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[andrea]

by the way, I think our dive bomber could be useful in mountains . when we got the triplanes, I think it was said that their autocannons weren't as a game changer as a successful bombin run would be.
wouldn't our manouvreable dive bomber be able to make successful bombing runs? it surely has got the accuracy.

[Andres]

Taking out their train wouldn't have been a gamechanger regardless. It would've made their Brumby and their radio more expensive. Expensive Brumbies are fine and their radios are shit already so having less of them wouldn't affect them much. Everything else they've built is 3 Ore ore less meaning they wouldn't become more expensive by taking out their Mountain Ore.

Glory to Arstotzka.

[Sensei]

Also, you forgot to add colours for desert environments unless we didn't roll high enough for that.

I wrote green an olive as separate colors, which was a mistake entirely. Replaced green with beige.

[10ebbor10]

It would have made their radio Very expensive. And since their radio is included in their plane, it would have made that very expensive as well.

[Andres]

It would have made their radio Very expensive. And since their radio is included in their plane, it would have made that very expensive as well.

I thought of that and determined it didn't matter. They could just stop including the radios in their planes. If they couldn't, that would mean the Model 1 Biplane would become Very Expensive. The biggest threat to our own fighter plane was not their biplane. The biggest threat was their bomber which doesn't include the radio.

Glory to Arstotzka.

EDIT: Their biplane was only meant to be a scout plane, after all.

[10ebbor10]

Stopping including radios is a revision or at least should be.

[andrea]

Andres, I don't mean bombing their supply trains.
Here is a quote from 1920 battle report, in which we started deploying a lot of planes.

"Arstotzka generally has air superiority, but their autocannons are relatively ineffective against infantry (who can spread out and take cover) and emplacements- certainly not the game changer that a successful bombing run can be."

this implies that being able to bomb their emplacements would give an advantage in the fighting itself.

[Andres]

Oh wow. I just discovered a Good Thing.

-Model 2 Hornet: A wide, heavy, wood-framed biplane. To serve its purpose of carrying bombs, it is heavy and sturdy (as much as a wooden plane can be) with bomb racks beneath the wings. It is powered by a big ten-cylinder motor (your biggest yet) and weighs a ton on its own, and carries half a ton of bombs. The bombs are simply artillery shells with fins attached, and are available in every variety. The gunner's seat has an M1 Stallion which can rotate in a full circle and carries seven yards of ammo. Costs 3 oil.

Compare that to:

AS-DB-HF-23: An airplane built entirely from aluminium. This lighter, sturdier frame allows the plane be reasonably fast with a 9-cylinder radial engine and make aggressive dives and recoveries for bombing, with half a ton of bombs. The radial engine is designed entirely around an AS-AC18 which fires through the prop shaft, necessitating a relatively heavy and thick prop shaft. It has decent maneuverability, with its metal design allowing for strong forces on the wings and tail, and large control surfaces, but it is best at dogfighting while not carrying a bomb load. Costs 4 ore, 3 oil.

Not only do we carry an equal amount of bombs, but we have actual bombs! We've designed a superior bomber! Unfortunately, it costs 4 more Ore than theirs does. "Superior" in this case is subjective.

Glory to Arstotzka.

Andres, I don't mean bombing their supply trains.
Here is a quote from 1920 battle report, in which we started deploying a lot of planes.

"Arstotzka generally has air superiority, but their autocannons are relatively ineffective against infantry (who can spread out and take cover) and emplacements- certainly not the game changer that a successful bombing run can be."

this implies that being able to bomb their emplacements would give an advantage in the fighting itself.

Fair enough. Hopefully it's enough to stop their advance in the Mountains.

[10ebbor10]

Anyway, I think we should start repressing their bomber force. Bomb and strafe the airfields, blackout camps at night and install dedicated AAA positions, that kind of thing.

Also, take out their trains.

[Andres]

Anyway, I think we should start repressing their bomber force. Bomb and strafe the airfields, blackout camps at night and install dedicated AAA positions, that kind of thing.

The blackouts and the AA positions are good ideas. Their airfields are in the Moskurg capital, though, and none of our planes have the range to get there from the Plains. We'll need to capture the Desert first.

Glory to Arstotzka.

[10ebbor10]

Their planes don't seem longer ranged than ours, so I'm pretty sure they're operating closer. Especially when doing nightbombing.

[Andres]

Their planes don't seem longer ranged than ours, so I'm pretty sure they're operating closer. Especially when doing nightbombing.

*calculates in head*
Their nightbombing shouldn't be an issue. They're flying from their capital to the Desert and back.
Their being able to hit us in the Jungle and the Mountains, on the other hand, shouldn't be possible unless our planes could hit their capital from the Plains. The enemy'd have to fly past the Western/Central Deserts to get to the Jungle and Mountains.

Get some of our bombers to fly to filthy Moskurg and bomb them to shit.

Glory to Arstotzka!

EDIT: nvm. They could have airfields in the Western/Central Deserts.

[andrea]

I think that all the home regions ( west-east-central desert+capital) count as a single region for the purpose of range, they are just split up for game balance reasons.

speaking about that, it is interesting that we are still advancing steadily in the desert if nothing changes to upset the balance there, in a couple of turns we will be at their doors.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

machinegun, any 7.62 or 10 to 12.5m machinegun gets my vote

[andrea]

well, look at that. Camouflage was really good, and our dive bomber outclasses their planes. when their expense credit ends, we should have air superiority again.

machinegun seems sensible right now. there is no other pressing concern at the moment.