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[Ochita]

D:
Well... Norrec isn't fascist! I know it!

[IronyOwl]

I shouldn't be so surprised that so many dwarves want to be communists. Oh well.

Tholtig, your neutralness is highly suspicious!

Wh- I don't know what you're talking about. Surely you don't think I would have joined the Neutrals, do you?


Anyway, I'd probably fit in well with the Goldguards and Intellectuals, and to a lesser extent Industrialists.

For Goldguards, grand buildings, displays of wealth and prosperity, and hoarding valuables are all hallmarks of a good dwarven fortress. Proper caste relations is kinda meh, and poor relations with other nations is a no-no, however.

With Intellectuals, good ties with other nations, a small military, and exploring strange phenomena is pretty good, with education for all dwarves being sort of neutral HAHA JUST KIDDING, I'm just not sure how it would work out.

On Industrialists, focus on manufacturing is good, as is concentration of wealth in upper-class (meaning more useful) dwarves. Treating poor dwarves poorly doesn't really seem necessary, and maximum exploitation seems a bit hasty and extreme; we don't HAVE to mine out ALL the gold RIGHT NOW, or anything.


NINJA'D: This makes me a Progressive Conservative Capitalist. Or would I be a Conservative Progressive Capitalist? Or a Capitalistic Progressive Conservative, or...?

[Shade-o]

Economically conservative, socially progressive capitalist.

[elitetaco3519]

Ok, on an unrelated, related note; I call any position to spread propaganda. Y'know like: the only good goblin is a dead goblin, big brother is watching you, do your work or else the communist goblins will win, et cetra, et centra.

[V-Norrec]

From strongest support to weakest support

Doomguards
Goldguards
Raggers

I will now explain my positions as CoughDrop did in order to avoid any confusion.  (I'm not a commie bastard)

Government

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Norrec is concerned about striking the right balance of government power and dwarven freedom.  In her mind, the government hinders the creation of wealth, but is an excellent tool for forcing others to work for the good of all in situations of extreme emergency and during war.  All in all, she would be most likely to support a system with a separate executive and legislative branch, both elected, the executive by the populace at large, and the legislative by subsections of the population, divided along either class or locality depending upon the situation (i.e. how big the fort is.)

Education

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Education is only useful as long as it can create new wealth or help maintain society.  That said, she would support a rudimentary education for all children as a learned populace is more likely to come up with innovative ideas which often will increase security and wealth.  Also, it would allow for the more skilled in society to show themselves and begin taking the place of nobles who no longer deserve their lofty positions of power.

Foreign Relations

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Norrec is rather conservative in dealing with other races.  While by no means anti-foreigner, she believes evil cannot be negotiated with under any circumstances.  If she believes the other group is not truly evil though, she wouldn't mind attempting diplomacy instead of systematic extermination. 

In matters relating to trade, she would prefer to export some of the lesser crafts of the fortress, keeping the best locked away inside the fortress for only the eyes of other dwarves to see.  In exchange for these crafts she would probably purchase in the following order, 1) Exotic Food and Drink, 2) Any seeds that might be necessary for the coming planting season, 3) Goods unable to be produced at the fortress, 4) Metal, wood, bone, and other goods that can be used in the creation of more trade goods and wealth.

Military

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Norrec believes strong fortifications can deter almost any attacker.  When faced with a wall of mighty proportions, all but the most determined and seasoned of attackers will turn back rather than uselessly stand before it.  Being able to launch rocks, ballista bolts, and boiling oil from the wall helps turn attackers away as well.

The wall though is nothing without people to defend it.  She believes in a strong, professional militia, with only seasoned officers and soldiers serving full-time.  In this way, the militia will be available and able to help turn back an attack on the fortress, but during times of peace, there would be more hands to help at the farms, forges, and mines.  The militia would probably serve four months a year with 2 months being active duty/guard patrol, and the other two reserved for training to keep their skills up to par.

Immigration

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Norrec believes in giving those who are skilled and hard-working a place in the fortress before opening the fortress to others (even perhaps other races if they were to prove their loyalty to the fortress).  She would very carefully look over the food and drink supplies to make sure we wouldn't be out-growing our supplies.  Finally, any noble who came here and was looking for a hand-out of the wealth of the fortress would be promptly turned away, there is no need in this fortress for those who aren't willing to work.

There, now you know how Norrec thinks.  I guess it's kind of important since I'm on a lot and like to post in these thread   Looks like you might just have some competition CoughDrop

So what does that make me, I'd guess a Conservative Capitalist.

[Shade-o]

Conservative Communist.

[V-Norrec]

... Seeing as how I completely don't mind people being rich, I just don't want it to be decided by birth, I think that puts me out of the realm of Communist.

Also, isn't Conservative Communist an oxymoron.

[elitetaco3519]

I'm gonna have to agree with coughdrop. I like her ideals better the yours . Anyway I like having more immagrants sure they are more mouths to feed, but they are more volunteers to call up incase of emergency.
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Also, isn't Conservative Communist an oxymoron.

Nope think of Marx when he first started out. Also he said capitlism will lead to communism not like thats going to happen

[Ochita]

I'm gonna have to agree with coughdrop. I like her ideals better the yours . Anyway I like having more immagrants sure they are more mouths to feed, but they are more volunteers to call up incase of emergency.

Fortress needs food badly!

[CoughDrop]

I was actually thinking of doing a little bit on longevity of products and the environment. But seeing as dwarves aren't scientifically advanced enough to understand how many parts of the environment work, I just couldn't find a reason for Litast to care.

[DrunkDorfPally]

While I believe in various parts of many of the differing factions beliefs, Main support is for Militaristis, Godschilds,  and Royalists.

I guess I'm a religious fascist conservative w/ sympathies towards the Bells (progressives) and the traditionalists who want to make the uber fort?  XP

[Rolan7]

I'll follow CoughDrop and Norrec's lead, because it looks fun.  Also I'm changing my answers because I've swapped "classist" for "insulting".  You fools.  (Being unhappy with the caste system is class-breaker, a positive trait, not classist, which means hating those of other castes)

From strongest support to weakest support

Glimmerbells
Intellectuals
Independents

Government

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Adil would like to be governed by a small group of intellectuals, professional administrators.  Citizens have the right to ignore this council's advice, but there's a stigma, and the council can call for a referendum on any issue.  Council members have no salary, living on the rations and communal habitation available to all dwarves.  They are like monks, in a way, abandoning personal wealth for the power of leadership.

Adil values leaders, but doesn't trust them to resist corruption.

Education

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A preference for trade-related education.  Apprenticeships.  A certain basic level of general education is probably necessary until a child's calling can be identified.

Foreign Relations

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Other races are fascinating.  Adil wants to learn about other cultures and their values, even when those values are repulsive.  She supports diplomatic initiatives wherever possible, preferring peace with all sentient beings.  Once peace is established, Adil would like to influence evil cultures through the power of trade and discussion, while welcoming the influence of good or neutral cultures.  This is insanely naive, yes.

Military

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The military must patrol as much of the surrounding area as possible.  This is to keep the area secure for trade caravans, and to receive early warning of threats.  Once a threat is identified, Adil would prefer to harass it outside the fortress, weakening and demoralizing it before it even reaches the fort.  The fortress itself should make use of carved rock and artwork to appear deadly, while in fact being reasonably secure.  If the foe still doesn't flee, the great majority of the fortress population shall man the wall and fire low-quality mass-produced bolts into the enemies.  The goal is to break the enemy's spirit and convince them to run, spreading word of our mighty fortress to friends and enemies.

There is also a place for expert combatants, but Adil trusts them about as much as leaders.

Immigration

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Adil agrees completely with Norrec about immigration:

Norrec believes in giving those who are skilled and hard-working a place in the fortress before opening the fortress to others (even perhaps other races if they were to prove their loyalty to the fortress).  She would very carefully look over the food and drink supplies to make sure we wouldn't be out-growing our supplies.  Finally, any noble who came here and was looking for a hand-out of the wealth of the fortress would be promptly turned away, there is no need in this fortress for those who aren't willing to work.

Edit: Economy:  Adil supports a economic system directed by the council, with a large amount of resources dedicated towards maintaining a minimum quality of life for the council members and other citizens.  I think this would be called a planned economy.  Individual wealth is possible, but heavily taxed.

[dragonshardz]

From strongest support to weakest support

Militarists
Doomguards
Industrialists

I will now explain my positions as CoughDrop, Norrec, and others did in order to avoid any confusion.

Government

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Shem believes that it is important to have a strong government, without removing a dwarf's freedom to live as he pleases while protecting him from those who would seek to harm his physical being. As such, Shem is firmly in support of a well-defined and robust government, but he also believes that since this is a new fortress, innovations in government are acceptable and should be encouraged.

Education

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Education is important - so far as it helps the populace stay safe and alive. Knowledge that would cause the populace to take risks that would endanger the fortress should be forbidden, or at least be a challenge to gain access to. Shem believes that an apprenticeship system would work best for craftsdwarves, while an academy-like setup is best suited for military cadets. Peasants and those not in need of specialized knowledge should be given enough education that they can read and write fluently, and do basic mathematic calculations. Any further education should be managed by a University.

Foreign Relations

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Shem is mildly conservative when it comes to foreign relations - he is staunchly pro-dwarf, and will look to the betterment of his kind first. This means that non-dwarves are watched closely, but unobtrusively, when in the Warhold of Icy Cliffs.

As for trade, he's of the opinion that as long as dwarves come out on top, trade is good.

Military

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Shem believes first and foremost that the duty of the military is to serve and protect. To that end, imposing fortifications restricting outsider's access to civilians and a mid-sized standing army supplemented by a well-trained militia is a must.

Immigration

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Shem believes that immigration should be limited to two kinds of dwarf - craftsdwarves, and grunts. The first for the purposes of having a strong economy and the second for the purpose of having a strong military to defend the civilians.

So what does this make Shem? Note that I'm writing this on little sleep, so it's not as well-worded as Norrec's is - but then, Shem is a blunt and forthright dwarf, so this fits, I suppose.

[V-Norrec]

I've thought about it more, and I think you're right Shade-O, I would be fit more as a Conservative Communist because I want open movement to be possible between the rich and the poor, which is an inherently awkward notion for the dwarves.  Also, I dislike nobles, but that's a whole other story.  While not being nearly as concerned with making everyone equal in outcomes, Norrec wants to make everyone equal in opportunities.

[Shade-o]

Oh yeah, and you don't have to write up a manifesto of your political, economic and social goals. It's not like I read this thread.