So, I went back and did a re-read [as you all should do], and found something interesting happening at the end of D3.
Hapah and Theodolus were all buddying it up right at day end. The voting stood at:
Flying Dice - Hapah, CA, myself
Me - Tiruin, Theodolus
Note that FD flipped scum, and Theodolus flipped town. Obviously, Hapah and Theodolus couldn't have been scumbuddies.
Chaos Armor, as I've stated previously, I feel is pretty likely to be town. After looking back over the tail end of D3, I'm inclined to think that Hapah is most likely town as well.
Why? Assume Hapah was scum there. He'd know FD is also scum, and he'd know that I am town. Given that he'd been calling out FD and myself as a scumteam all of D3, it wouldn't have been terribly suspicious for him to have switched his vote to me, citing that Theodolus convinced him that I was scummier. Town mislynch, game over if doc misses. Even if there wasn't an NK, he'd be set up to bus FD on D4 and try again that night. But he didn't switch his vote, and FD got lynched and flipped scum. Still assuming Hapah's scum, now he would be coming into D4 as solo scum, looking at a 4pMYLO at best, or 5p at worst.
So, from my perspective, that leaves Tiruin as the last scum.
Tiruin, Hapah: Since you both seem to think I'm scum, please explain to me why I went through the trouble of bussing my scumbuddy D3.
Here, I'm thinking about what you said in that underlined portion in the first spoiler. You're going about and linking everyone up based on flips with little reasoning as to why you state so. You didn't even question me during the third day in other aspects in relation to scumhunting, until now. After 'reasoning out' everyone else.
Come to think of it: Everyone: As it is MYLO, and we've gleaned much information today, what about a no-lynch for now. Tomorrow, we can resume the pace (if or if not there is a kill). Now I'm not against FD's lynch today, but something isn't right with the current state of affairs and on the vote patterns and I'm not having that much of a scum-feel on him.
Well, unless we can still Extend, that is.
So Tiruin, knowing that this is MYLO, which means a mislynch equals a town loss, says he's not against FD's lynch, but at the same time isn't getting much of a scum-feel on him. That's a pretty wishy-washy attitude to be having when the outcome of the game is on the line. I like how he's trying to toss out the idea of a no-lynch suddenly as well. Interesting that the only person who bites on the idea is Flying Dice ...
Addressing this, why I thought about the latter part of the statement was because his attitude was much like mine if the previous BMs (those walls of text)
but I also saw irregularities with his behavior which led me to try an idea that I had, seeing if anyone would no-lynch or not and their statement on why (because anyone would obviously give one).
Next is, there were 3 votes on FD. 2 from the (currently surviving) active players, and one from CA, who has net problems.
Also, the last line did affirm it:
Tiruin: In terms of the "mislynch", I was referring to the fact that we're in MYLO and will autolose if we lynch one of our own. Thanks to that tunnel, I haven't really been paying enough attention to behavior or interactions (or doing enough investigating of my own) to place a vote that would be anything other than a random guess, which is about the last thing we want to do in a situation like this. As per the above, I unvoted. I don't have any suspicions great enough to warrant a vote at the moment, as I've been going back over things and am fairly sure that CA is town, given the tone of his responses when not coloured by my own concentration on the investigation.
On that other note, I'd almost forgotten that that was an option. I don't really see any downside to a no-lynch; if the scum don't NK anyone, we're in the same position; if they NK someone, we're at LYLO (essentially the same situation, except that we have better odds of nailing a scumbag). So in short, it costs us nothing but time and gives us better odds of lynching scum (and thus not losing)? Unless I see something massive in the next few hours, that seems like the best option to me. No-Lynch
I'd prefer if we avoid extending, as it seems to kill interest (and I have no idea when my boss will drop another load of shit on me).
Hapah: So, basically, what your case on me amounts to is that I was "being cozy" with FD. Looking back at my posts, I think one could argue that I was also "being cozy" with IronyOwl, who flipped town. I've also barely had any (non-IC) interaction with Theodolus, and he flipped town too.
So what exactly is so remarkable about my interactions with Flying Dice as opposed to my interactions with any other player this game?
Why did I find his actions scummy on D3 and not before? Because I was tunneling Deathsword D2, and RL-busy most of early D3. D1 I was on vacation for most of it, and the rest of my time was sifting through all the newtells, ICing, and focusing on borno/DS.
Furthermore, does it even really seem to make sense that Flying Dice (who is, IMO, one of the stronger players in this game) and I (who is an IC), coupled with the advice of a scum-IC would produce a series of interactions that anyone would look at and think "hey, those two look pretty cozy together"? I can tell you right now that if I was on a scumteam with Flying Dice, I would have been damn sure to not be softballing him at all.
In so far as your point about bussing him being the best choice in a bad lot, I disagree. If I was scum, I'd be pushing for a no-lynch from the start of MYLO.
[And, speaking of "cozy behavior", it's a good thing FD did flip scum (well, for multiple reasons, but bear with me) because if he hadn't and Theo was still alive, you can bet your ass you two would be on the chopping block for your fireside chat at the end of D3. Don't do that sort of thing again, please. You too, Theo.]
Also, clarification: Is your bussing question aimed at me as a player or as an IC?
I don't get the last bolded part.
And I think the cozy behavior was because you stated about not questioning someone, with a vote.
Another question, what impact does this statement have on you and what do you feel about it?
Shakerag: You have to understand that you don't look very good to me right now; considering the biggest tell I saw was the interaction between you and FD and he flipped scum. The only way I see for you to get out of my vote is to build a very convincing case on someone else (ie Tir). It's a tall order, but everyone gets their chance. What have you got?
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