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The first point I'd like to make about Jim is that he's clearly had a substantial amount of time to engage with the game. We've seen him post consistently throughout the Day, both 1 and 2. He's 'engaged' at some level. If he has the time to do that much, then he has the time to actively scum hunt, even if it might mean fewer posts. He's made a total of 32 posts in this thread after game start, if my count is correct.
Despite that, he's voted a total of three times, two of which were on Day 1, and one on Day 2 which you've all seen recently. His votes were an RVS vote on IcyTea, a vote on Tric for a post he thought was claiming or signifying third party, and a vote on 4mask according to Toaster's vote prior to that.
Everyone: Why am I self-voting?
You tell me, nerd.
I mean I know it's a BYOR but I'm reading through the thread now and it turns out I actually don't have much patience for games. IcyTea31.
Also, make sure to Leave a Comment, am I town or mafia? Well, not the latter, I propose we all say DOWN WITH THE MAFIA instead. Holds up sign with a crossed out cook.
Oh, so you are a third party. Neato. TricMagic.
Speaking of IcyTea and 4maskwolf, IcyTea and by extension 4maskwolf are mafia. I have reason to suspect we should lynch 4maskwolf first and IcyTea tomorrow (or better yet someone shoot him at night.)
I had a limited inspect I thought would be great to use on one of them as a two-for-one deal. I got a nice big red mafia result. I'm 100% not going to sit on that kind of result.
That's interesting. Also bold as fucking hell if a fake claim.
I have a hard time thinking scum Toaster is bold enough to try to push this as a fake claim.
Toaster reads better to me anyway. 4maskwolf.
Enough time to be engaged. Taking the time to make the posts. But he only votes
twice during Day 1, where we had
over 60 pages of discussion, including a frantic last-minute voting spiral? He seems engaged but not actually engaged.
He's made much mention of tedium, which
is a valid point.
I really don't have the patience for 120 hours of this.
Guys, please, help me hammer IcyTea31.
Let's say that ICT actually was scummy at all. You really going to push for a hammer (on this theoretical probable scum) when one player hasn't posted at all, one basically hasn't posted and we need their replacement to finish arriving, and several others haven't had the time to get out of christmas and achieve a more significant engagement with the game?
Yes. I'm finding this Day 1 exhausting already and the sooner it ends the better.
Jim: Why is Day 1 so exhausting to you if all you've done is push for a lynch on IcyTea for self-voting?
Not shown in thread is me typing up responses for four hours last night complaining about how tedious the game is and never finishing because more and more walls of texts keep getting posted.
The answer to your question is TEDIUM.
TEDIUM TEDIUM TEDIUM.
SO MUCH OF IT.
But you don't need walls of text to be a good mafia player. Concise posts can do just as well -
if they're meaningful. Make three paragraphs worth of content, make it directly related to someone's scum tells, and boom, you have a good post. If Jim is town, he can minimize the tedium by making his posts more concise and more meaningful. He can ask others to point to the posts that seem the most in need of analysis to narrow his workload. He can find a few players and question them instead of engaging with everyone at once. There are
options.
Speaking of pointing out the most meaningful posts... or in this case, the scummiest posts.
Toonyman.
ToonyMan is who I think is the best candidate to lynch today.
I'm liking the case on Toonyman right now, as beautifully set out by dolores and IcyTea. Bandwagon, ho!
ToonyMan
This developed quickly.
If I had more patience I'd go dig into why each of you suspect ToonyMan but instead I'm going to be lazy and not do that and just say 'hey this ToonyMan bandwagon is kinda fishy' and leave it there.
Like... come on? He comments that the Toony bandwagon seems fishy without giving any reason why.
A ToonyMan lynch is dumb.
This is about the laziest, most groupthink lynch I think I've seen on this board.
I've only really read Vector's case on ToonyMan (couldn't be bothered to read anybody else's) and it's punishing ToonyMan for making himself available for people to pick at. ToonyMan is 115% correct that he should've done a disappearing act like TricMagic instead of what he did do, which was do well-intentioned town play. Did he play perfectly? Doubtful. Did he try? Yes.
Says he only read Vector's case on Toony and calls the lynch as a whole 'lazy' and 'groupthink'. Vector later mentioned that Jim read only Vector's case because he knew that it was the only one of substance, but the fact that Jim doesn't bother to mention that at all makes me think he's not actually trying to disprove Toony's hypothetical scumminess, but call people out for wagoning just to look towny.
But he never changed his vote away from Tric in an attempt to pressure any of the people on what he claimed he saw as a flawed lynch.Jim, Toaster, if you two get in the thread before the end, you should know the Tric vote isnt going anywhere, it's Toony or Leafsnail now. So nail your colours to the mast.
I'll look, but it's 3 on TricMagic vs 4 on Leafsnail. It's not as dead as you're saying. PPE alright 3 to 5. PPE alright 2 to 6. PPE alright things have gone completely insane.
Probably, maybe see what it does to me. Maybe I can turn myself into a third-party with it.
Firstly, literally why, and secondly, wuba's clarified what Leave Comment is supposed to be able to do and alignment changes are unlikely. I read this as TricMagic is already a third party and is going to claim 'success' with Leave Comment to explain their third party wincon.
I think I read previously that TricMagic claimed to be hostile to the scum team, and I can't think of a third party win con that is hostile to the scum team that isn't also hostile to the town. But my reading on that might not be completely accurate since TricMagic's posts aren't always the most clear.
I get Leafsnail isn't doing much of anything but I still like TricMagic better.
Okay if everybody is going to go insane, why not lynch the very likely third party in TricMagic?
. Taking the easy road is very characteristic of scum players.
Please note: You may only post at Night if you have an ability that allows as such.
I can post, anybody else in here with me?
Either Jim is the only player who can post at Night, or other players with said ability are keeping quiet for whatever reason. Either way, the fact that he didn't bother to use it at all beyond posting his scanner action strikes me as moderately scummy as well. If I had an ability like that, I would leverage it to the moon. Laying out reads, setting an agenda, providing an incentive for any lurking night posters to join in. Instead he does... basically nothing? Oh, and the scanner, but... seriously? On Tric? The player you were voting all Day for dubious reasons? Well, reasonable-ish reasons, but as mentioned earlier,
lynching scum is more important than lynching third parties and I don't think Jim made any effort to look beyond a Tric lynch. If I had something like the apparent scanner, I'd use it on someone I perceived to be a strong town player so I could learn if I could trust them - assuming a lack of fuckery. Like, the mason-pair, or Vector, or delores (if they didn't have the untargetability effect anyways). There are better options than Tric.
To summarize. It's not that he's lazy, it's that he clearly has the time to engage and doesn't use it in a useful way at all.
Jim Groovester.
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