothered by TolyK and I won't vote for myself, I'll throw my vote on Nerjin. I do agree with [him] though. With as many people who aren't active, it may be a good time to move onto Day 2. This time there will not be an extension from me.
That said, if one passes, I'll revert to no voting, and let those who are still actively participating take care of business. But at some point we do have to move forward.
This point right here is what threw me into a red-alert faze. Not because I'm being voted. But because of the reasoning. Remember Birdy51 had asked for a replacement. Yet they seem pretty keen on staying in the game and have posted quite a bit. They just throw their vote on me like a piece of cold bologna and then say "I don't really believe in this but we don't have enough active players so let's go onto Day 2." They proceed to vote one of the more active players with no reason given other than "Let's get this over with." They do later rescind this vote but only after being called out on it.
Several of their following posts state things along the lines of “I’m gonna die. Oh well, it’s good for town.” Which sounds nice but means absolutely nothing and struck me as trying to play to the towns emotion.
You also referred to “Always push forward your wincon.” In not so many words but I’m paraphrasing. In a post not too long after you stated that you were most suspicious of NQT.
[2] You want to point out why? Maybe build an actual case?I also have one other ability that would make for an excellent gag, and had the potential to stop the scum team cold. It involves rekilling people. ^.^
[3]Oh really? Wonder why scum didn’t kill you then. I understand though, I have a hard time killing my friends as well.[4]Your little please contained quite a few “I swear I’ll find something.” How disappointed are you that you didn’t find a damn thing?
[5]A calmer question here: Are you still seeking replacement?
Summary: Well played. You’re now my #1 scum pick. Your actions last night seemed to be nothing but desperation and appeals that your role was worth keeping you alive. I’m am 99% certain you are scum considering you do the following:
1. Claim your power role can do all that AND a bag of chips [Investigate and stop Scum team cold] despite this your role apparently didn’t do very much. Odd isn’t it? Care to explain your “Rekilling people” power?
2. You dodged questions for a horrid reason [You didn’t trust the questioner’s intent. Really?]
3.
[6]Your vote on me was placed there for no real reason [You just wanted the day to end so it didn’t matter to you who died].4. You never actually built a case on NQT who you stated was your #1 scum-pick.
PPE: Birdy, you should know by now that I compile my views on EVERYONE before I post them in my "Read n' Post" or "Readstraveganza" [I like the former name better]. So worry not. Like the passive aggressiveness though. [Also, out of game note: Have fun with the show stuff!]
I probably should have known your penchant for longer posts yes.
However, my statement stands. I am Town, and I have absolutely no qualms with saying it at this point. Despite this, I am no any better of a Townie. Just saying it doesn't make it true, so your case and your suspicion is justified. There is not a trace of passive aggressiveness in that statement. It's just how things are.
Now, I've organized the questions and statements that needed responding to. Forgive for cherrypicking a bit on the statements, but when I do that I either answered the question earlier or silently disagree with you.
[1] No. My power did not give me insight into Toaster. However, as strong point is made that hiding the nature of what happened last night isn't going to help anyone, especially with his claim. I was Protected last night, and that was the only action taken upon me. That is the extent of my knowledge on the subject that isn't theory crafting.
[2] My basis of that comment is one thing.
A. I was fully expecting to die at that point in time. At those sort of moments in your life, you generally want to go ahead and give out any last reads. NQT has yet to address the fact that I never addressed him with an RVS question. That struck me as odd, especially given the caliber of player that NQT is. If he's Townie, he's being neglectful. If he's scum, he's avoiding stirring up any trouble that might cause people to bat an eye. Going through the motions is easy. Causing a stir is a bit more risky, as you have seen personified in myself.
That said, the main reason that I would rather not pursue the argument is the fact that I'm trying to get out the door before Les Miserables smashes it down and uses said door as a part of the barricade. I would rather not have any replacement of mine's game even further altered by even more shenanigans on my part.
[3] I'll just go ahead and explain this one in detail. I'm already likely to be a target, but at least this time I can do something about it if I guess correctly.
It's called
Rerun. It forces the target player to retake the action that they performed the night prior. Apply to a scum player, and voila! They would be forced to take the factional kill repeatedly… Over and over and over again. A groundhog's day nightmare.
[4] I am reasonably disappointed. I was hoping that I would be targeted by more people, but the scum team must have been smart enough to know that doctors will protect their cops.
[5] Yes.
[6] Also yes. I really just wanted the day to end. If I recall,
you just wanted the day to end quickly as well. However, as it stood at that hour, all votes were tied. Other people weren't voting, so someone had to take action. I did take action and nearly took a bullet to the brain for it.
((That said… I regret nothing. That night was pretty awesome and it cheered me up significantly.))
CheetarBirdy51Last night, after claiming detective, you were either protected from night kill by a doctor (more likely) or you weren't targeted for night kill by scum. This means you can finally tell us how the hell your role works, instead of keeping it a secret from us, and why you couldn't perform last night- do you think you were roleblocked, or what? Keeping us in the dark isn't helping.
Birdy, why do you think you haven't been targeted for any night kills?
Likely because I had made too much of a fuss. To put it simply, I'm not an easy target.
Don't put it simply- tell it to us with as much detail as you can. You are not helping town right now by obscuring detail.
I as I mentioned to Nerjin… Doctors protect cops.
ImpBirdy:
Birdy, why do you think you haven't been targeted for any night kills?
Likely because I had made too much of a fuss. To put it simply, I'm not an easy target.
What does your "made too much of a fuss" have to do with "not [being] an easy [night kill] target"?
When you say "made too much of a fuss", are you talking about your posts in this thread or something else?
The only way I could advance the Town Wincon, is to prevent my own death and allow myself a chance to take a Night Action. Assuming I'm still alive in the morning (Which, at this point is probably a fat chance), I should have some rudimentary information to work with.
Regardless, my death should provide some information for the Town to work with. Hopefully, my corpse can be used as a stepping stone for further operations.
@Birdy51
I am confident I can find something over night. My role power is conducive to something like that happening. I'll vote myself if I fail to find anything.
Get to voting boy. I'll help you along, Birdy51. I am still certain that you're scum.
I did find something, it's just that the something is not a lot to go off of. At the time, I was hoping for a more definitive result, but it's clear I missed my mark.
I am too tired right now to form a coherent question about this, so posting it as a reminder to myself to ask about it. The core of my question is that I want Birdy to explain his thinking/reasoning/rationale/expectations as to why he felt that his survival through morning of D2 was "the only way [he] could advance the Town Wincon".
Birdy, if you get around to explaining that before I have time to properly phrase the question(s), that'll be great. If not, clearer question(s) about it when I can.
Theory time… Bear with me for a little bit.
I would like to assume that there is a certain level of scummitude some characters need to escape the wolves(Scum) and avoid frightening the lambs(Town). A players who accomplish both of these things, survives. For instance, take Hapah. I suspect that the only reason whatsoever he was killed, was that he was a wallflower. He wasn't taking risks, and caught the backhand of the scum team for it. I would dare anyone here to claim otherwise.
However, there is also such a thing as being "too Townie". If you truly establish yourself as a Townie, you’re also likely to wake up in the morning dead. This is why cops never claim, unless they are certain that they have found something. In my case however, I truly though I was lynchmeat. So at that point, there was nothing I felt that I needed to hide in order to live.
What I didn't expect, was that people were actually considering keeping me around in more ways than one. If I could escape the lynch with the claim that I was a cop, I fully expected the scum team to come running to kill me full throttle. Conversely, I knew there was likely a Townie who would want to keep me alive.
In other words, I could eat a NK attempt, know that someone tried to kill me, and thus take the necessary actions to figure who that person was. Unfortunately however, I caused too much trouble. They likely knew I was going to be protected… At least for tonight. That's what I meant for making too much of a fuss. A successful night kill on me would have been a dicey business.
I suppose that is the only reason I'm still here.
ToasterBirdy: If you are still looking for a replacement, you probably should make it more obvious, since it's not in the thread title.
You're right. I have gone ahead and PMed Webadict about the matter.
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