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Again, please don't use red for anything other than voting.
Ah, I see now. It messes with the script used for vote tracking. I'll remember that.
Unvote allMoonlit:
Arcvasti, I think we better see a defense from you. 4 people have voted you, so no defense means your getting lynched. No defense, is also exactly what Roo did. And we all know who he was, don't we...
I only see three people voting me and one of them[Fillipk's] is explicitly stated to be a pressure vote based on preliminary evidence. I do see your point, however.
Alright, I will now begin defending myself.
Either way, all your speculation on night actions is just that: speculation. Unless you have some hard data from stuff such as abilities, you are just spreading WIFOM. How about you start asking questions to the living, and focus on scumhunting, rather than wild speculation that will not result in anything. Because I see a lot of you saying Dampe is probably a wolf, yet you do nothing to confirm it. No questions towards them, no votes.
Arcvasti, nice attempt at feigning activity with long posts filled with nothing but speculation, scum.
As I may have mentioned, I dislike acting without considering the evidence we have at hand. What you term "Speculation" is the only evidence we HAVE in Mafia, besides that garnered through information roles. I am attempting to document evidence so as to make it more accessible to those not bothering to reread the thread to analyze voting and posting patterns. I also include personal theories under the same basis: Putting more information on the table. Including personal theories in this mix is doubly important because if I die, everything in my head will no longer be accessible to the rest of the town, potentially losing us access to crucial data. Putting down my thoughts now is especially important because they will obtain new significance after my hypothetical demise. If I were posthumously exonerated from being scum, then theories that seemed scummy earlier will acquire renewed usefulness. Right now, everything I say is tainted with the shadow of doubt because I am currently under suspicion. After my death however, everyone would KNOW that all I said was to aid the town.
The other main objective of long wordy posts is to attempt to make transparent my thought processes to avoid ambiguity later. Not entirely sure that that's worked terrible well though, based on my current status.
Next, I will assemble a case file on myself, as I did for
The Moonlit Shadow,
Roo and
Fillipk midway through last round.
1: I said I was suspicious of The Moonlit Shadow, Roo and, to a MUCH lesser degree, Kilakan, but thought FallacyofUrist was reasonable.
2: I said that a D1 no lynch would be fine with me, before FallacyofUrist convinced me otherwise
3: I joined in on FallacyofUrist's vote to extend the day
4: I reiterated my suspicions in #1, still finding The Moonlit Shadow to be slightly scummier then Roo
5: I did a big compilation of evidence on The Moonlit Shadow, Roo and Fillipk. I drew the following conclusions: That Fillipk had dropped the most scumtells, that The Moonlit Shadow was probably just panicking from noobishness and that Roo's actions were defensive and that I would withhold further judgement until they began posting again.
6: I asked for clarification on Kilakan's reasoning for Roo's scumminess
7: I asked Roo to justify their vote on The Moonlit Shadow
8: I asserted that self-preservation was not necessarily a scumtell to Kilakan
9: I unvoted Fillipk and put a pressure vote on Roo in order to flush them out
10: I did the subtle attack/reminder thing against Kilakan and FallacyofUrist
11: I said that Roo's claiming of a one-shot seer was suspicious and calculated
12: I defended FallacyofUrist against Roo, although I admitted it was possible that they were tricksy scum
13: I said that those who defended Roo, primarily Persus13 and TheDarkStar/b] could potentially be other mafia
14: I inferred from the target of the Werewolf nightkill that FallacyofUrist could be one of them and that the Werewolves seemed to be gunning for Mafia over town
15: I justified my earlier defense/neutrality towards Roo and acknowledged my suspicions about Kilakan/FallacyofUrist
16: I posted an analysis of Roo's lynch and more theorizing about night actions
Comrade Shamrock: Which of the above actions seem suspicious to you and why? Your main beef with me appears to be my lack of aggressiveness and my earlier defense of
Roo. The former is probably a product of me being both new to Bay12 Mafia and being too polite to directly assault people[Which, you're right, isn't very helpful]. And I justified my defense of
Roo above, but I will reiterate:
- Before the first extend, most of the people voting
Roo didn't have any solid evidence. Lynching
Roo would have been a mostly random vote that wouldn't have given us much information even if correct.
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Roo's major scumtells, being defensive and posting oddly, were disputed by a number of more experienced[Persus13 and TheDarkStar were the main two] players who cited meta-experience and the fact that a town would not want to be mislynched because it would hurt town.
- It wasn't until
Roo claimed a one-shot seer in hasty self-defense that I really knew they were scum. Their subsequent attack on their persecutors reinforced it, but that roleclaim was what REALLY convinced me
Roo was scum.
I'm fairly certain that addresses the major strikes against me. I would be happy to elaborate should the above prove an inadequate defense or if I forgot something that I did.
Now, to the attack. I will compile a similar case file for
FallacyofUrist[Yes, I AM using the red text correctly this time. Sorry about using it indiscriminately earlier.].
Alright,
FallacyofUrist, let this be my glove in your face. I believe you to be scum, to be specific, a
Werewolf.
My evidence is the following:
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They kinda switched their primary target around a lot First they were chasing after
The Moonlit Shadow and then switched mid-pounce to
Fillipk and then 180ed to
Roo as the popular opinion changed. This is in stark contrast to
Comrade Shamrock's focus on
me and
Kilakan's focus on
Roo. This could be due to changing evidence, but I'm somewhat skeptical. An explanation of your chain of thought here,
FallacyofUrist, would be appreciated.
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Your main suspect right now, Dampe, is both a newbie and a lurker with only circumstantial nightkill evidence on them. Your other suspect, Varee, doesn't even have that small bit of evidence going for them You jumped on
Roo's bandwagon earlier because both of the other suspects were too newbish and you accused Persus13's earlier focus on
Dampe of being scummy because it was a lurker lynch. Now you've done a 180 and I don't see sufficient evidence to justify completely flipping your point of view like that.
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You've kinda just ducked under my earlier[Less vigorous] accusations and haven't done any posts attacking Dampe or Varee like you said you would. Gaining towncred via nailing
Roo and then just disappearing and attacking lurkers seems pretty scummy. Granted, inactivity could be because IRL stuff, but I still find this suspicious. If it IS because IRL stuff, please say so and I'll take this strike off. If so, I kinda understand, my posts have been sort of sparse lately for IRL reasons. Single large posts instead of multiple mid-sized ones.