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[fillipk]

Moonlit are you defending Dampe because he is your werewolf scum partner?

[flabort]

@Mod- We really need a vote count and an accurate deadline timer. It's been days.

Mere ho- ...oh, I see. Time flies when you're playing on LAN, eh?

Day ends in 3 hours, votecount in a minute

[flabort]

Votecount:
TheDarkStar
FallacyofUrist
Teneb
Comrade Shamrock - The Moonlit Shadow
Varee
Arcvasti - Teneb
Dampe
Notquitethere
The Moonlit Shadow -  Comrade Shamrock, Fillipk, Notquitethere,  Arcvasti
Fillipk
Tea

Not Voting:
TheDarkStar, FallacyofUrist, Varee, Dampe, Tea

Day ends in 3 hours, Tuesday 10:00 PM Mountain Time.
1/2 extensions used, 1/3 votes to extend

[Tea]

@fillipk

• The combination of post #66, in which you say you could be faking how new you are to the game, and post #164, in which you say you're acting like stereotypical town in your first game here, is a little odd. If you've read games on this forum like you said in post #63, why do you think you're emulating stereotypical newbie town play? Are you trolling us?
• Of the people who are talking currently, you seem to find Moonlit and possibly Arcv/Fallacy most suspicious, but you've also expressed that scum are hiding among the less active players. Do you have any gut feeling as to which of them might be scum, and do you plan to pressure them or ask specific questions?
• Earlier today, you've mentioned an Moonlit/Arcv pairing as a possibility, and tried to set up a reaction test for Moon because of it. What makes you think that they could be a team?

I see fillip as kind of erratic and I had trouble understanding his phrasing a lot of the time on Day 1 (his first post is a good example.) In line with my first question, it's a little hard to tell if he's screwing with us by faking how new he is?

I'm not really sure if he's capable of/interested in bussing well, but out of the group of people pushing roo for not saying "I am town because XYZ" he gave the best reasoning, imo (quote below.) Given that there may be as few as one remaining mafia I'd say he's a less likely candidate for it.

I remember Fallacy or kulaks saying claiming town doesn't work and shows that you are scum since that's what they do. Also the fact that you aren't using lots of words says you don't want to give stuff away which is also suspicious. So come up with an actual defense please.

I have a gut feeling he's town, though. inb4 FoU shows up to say gut has no place in mafia! But that's where I'm at for now.


Moonlit, I'm sorry that happened to you. I'm good with an extension as I'm still trying to catch up.

[fillipk]

I'm okay with an extension, I'm sorry on the first day I was working under some false impressions, this is my first bay12 mafia game but I've gone and read through a couple, and looking at the more experienced players in this game has helped a lot too. 

I thought Arcv was a pairing cause of a gut feeling based on their posts but now I'm leaning towards a Moon Dampe pairing seeing how Moon is defending a lurker, not ignoring it and trying to find a more scummy target.

[Tea]

Extend

Fwiw, I would prob have voted Moon rn if they claimed a different role than in the post above due to them not getting the two scumteams thing.

[notquitethere]

With five players not voting, you can be sure that scum are hiding among the lurkers, waiting for an easy mislynch. Or at least, in an ordinary game it'd look like that. With two scum teams, scum-allowed mislynches can still hit the opposing team.

Not in this case though. The only person who's not on Moonlit and is voting at the end of today, is indeed Moonlit. If they're scum, where's their buddy in all this? On a reread, they're coming across more flailing new-player than someone who's actively being coached.

There's being busy, and then there's actively willing mislynches:

Unless I state otherwise, just add my vote to whoever has the most votes to be lynched in a day.

I'd be happier hitting Dampe today.

[TheDarkStar]

fillipk:

I thought Arcv was a pairing cause of a gut feeling based on their posts but now I'm leaning towards a Moon Dampe pairing seeing how Moon is defending a lurker, not ignoring it and trying to find a more scummy target.

Explain this a bit more. While I do see that Moonlit is being very defensive, I don't see him specifically defending Dampe very much.


NQT:

With five players not voting, you can be sure that scum are hiding among the lurkers, waiting for an easy mislynch. Or at least, in an ordinary game it'd look like that. With two scum teams, scum-allowed mislynches can still hit the opposing team.

Not in this case though. The only person who's not on Moonlit and is voting at the end of today, is indeed Moonlit. If they're scum, where's their buddy in all this? On a reread, they're coming across more flailing new-player than someone who's actively being coached.

There's being busy, and then there's actively willing mislynches:

Unless I state otherwise, just add my vote to whoever has the most votes to be lynched in a day.

I'd be happier hitting Dampe today.

Given that Dampe has barely interacted with anyone, what do you think we'll get out of a Dampe lynch?

TMS:

My gut used to say that you're flailing town, but now it points to flailing scum. For example, this post:

Everyone
I like how Comrade Shamrock points out that he could plausibly be scum. Also, notice how he has no defense that he isn't scum.

is odd because you're assuming that Comrade is scum because he hasn't proven that he's not. Why? Because this can essentially be applied to everyone unless they are dead. Additionally, you aren't doing much scumhunting at all, even though you're voting.


Tea:

@DarkStar - Thoughts on players besides Moonlit and fillip?

Preliminary reads (based on looking over the last few pages and gut feeling):

Tea - Scumhunts and asks questions. Also, a replacement. Town read for now.
Arcvasti - Has very well-reasoned posts. Strong town read.
Comrade Shamrock - Scumhunting Moonlit. Slight town read for now.
NQT: Votes a lurker in the post before mine. Asks questions but doesn't scumhunt as much. Null read for now.

All other players are less active and so I haven't seen them as much.

[TheDarkStar]

EBWOP: I meant to vote for The Moonlit Shadow instead of Tea.

[fillipk]

fillipk:

I thought Arcv was a pairing cause of a gut feeling based on their posts but now I'm leaning towards a Moon Dampe pairing seeing how Moon is defending a lurker, not ignoring it and trying to find a more scummy target.

Explain this a bit more. While I do see that Moonlit is being very defensive, I don't see him specifically defending Dampe very much.


~snip~

[quote author TMS]I defend Dampe because I don't think he's worth it right now. Maybe later.. Actually... This would be a good time to get him, as I don't really think we have any other suspects... Besides me.[/quote]  They admitted to it and only realized that they were the other main suspect halfway through the post got me thinking they are on the same team but its speculation.

Unvote to be honest I would also rather get dampe for

I'm pretty overloaded with schoolwork, but I'm still in on this.
Unless I state otherwise, just add my vote to whoever has the most votes to be lynched in a day.

this so Dampe

[Arcvasti]

to be honest I would also rather get dampe for

I'm pretty overloaded with schoolwork, but I'm still in on this.
Unless I state otherwise, just add my vote to whoever has the most votes to be lynched in a day.

this so Dampe

Just going to point out Dampe is also new to Mafia as a game and hasn't had as much experience with it. I don't find that nearly as damning as The Moonlit Shadow's earlier ham-handed attempt at shifting suspicion to their persecutor.

[Tea]

Tbh I have laughed so hard I almost cried at both of Dampe's posts, just because I've been spending hours trying to make sense of the thread over the past couple of days. And then once a game Day, there he is, unapologetically making no fucking sense.

@DarkStar- Even though you didn't ask me, regarding Moonlit and Dampe:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Dampe and RedMage:
Yoohoo... what would be your preferred method to proceed in the game now if you were scum (either team) given your lack of content so far and the assumption no one so far on your team has drawn major scrutiny?

Flabort, I'm srry to say this, but you missed some votes/unvotes. Anyway, changing my vote. UNVOTE ALL. My reasoning is that while some people are a little suspicious, I'm inclined to think that they were normal things suspiciously worded, as most of you thought I did.
Also, forgot who asked Dampe and the other guy (forgot name) what they would do if they were scum, there's really no way for them to answer that. If what they say happens, they would look extremely guilty, so if they're town, that's an easy lynch for either mafia group. And if they are mafia, they could just as easily avoid it.
So as the newbie giving people advice, don't answer that question. If you even see the post.

Moonlit:
I don't care how they answer the question, I'm just giving them something to get into the game. They now have something addressed to them so they can't say they didn't weigh in on the game because they had nothing to say.

Also, forgot who asked Dampe and the other guy (forgot name) what they would do if they were scum, there's really no way for them to answer that. If what they say happens, they would look extremely guilty, so if they're town, that's an easy lynch for either mafia group. And if they are mafia, they could just as easily avoid it.
So as the newbie giving people advice, don't answer that question. If you even see the post.

Why were you so worried about how Dampe and "the other guy" (RedMage (tip: go back and search in these cases, it helps.) might look?

Dampe

I vote for not Dampe.
I want to live, dammit. ;_;
I'm not a mafioso. This, I promise on my gentleman's honor.

Why didn't you use your vote?

Could be many reasons which he didn't mention. Like how no one really seemed suspicious due to things contradicting the evidence. Wasn't convinced Roo was probably gonna be scum, but I guess we got lucky that time.

@Comrade Shamrock
Yes I do, actually. After reading Arcvasti's newest post, I have some things to say.
First, out of those 4 conclusions, I initially went to C. Didn't really think of the others at the time. And additionally, I don't think the Werewolves nightkilled Persus13 because Dampe is a Werewolf, due to Persus13 not really making a great case against Dampe at the time, in my opinion.

@Moonlit- You also ignored/missed my question about Dampe. Is there a reason you respond to every single point made about him?

I defend Dampe because I don't think he's worth it right now. Maybe later.. Actually... This would be a good time to get him, as I don't really think we have any other suspects... Besides me.
Also, I thought I'd already addressed your fourth point...

I got the impression that Moonlit found Comrade's sheeping of fillip's case to be the scummiest thing happening in the thread rn, which makes sense to me, though I didn't see a response to his rebuttal of that (prob since Moon lost the post?)

[fillipk]

to be honest I would also rather get dampe for

I'm pretty overloaded with schoolwork, but I'm still in on this.
Unless I state otherwise, just add my vote to whoever has the most votes to be lynched in a day.

this so Dampe

Just going to point out Dampe is also new to Mafia as a game and hasn't had as much experience with it. I don't find that nearly as damning as The Moonlit Shadow's earlier ham-handed attempt at shifting suspicion to their persecutor.

I didn't know they were new and they probably thought the same thing as me since they did virtually the same thing.  So again unvote Moonlit Shadow

[Persus13]

I didn't know they were new and they probably thought the same thing as me since they did virtually the same thing.  So again unvote Moonlit Shadow

PSA: One method of unvoting is saying unvote in red, followed by the name of the person you are unvoting. So if I was removing my flabort vote, I could go unvote flabort instead of just unvote. I'm saying this because while the forum code and context suggests you are unvoting Dampe and voting Moonlit Shadow, your post looks like you are unvoting Moonlit Shadow.

I'll go back to being dead now.

[Tea]

Since we're apparently not extending, I'd rather lynch Dampe. In my only other game on here, a big deal was made out of informational lynches which I didn't really get and got some flak for. Given that scumteams have a kill each to cut down on the people that actually are trying, I feel like it's even less necessary this game. Granted if we had more than an hour, Dampe isn't my lurker of choice but it's a bit of a crapshoot anyway?

I think Moonlit is at 4 and Dampe is at 3.