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[Salmeuk]

So much extra maths. Combat would bring the game to more of a chug than usual.

Combat calculations (even those that would account for wear and tear) pale in comparison to creature pathfinding and object tracking.

[Urist Tilaturist]

So much extra maths. Combat would bring the game to more of a chug than usual.

Combat calculations (even those that would account for wear and tear) pale in comparison to creature pathfinding and object tracking.

Yes, and they do not go on all the time either. The biggest crushes on the CPU are dwarf pathfinding and tracking objects, which is why walling off caverns and atom smashing waste helps with FPS.

[krenshala]

I thought it was temperature change calculations, then pathfinding, and then item tracking that were the top three in order?

[Aslandus]

I thought it was temperature change calculations, then pathfinding, and then item tracking that were the top three in order?

I don't think temperature change is the biggest drag, but it has almost no downside to turning off so it's usually the first thing people get rid of...

[Eldin00]

I find that turning off temperature only makes enough difference to really be noticeable if I either have wildfires burning, or am moving around a lot of magma.

[Sadrice]

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Six months have passed. I'm beginning to equip my civilians now, training begins next month.

The Giantess Nemen Illuduthra has come!
A gigantic creature resembling a human, almost unparalleled in size!

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Oh...

I expected a gigantic creature of unparalleled size to be a tiny bit more pain resistant. I get that they can't hit a legendary swordsdwarf but it would be nice if they would not give in to pain after the first strike... [/spoiler]

Replying to ancient posts, but my pedantry demands it.  That giant basically got hamstrung, and a nasty broken ankle with the weight of a giant falling on it sounds like the worst compound fracture imaginable.  Yeah, the "gives in to pain" thing definitely needs some adjusting, but in this case it's kinda understandable.

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Erm... While the "minerally" part of bones have no pain receptors per say, they are surrounded with tissue that *does*, called the Periosteum.  When the fracture damages this layer of tissue, severe pain follows.  Having the game put pain receptors inside the bone is an acceptable approximation of reality IMO.  There may be too many, but there should be some.

I would consider that tissue to fall within the remit of "flesh" myself, but I understand that having receptors in the bones represents that. The numbers must still be reduced to stop monsters fainting as described earlier.

The problem is, if you want to call that flesh, than there's flesh through the entire bone.  The bone is filled with living tissue, not just the bone marrow, which is important for many things, but especially production of blood cells, but the entire part of the bone that looks solid is suffused with living tissue, including sensory nerves.  If you look closely, you can see small holes for nerves and blood vessels, but there are further holes that are microscopic.  Bone is not dead tissue, like hair or nails, it is living, which allows it to actively repair itself.

[Urist Tilaturist]

The problem with gives in to pain is the lack of any sort of adrenaline to reduce the effects during combat. Adding it as a syndrome would be easy enough, as in this mod:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=146737.0

[KingKaol]

Update:

First goblin ambush on year 29! (after making some modifications to raw/objects/entity_default.txt):

Added [AMBUSHER] token to goblins
Added [SIEGER] token to goblins
Changed from level 2 -> level 1 for [PROGRESS_TRIGGER_POPULATION:1]
Changed from level 3 -> level 1 for [PROGRESS_TRIGGER_SIEGE:1]

Here are what the default settings seem to imply if I understand them:

- Only Dwarves and Humans have [SIEGER] token:- both have siege pop trigger set to level 3 (80 dwarves).
- Elves only have [AMBUSHER] token, they have a default non-siege pop trigger of level 1 (20 dwarves) so I'm not sure why I haven't seen any (unless ambushes are effected by the siege trigger level)
- Humans only have [SIEGER] token and non-siege trade trigger
- Goblins only have [BABYSNATCHER] (no ambusher or sieger) and a non-siege pop trigger of level 2 (50 dwarves). I think this means you won't see any goblins until you have 50 dwarves, and they will never ambush or siege
- Kobolds have [AMBUSHER] and [ITEM_THIEF] with the same non-siege pop trigger of 20 dwarves. I think the kobolds in my area were wiped out (the extinct dwarven civ from my reclaim has ownership of the cave but no civilized population)

So basically goblins will not attack until population is 50, only elves and kobolds will ambush, and only humans and dwarves will siege but not until population is 80.

By the way, if you have a currently generated world, these changes need to be made to the raws for that save.

[Naryar]

I've done that as well. Maybe adding ITEM_THIEF to goblins makes them more aggressive ?

[Vattic]

If I remember correctly SIEGER just makes them build and hang around a little camp fire when they do attack you.

[Graknorke]

If I remember correctly SIEGER just makes them build and hang around a little camp fire when they do attack you.

Aww, that's sweet.

On a sort of related note, do siegers have to eat or not? I know that goblins never have to, but what about humans if you manage to upset them?

[Proudnerd]

If I remember correctly SIEGER just makes them build and hang around a little camp fire when they do attack you.

Aww, that's sweet.

On a sort of related note, do siegers have to eat or not? I know that goblins never have to, but what about humans if you manage to upset them?

Toady confirmed ages ago that siegers don't eat. The community was divided over the decision.

[Urist Tilaturist]

They should. Even goblins should have to supply themselves with dwarf meat, or whatever they eat. It can come onto the map by caravans.

[Button]

Goblins actually don't eat.

[Urist Tilaturist]

Are they supposed to be sustained by some kind of force like a necromancer's enchantment?