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Re: (ISG)1904: The Polish Scandanavian War
« Reply #75 on: October 21, 2014, 09:28:40 am »

I just noticed something:
I'd say about 30 bullets are fired in 10 seconds.  That would be 1800 rounds per minute, but you don't get it firing that long.  More like 800 rounds per minute.
30 bullets in 10 second is 3 per second and 180 per minute (not 1800). Comparable numbers are:
200-250 rpm (depending on operator): the Gatling Gun
500rpm: Maxim Gun
600rpm: AK47
~800rpm: M16 (depending on model and round)
and for lulz
up to 6000rpm: M134 "Minigun"
in conclusion 3 per second is pretty weak.
First of all, the Machine gun is developed with the Italian coolant system.  This makes it different from the Rordalian machine gun.  It is still a heavy machine gun, but due to a different caliber bullet, and the lack of gas powered firing, the rate of fire is only about 15 rounds per 10 seconds, if you get up to that much.
...and 90 per minute is nothing.
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Re: (ISG)1904: The Polish Scandanavian War
« Reply #76 on: October 21, 2014, 02:15:31 pm »

I just noticed something:
I'd say about 30 bullets are fired in 10 seconds.  That would be 1800 rounds per minute, but you don't get it firing that long.  More like 800 rounds per minute.
30 bullets in 10 second is 3 per second and 180 per minute (not 1800). Comparable numbers are:
200-250 rpm (depending on operator): the Gatling Gun
500rpm: Maxim Gun
600rpm: AK47
~800rpm: M16 (depending on model and round)
and for lulz
up to 6000rpm: M134 "Minigun"
in conclusion 3 per second is pretty weak.
First of all, the Machine gun is developed with the Italian coolant system.  This makes it different from the Rordalian machine gun.  It is still a heavy machine gun, but due to a different caliber bullet, and the lack of gas powered firing, the rate of fire is only about 15 rounds per 10 seconds, if you get up to that much.
...and 90 per minute is nothing.

They're pretty terrible, yes.  The point is to force you to either be ok with terrible, leading to an entirely different world with completely different military tech, or to continue to better your tech.  Also, you can consider this a failure, or use it.  And for my math being wrong, I apologize, I suck at math.  You could likely improve it three or more times to get the historically accurate gun used, but then you'd be sacrificing the production of other things. 

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Re: (ISG)1904: The Polish Scandanavian War
« Reply #77 on: October 21, 2014, 03:25:32 pm »

I just noticed something:
I'd say about 30 bullets are fired in 10 seconds.  That would be 1800 rounds per minute, but you don't get it firing that long.  More like 800 rounds per minute.
30 bullets in 10 second is 3 per second and 180 per minute (not 1800). Comparable numbers are:
200-250 rpm (depending on operator): the Gatling Gun
500rpm: Maxim Gun
600rpm: AK47
~800rpm: M16 (depending on model and round)
and for lulz
up to 6000rpm: M134 "Minigun"
in conclusion 3 per second is pretty weak.
First of all, the Machine gun is developed with the Italian coolant system.  This makes it different from the Rordalian machine gun.  It is still a heavy machine gun, but due to a different caliber bullet, and the lack of gas powered firing, the rate of fire is only about 15 rounds per 10 seconds, if you get up to that much.
...and 90 per minute is nothing.

They're pretty terrible, yes.  The point is to force you to either be ok with terrible, leading to an entirely different world with completely different military tech, or to continue to better your tech.  Also, you can consider this a failure, or use it.  And for my math being wrong, I apologize, I suck at math.  You could likely improve it three or more times to get the historically accurate gun used, but then you'd be sacrificing the production of other things. 

Update will be up shortly.

But why is it worse than the gateling-gun?


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The hunt for resources
Scandinavia has several potent resources ready to be used. Scandinavia invest in several companies focused on gathering these resources. Also promise a much larger market for these resources within a few years...:

School act

A lot of the countries in Balcan has yet to learn Scandinavian. This has to change. Scandinavia starts several schools all over its territory, teaching Scandinavian, both reading and speaking, and also some other basic math and natural sciencies.
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Re: (ISG)1905: The War Over Poland.
« Reply #78 on: October 21, 2014, 08:27:37 pm »

1905

GM NOTE
Multiply the RPMs of all current MGs by 10.  Yes, the RPM of the Scandinavian machine gun is worse than the Gatling gun.  Think of it more of a really light anti-material machine gun/auto-cannon.  Yeah, you screwed up somewhere, but hey, maybe there is a use for a light anti material machine gun/light auto-cannon.  More like the stuff on tanks than a real machine gun, and needs like four people to move and set up.  :P

Rordalia

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The Frenchmen surrendered.  They were offered to join the Rordalian military, but they feel insulted, they would never betray their Kingdom for a bunch of invaders.  They want to be set free to go back to their home.  Some of the native inhabitants of the island who were conquered by the French a long time ago do accept your offer though.  You'll need to ship down more guns for them to be useful in the military.  The French prestige is hit VERY hard by it's inability to protect it's own people. 

Rordalian diplomats are sent down to the French mainland.  Sadly, the French take the diplomacy as an insult and ask for the Rordalians to leave this place and give back their island. 

A refinery is built to process the oil and get more use-able substances out of it.  This works out pretty well, and the raw oil is separated from a material found in it. 

10 Light Gun Boats are constructed with the big and heavy oil engines and the Gatling guns.  This allows them to move faster than the steam engines, but they are weighed down by the amount of fuel they need to run.  It's pretty horrible, as their range is quite low.  Steam engines would be more useful for long range at this point, it seems.  Then again, Africa is only across the Mare Nostra, although it'll have to make multiple stops around the coast to get to the other side.   

Italia

The Dadalo Class Destroyers are built, outfitted with the new machine guns.  Since there is enough production the excess goes into adding the HMGs to the destroyers.  You now have 20 Dadalo Class DDs.  Your economy would have produced 15, but a portion began the exporting of general purpose farm equipment to your trade partners. 

Now, all the people are represented in your country equally.  Nobody really cares though, because those that live in the North, the Catholic side, were pretty well treated.  It's major effect is unpopularity in the South. 

You start production of general purpose farming equipment in exchange for the raw materials offered to you in Nev and Rordalia. 

Lyrian


Seeing the research on machine guns, you also create a coolant for the mgs.  It is based off of the Rordalian design, and is effectively the same thing. 

More of the normal schools are built, but there is still a gap in the quality of education, and people are not happy with that. 

Expansion of the steel industries is under way.  You are importing most coal from the free market, and in return, they get your steal.  The Germans are a big buyer of steel. 

Nev

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You have claimed a good amount of your land, but the progress is slow with a limited amount of soldiers.  So far nobody is guilty.  What has likely happened is that the bandits are hiding as normal villagers.  You'll probably need to leave a garrison along your empire in order to keep order, as once the military leaves, it'll likely be back to chaos.  Another unit of scouts is sent out. 

A lot of people still choose not to make the trip east, it isn't very good land, and it's reputation remains.  Some do, but why would you risk everything for pretty much no change to their life? 

A good amount of people go out as prospectors for a piece of the find, but the amount is still quite few.  Enough to survey area currently controlled in the east. 

Nev joins the war on Scandinavia's behalf.  The masses of soldiers pour through the border.  Again, stuff will reach Nevian ears that nobody else will hear. 

The Low Countries

The country develops a universal generator that should be used in all their factories.  The standardization of all the generators means the price of the steam generator drops, and they are easily replaceable.  Now, compared to the current unfiltered petroleum engines, I would say the steam engines are much more clean and efficient, only the gas engines are much more powerful. 

A gas-electric submarine is attempted.  It works, but it really isn't that good.  Only really applicable for just below the surface stuff.  To make matters worse, the cabling isn't really water proof, there aren't really any air filters, so on and so forth.  Hey, it is a prototype.  Most people don't hear about failure, and only hear about success.  Still works.  Too bad it isn't much better than the ones America has, but still. 

Diesel engines are attempted, but unfortunately, there is no diesel yet, only unrefined petrol.  You instead try to use some of the more refined stuff that the Rordalians are using.  The engine works MUCH better than all the other ones.  It is a lot smaller as well.  This goes on the submarine, and allows for the submarine to actually work. 

Scandinavia

You set up a bunch of large scale mining operations.  Steam engines produced by your heavy industry are used to make this easier. 

The system of schooling on the mainland is made to be more of a school to teach Scandinavian values, along with basic science, math, and grammar.  This idea is quickly adopted throughout the nation, though only on the mainland is it at all state driven.  The people who live up on the mainland dislike the fact that government is favoring people from mainland Europe over them. 



THE WAR

The war continues, and it seems as though Poland is willing to peace out.  The Polish are losing.  A lot.  They were beginning to push back the tide, but then Nev came in and forced a fresh batch of conscripts to fight with their newly raised conscripts. 

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Meh, I could find pictures, but I'll just post the update and go to bed.  Those involved in the war will get their briefings tomorrow. 
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Re: (ISG)1904: Scandinavian War of Aggression Against Poland
« Reply #79 on: October 22, 2014, 01:29:35 am »

In order to support and expand Colonial operations, larger and better ships are needed. Increasing the speed of these vessel can also significantly benefit us, by increasing connectivity with our colony. The introduction of turbine driven Steam powered vessels should greatly improve our naval speed, though they tend to be slightly less fuel efficient. (We do have plentiful coal reserves, so that should be no problem). 

What happened to this action? What is proposed is a coal driven turbine powered propulsion system, after all.

Also, the first modern oil refinery was build in 1857. The diesel engine was invented in 1895.
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Re: (ISG)1905: The War Over Poland
« Reply #80 on: October 22, 2014, 05:00:03 am »

IS it still possible to join?
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Re: (ISG)1905: The War Over Poland
« Reply #81 on: October 22, 2014, 06:12:37 am »

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Re: (ISG)1905: The War Over Poland
« Reply #82 on: October 22, 2014, 06:47:05 am »

Um...I'm not trading with Rordalia; I'm trading with Fgerbia. Typo? Regardless...

Grenades!

Italian military strategists have suggested a new combat doctrine emphasising mobility and deception. To put this new doctrine into action however requires the adequate technology. As such, the basic grenade has been modified to be all-around safer for use by personnel. A clip has been added so that the item will not explode until this clip has been detached from it.

Light Machine Guns

It had become apparently clear that the Scandinavian machine gun could not outmatch the Gatling Gun...but it didn't need to. The design was lighter than the Gatling Gun though still heavy. Rather than continuing with the use of an inferior weapon, some Emirs have put forward the idea of making these guns even smaller and individually have less firepower. This sacrifice of performance would be a small one however as by decreasing the weight significantly and making use of a replaceable magazine, an individual soldier could carry and use the these Light Machine Guns.

Italy Needs Oil

The Emirs have offered to trade its industrial goods or its coal for a steady supply of oil. It offers these particularly to Nev and African nations.
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Re: (ISG)1904: Scandinavian War of Aggression Against Poland
« Reply #83 on: October 22, 2014, 07:06:58 am »

In order to support and expand Colonial operations, larger and better ships are needed. Increasing the speed of these vessel can also significantly benefit us, by increasing connectivity with our colony. The introduction of turbine driven Steam powered vessels should greatly improve our naval speed, though they tend to be slightly less fuel efficient. (We do have plentiful coal reserves, so that should be no problem). 

What happened to this action? What is proposed is a coal driven turbine powered propulsion system, after all. 

Oh, well, I missed that.  Then you have 5 pretty big ships, with a bunch of light cannons on them.  Sorry. 
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Re: (ISG)1905: The War Over Poland
« Reply #84 on: October 22, 2014, 07:07:53 am »

Menace of the Seas

While the design of the new "Predator" Class destroyers (ie, last turn's turbine driven vehicles) was succesfull, and the design is expected to soon enter service, the King was surprised by a more spectacular proposal, for a far larger, and much more dangerous vessel. The design can only be matched in size by vessels build more than a decade ago, but it is much faster and far more heavily armed.

With a displacement more than 15 000 tonnes, and heavily armed with large caliber German artillery, the new vessel is expected to dominate the seas. Due to it's significant cost however, it is likely that this vessel will remain the only one of it's class.
 
Lower Countries - Rordalian agreement

In a landmark agreement today, the Low countries and Rordalia agreed to jointly develop and improve upon the Lower Countries Submersible warship design. In addition, they made an agreement about the delivery of oil and associated products to the Lower Countries. In exchange various Low Country Corporations have been getting involved in the electricity sector there.

Improving Connections with the Colony(s)

Connections with our Colony are problematic, due to the long range between our Colony and the mother country. In order to resolve that, our fleet is to head out to Morocco, in order to make them an offer they can't refuse propose them a win-win arangement. Morocco needs new technology to industrialize, and infrastructure to do that. We need a functioning harbor port to make easy connections to our colony.

Thus we propose that they grant us a 50 year concession on a suitable bay or other location, where we will build a harbor and coaling post, serving as an intermediate stop for not only our military vessels , but more importantly for trading vessels coming from all nations. In fact, it is projected to be the main hub for trade originating from Africa, North America and South America, as well as the far East.

(For Africa, Asia and South America their route is simply the shortest route, for North America it's a much safer alternative than the Nordic route past Lyrian(no icebergs) and depending on starting location, marginally shorter).


Oh, well, I missed that.  Then you have 5 pretty big ships, with a bunch of light cannons on them.  Sorry. 
So, Torpedo Boat Destroyer sized, and similar armament?

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Re: (ISG)1905: The War Over Poland
« Reply #85 on: October 22, 2014, 08:51:34 am »

Italy Needs Oil

The Emirs have offered to trade its industrial goods or its coal for a steady supply of oil. It offers these particularly to Nev and African nations.
Aren't we already doing that? :-\
if not, does Nev have an oil extraction industry or just undeveloped oil deposits? I assumed it was the former, but now I'm not so sure...
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Re: (ISG)1905: The War Over Poland
« Reply #86 on: October 22, 2014, 09:36:25 am »

Italy Needs Oil

The Emirs have offered to trade its industrial goods or its coal for a steady supply of oil. It offers these particularly to Nev and African nations.
Aren't we already doing that? :-\
if not, does Nev have an oil extraction industry or just undeveloped oil deposits? I assumed it was the former, but now I'm not so sure...
Rordalia didn't and neither did you.  The free market would be taking care of this, but sadly, you don't use the free market.  You are mining iron, and converting it to steel. 

Oh and the war updates are out. 

And yeah, the Predator is more like the torpedo destroyer. 

Gazkull, I'll put you on the wait list, and if someone has a revolution, you'll replace them, and probably not give the people what they want and have another revolution.  And then whoever is next on the wait list is in.   

I don't know who I'm waiting on for the update, but 3/6 players accounted for. 
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Re: (ISG)1905: The War Over Poland
« Reply #87 on: October 22, 2014, 10:03:07 am »

This game has players, it's not a suggestion game.
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Re: (ISG)1905: The War Over Poland
« Reply #88 on: October 22, 2014, 10:11:41 am »

This game has players, it's not a suggestion game.

Actually, the idea was originally for this to be a kind of hybrid of both.  I've decided to hold off on that until I have more experience hosting a normal player based suggestion game. 
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Re: (ISG)1905: The War Over Poland
« Reply #89 on: October 22, 2014, 10:13:03 am »

Mkay. Well then for now classifying this game as an ISG is misleading.
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