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[Orangebottle]

Long story short I'm not even going to bother anymore, NUKE gets a permavote for the rest of the game. I don't even care anymore.

This is so very, incredibly productive Person. Go cool off and come back when you feel like rescinding this.
Webadict: Why are you trying to make him angrier? That's not going to solve any problems. In fact, that's just going to make him drop more scumtells regardless of what team he's on. So why are you intentionally provoking him?

[NUKE9.13]

So, we shouldn't even try because there's a slightly increased chance we won't hit scum?

You say slightly, I say significantly. But basically, yes. Controversial as that sounds.
I feel compelled to point out, before this is misquoted, that I do not object to the process leading up to someone's lynching, just the part where they die at the end.

You know, that's plain false. A mislynch oon D1 can tell you a lot about the people who did and who did not vote for the victim. You can guess what somebody's true intentions where depending on the reasons and arguments given. With NK's? not so much.

Yes. But votes are just the condescend form of publicly outed heavy suspicion. A FoS can serve (basically) the same purpose in indicating that someone thinks that that person is highly suspicious, and may be worth lynching.

Why?

Because one never knows what's going to happen. Chaos reigns in a BYOR; Lylo breakers are around every corner, unexplained rezzes happen every morning, investigators turn out to be insane, but lucky- unlike in open setups, or even most closed setups, it is very hard to predict what sort of game one is playing before it is too late.
Caution, then, is much more vital in this sort of game.

In summary, I intend to act cautiously.

This is completely and utterly worthless, as you basically say "I will assume everything is and goes wrong and nothing is as it seems and consider all possibilities," which mostly translates to "I will be paranoid and do nothing because of it." How exactly do you intend to be useful while contemplating bizarre theories which assume the inspection results are wrong and scum is unlynchable?

Well, like I said:

Action will occur on the basis of the the most probable scenario with a generous margin of error. Actions which require everything to go right will be considered invalid.

Obviously I am not out to sit around paralysed by indecision. Probabilities, or estimations of probabilities, can be weighed. Just because one considers a great deal of possibilities, does not prevent one from choosing the most probable.

Level of chaos unknown, yet possibility of strong town power roles is valid enough to base actions off of. Right.

It is a BYOR. Rare is the BYOR mod who hands out 'you are a vanilla townie' to his players.
Everyone is a powerrole of at least minor strength (I assume). That amongst those will be town roles of moderate or higher strength seems highly probable, regardless of what roles those are and whatever else is going on in the game.

Also, this is mafia. Town has to scumhunt, scum has to hide. The notion that town can overwhelm scum using their raw night action strength, even just on N1, is utterly retarded outside of a bastard game (or very specific scenario).

Its more likely than you think. There have been Paranormals where town play was abysmal, but they still won due to overpowered roles.
Which is not to say it will happen here. I certainly hope not- I do enjoy a challenge. But it is a fact that town powerroles exist for a reason, and that reason is to make town's job easier.

in the cold light of dawn (tempers having being tempered by a nights rest)

What massive difference is the night supposed to make? How are obvscum town going to suddenly look townier next day, while obvscum scum won't?

I cut the nested quote in order to answer your question. People tunnel. During a break, and with new information, they may realize that they have been tunnelling, and reconsider their arguments.

Except then they know it's 80/20 and so intentionally make the bubbling glass not poison, unless they know you'd know they'd do that and make the bubbling glass poison, etc.
Being more or less likely than 50/50 doesn't make it not WIFOM.

If someone is setting out to trick their opponent with an endless chain of bluff and double bluff, why bother adding food colouring and baking soda to one of the glasses? If the odds are going to settle down to 50/50 anyway, might as well start with that situation.
Translating this metaphor into practice- whilst it is possible for scum to go to extraordinary lengths, lengths to which there was absolutely no call for them to go to, just for the sake of confusing a towny, it is quite unlikely- especially when there are lesser lengths to which they could go, less risky, easier lengths.
If being more or less than 50/50 at no point prevents it from being WIFOM, then me and webadict not being the same person is WIFOM. Sure, there's a 99.99% chance that it isn't the case- but maybe that's what I want you to think!
My point being, there is a cut-off point. Where you place it is up to you, but it is there.

Native: You are talking (I think) about Cult Mafia. Now, I am a modest man, but that was some excellent play right there, which pretty much single-handedly pulled the cult from certain defeat to flawless victory. I invite people who question my competence to read over D2 there, where people (heavily) underestimated me, to their peril.

Finally, I'm just going to say this: to me, NUKE trying to abandon common game ideas in D1 is a null tell: he does it whether he's town or scum.

Obviously my word on this issue is not to be trusted, but I will confirm that this is the case. I really, really hate the RVS, and the standard operation of D1 in general. This hatred transcends allignment, though I do try to tailor my method of shaking things up to my goals.


Mr.Person.

Spoiler: Abandon all hope, ye who enter here hoping for a light read. Long story short: Person is angry, his case is flawed. (click to show/hide)

Re:Mafia Laws: The Mafia Guidelines are usually the optimal way to play. They are not always so. If one considers the origin of the guidelines, we can follow the logic that created them in the extelligence of the mafia community. We can also see the loopholes and caveats which the extelligence cannot remember. They are not unbreakable laws. I said this, and then you turn around and say the opposite. What makes you think that the Mafia Laws are unbreakable?

Re:Scum Meta: Well, if you really want to drag Meta into things, I defer you to the Jack quote above. It is a null-tell.

Re:The rage-filled core of your post:

You are not fucking playing the game if you cannot threaten, hunt, and eliminate the scum.

No denying this. Never did, never will. It is the point of the game. Suggesting that I might try to deny this- or that I already have- is ridiculous.

Nobody panics if they're not going to get lynched, especially not the scum, so your scumhunting is going to be 100% fruitless on all but the worst scum.

Ahahahahahaha... no. This is plain false. The scum (and everyone else) is not merely concerned with immediate survival. Public opinion of them matters to them. Check out the scumchat from any game. Odds are quite good that you will find someone mentioning concern at a town comment which is disconcertingly accurate, even if said comment is mentioned as a minor thing with no vote attached.
If scum thinks that they have been pegged, and that their pegger is quite certain for legitimate reasons, they will panic. Even the best will have a brief moment of internal panic- and even the best cannot fully disguise this panic.
Reasons to fear suspicion as well as imminent death: Investigations, vig kills, roleblocks, lynches on future days, increased scrutiny (leading to more suspicion), a fear of ubermenschen with psychic powers (seriously- when people get things totally right, that in itself is scary).

Considering the town's goal is to "eliminate all the forces that threaten the town" and you can't eliminate said forces without lynching them, yes, I'd argue you're going against the goal of the game and are thus not playing the game.

I have repeatedly stated that my no-lynching desire is applicable for today only. This is an example of something I have only said in your head- I have always been quite clear that I am not against all lynches, just against today's lynch in this game.

You might as well be dead, you'd be just as useful.

I hate to nitpick, but a live towny staves off lylo regardless of how little they participate.
On a more substantial note, this relies on your previous point, which is unequivocally false.

You strategy of doing nothing will cost someone their life, why not make it yours?

My strategy of doing nothing, even if it was my strategy- why would that cost someone their life? Inaction is notorious for having no effects, death included.

Everything you say means nothing because the end result is the same everytime and everyone know this.

Broad, sweeping statements like this come forth from rage and have no weight (sorry). I can't even fully comprehend what you are trying to say here, although I can certainly object to the last part- you are not the spokesperson of Everyone Vs NUKE9.13. I see no indication in the thread that everyone knows... whatever it is you are saying.

You can say whoever is scum til the cows come home, but that player won't act any differently because you're harmless.

Repeating arguments does not enhance their strength- this, again, stems from rage. There was no need to repeat this argument here.
See above for my response (begins with Ahahahahaha)

Worthless. Meaningless. A waste of a player slot. A waste of my fucking time talking to you. A waste to the entire game.

Insults, stemming from anger, do not enhance the strength of your arguments. Now, I will concede that a few carefully placed (and bitingly accurate) insults can help on a psychological front, but this sort of thing, I'm sorry to say, actually makes your arguments weaker- you are the one panicking here, not I.

A DETRIMENT to the rest of us trying to have fun while you're sitting there saying "no let's randomly lynch and leave the game up chance. Also let's not even bother with the day game, it's useless"

And here, from nowhere, emerges the most confusing part of your entire post.
By what twisted train of logic did you ever arrive at the idea that I am advocating a policy of random lynching? Where on earth have I said anything even remotely resembling a suggestion of this course of action? (Other than in reference to my actions in a totally different game)

If you're going to continue suggesting that please, fucking leave. Seriously, I know I said it was crossing the line earlier when you told someone else to leave the game based on in-game actions, but when you with a straight face suggest we should all stop playing the game and just start rolling dice to determine who wins or say the day game is a waste of time, I have to say you're the one who's being the dick. Now if you'd like to join us over here in this fun game of mafia, you're invited. But if you're going to come to the party and tell us all to stop, you're not welcome.

To start with, this appears to stem from your entirely false idea that I am proposing random lynching.
Secondly, I believe that no one in their right minds would ever act as you are suggesting I act. Unless you are suggesting I am clinically insane*, this is a nonsensical accusation, and if you hadn't worked yourself up into a tornado of fury, you would not present it.
Thirdly, there is one rule in mafia which is important and unbreakable, and the punishment for breaking it should be harsh- that rule is 'Always play to win'. I think you'll find that I am playing by this rule. I argue that Ottofar is not*. Someone like Dariush, who I find exceptionally annoying, I can nevertheless tolerate, because careful analysis of his actions has revealed that- surprisingly- he appears to have working brain cells, and his 'huge dick' demeanour is one which- at the very least in his mind- enhances his chances of victory. Being a dick can be a legitimate- if very annoying- strategy, and if you start kicking people from games for using it, you set foot upon a very slippery slope which ends in daaaark places (and highly unenjoyable games of mafia).

On the other hand your logic falls to pieces because apparently a magic night happens? Or something?

Your failure to understand my arguments does not indicate their incomprehensibility, it indicates your anger-clouded mind. That ones anger and tunnel-vision should diminish overnight, and that night-action results (public or no) should change the dynamic of the day game, are not incomprehensible concepts.

Where the town's actions reveal nothing but somehow you're more sure your scumpick is scum? 

If, after a nights rest, I still think that, "yes, the person I thought was scum is probably scum", then yes, I think that the odds that he actually is scum is higher than if I think "hmm, on second thoughts, I may have been tunnelling a tad there. I suppose his actions could be explained by X".

I don't get it, it makes no sense. In fact, it makes so little sense I advocate you're scum using faulty logic to defend yourself, that's how fucking bad this magic night theory is.

Once again, your failure to comprehend is not proof of their incomprehensibility, given your current condition.

The reason the second lynch is good is because of information we learned from the first lynch.

Night actions, and the choice of mafiakill (or, indeed, the lack of a mafiakill), have no significant bearing on your choice of D2 lynch? This I find hard to believe. That everyone else shares this sentiment I find even harder to believe.

That's pretty fucking obvious though, so you're using clearly bullshit reasoning to defend your stance.

Repeating arguments does not enhance their strength. It is not 'obvious', except to your rage-addled mind.

Have fun with your magic night, though, I'm sure it will work out great for you.

Condescension. Not useful.

So yeah, disregard that second paragraph if you're scum because then all your actions make a fuckload more sense.

Alternatively, I am not scum and it is your arguments which do not make sense. I pose that seeing as I do not show signs of being batshit crazy, in contrast to you, the scenario where I am perfectly sane and you are misled due to anger be considered more likely.

Re:Re:Powder Miner:

You say a lot of words but they all mean nothing. The definition of active lurking. If you need to see why they mean nothing, see above.

Your anger has not subsided since the core block. I believe that I have said plenty of words with a plethora of meaning, and that I can certainly not be accused of activelurking of all things.
I am looking above, but I am seeing nothing which leads up to an accusation of activelurking.

Re:Re:ECoF:

Pot calling the kettle black.

Um. I think that this is pretty much as false as a statement of this nature can get. ECoF's three-line posts of curt replies and little original content stand in stark contrast to my WoTs with rather large amounts of detailed discussion and controversial opinions.
Also this is followed by more insults. More childish than RAAAGE at this point. Were you tired? Was this late, when you posted this?

Re:Re:TolyK: Ah, we get something interesting here again. For reference, I posed that it is not possible to pick scum from the crowd reliably D1.

Oh my god, no. Just... no. Recant this opinion. Now.

No. It is based in empirical evidence. I have a neat explanation for why it should be the case. It is a tried and tested theory- it is less an opinion and more a fact the accuracy of which is (to a degree) debatable.

I refuse to play with you if you think it would be more fun to just roll some fucking dice to see who wins the game. We do NOT play that kind of game here.

Again with the dice rolling accusation. I have never suggested anything like this at all, but in that quote in particular I can see absolutely nothing which even suggests the possibility of the idea of this occurring.
Indeed, it is closer to the opposite- I basically state that D1 lynches are random (or worse than random), and that this is part of what motivates me to suggest not performing it.

there is NOTHING fun about saying "well we decided to randomly lynch Webadict and he came up scum, that's good".

...still not seeing how you are getting this impression from me.

The fun is in the hunt, why do you hate the hunt?

I am all in favour of the hunt. See: almost every post I have made recently. I am opposed to the kill at the end of the hunt.

It doesn't even matter if you're right, the point is that what you're suggesting is "let's not play the game".  (Emphasis mine)

So, what you are saying here is, you would rather intentionally lose the game than utilise a strategy which you object to?
That, my friend, is breaking the one rule.
Now, I will admit- I wouldn't like it either, if 'not playing' was truly the optimal strategy. I really, really HATE lurking as scum. HATE IT. Still do it, though, because I always play to win- its the town's fault for not paying enough attention to lurkers if that strategy works.
If you don't like the strategy, change the situation so that the strategy is no longer optimal. Do not discount the strategy due to personal preference- that is breaking the one rule.

Followed by more anger and insults (increasingly childish- honestly, man, retardation? What?)

Holy FUCKING shit am I pissed off. Let's see what NUKE says because it's really fucking important. I don't even feel like going back through more of this shit until then, holy hell. NUKE, seriously, what the flying fuck are you thinking? Are you retarded? Why the hell did you join if you don't like playing? What's your problem? Why did you fucking join if your strategy is "hurr durr do nothing because im retarded hurr hurr"?

At this point, the theory that your role requires you to flip way off of the handle to power up came to the fore in my mind because I greatly prefer it to the idea that someone who clearly isn't entirely stupid should break down so badly.

Deflection onto lurkers, a joke about Webadict. Both scummy but I don't give a shit right now.

Deflection?
What, exactly, would I be deflecting?
Also, lurkers are always an acceptable target, and the game as a whole is improved (made more fun) if lurking is discouraged- every little helps.
If jokes are scummy now, well, lynch me where I stand, because I just love me some jokes.

Long story short I'm not even going to bother anymore, NUKE gets a permavote for the rest of the game. I don't even care anymore.

As I mentioned earlier. Hypocrisy of the highest degree; this has gone from funny to annoying to sad to unbelievable.

Took a tad longer than I hoped. I apologize to those who prefer their posts light and fluffy- I'd love to have tiny short posts, but there are so many things to respond to, and I do want to do everyone justice.
In all the excitement I have rather left out my own suspicions, and I grow weary with mafia. Tommorow, suspicions.
I will say that I do not agree with an ECoF lynch. Dude's a shameless lurker, but unfortunately that is what he is- his behaviour does not suggest 'scumlurker' to me.

[Powder Miner]

Wait, what? I never said that or is it a response to me? What?

[Mr.Person]

Eh, I accept getting angry over your opinion is probably not healthy, no matter how factually correct or incorrect it is or how much I dislike it or how fervently you defend it. Just want to point this out, but the fact I had typed out a message for over 2 hours and lost it due to copy-paste issues didn't help. I'd argue with you more about your D1 NL theory and in fact I'd enjoy doing so, I just can't discuss everything outstanding about it at once. Also having this discussion in the middle of a game is more than disruptive, so if you do feel free to PM me or something. Perhaps we should start a "Mafia Game Theory Discussion" thread or something, I don't know, I don't care.

The real issue at large I'm facing right now is that I'm no longer having fun playing mafia. It's not NUKE's statments (if I wanted to I could ignore his shit, I'm aware I've been terribad at doing so) or Webadict (Webadict's shit stopped affecting me over a year ago, plus he's obscum so who cares?). It's not even this game at all, I've just realized I no longer enjoy arguing the same way I used to. I don't like reading a ton of posts then going back post-by-post and responding one-by-one to construct a WoT. It feels like work to do this. You see those WoT's? Do you know how long making a WoT takes? A lot longer than it takes to read, that's for sure. It takes me over an hour to respond to a single page on the thread.  And I have about 6 pages left to go through, not even counting what's going to pop up in the next few hours, then overnight, then all the hours of the next day, and so on and so on. This post HERE took me an hour to type all on its lonesome, and it's not even that long. Sure, I write incredibly slowly, add bits all over the place, jump around randomly, and completely throw out sentences and even entire sections (the NUKE-rage bits got rewritten to tone them down, I've typed out entire paragraphs about things NUKE said and thrown them out for not being game related, ect.) and that's all my fault. But if I didn't do all that, I'd be writing like shit, and I'd feel even worse about myself. Plus I feel obliged to, you know, play to win, or at least play well, which I can't do if I'm not as coherent as possible. And I can't NOT respond to people, my entire playstyle hinges on responding. So if I want to play, I have to take ages to do anything, that's just how I am.

So what's my grand reward after slogging through all that typing and general bullshit? Everybody bitches about WoTs, most people don't even  have the decency to fucking read them, and I feel like a dick for wasting all this time and space. Thanks assholes! Next day, oops, look at all these posts that appeared, better start responding. Every fucking day. It never ends with this shit. Day in, day out, WoT after WoT after WoT. It's like two hours every goddamn day just to respond, not even to ask new questions or rethink things through or whatever. Monday is the worst, that's three or four hours ALONE because of all the weekend if I don't log in during them. God help me if I miss a day, then I'm forced to stop responding to people or sit here for fucking ever just to catch up. I don't even enjoy winning anymore, seeing the end of a game, win or lose, or even just dying in the middle, those are all fucking relieving. I get to the only part of the game I truly enjoy anymore when I'm a townie, seeing if my scumpicks were right or not. Do you know how long that fun lasts? MAYBE a minute. MAYBE. It's not worth it, and I'm coming to terms with that.

Fuck that noise, I quit, I want a replacement. Don't blame yourselves, it's me. I thought taking a break would help, it just made things worse. I shouldn't of even joined, I'm sorry. It's not winning or losing, it's having fun playing, and by that metric I'm dead last. I hope the rest of you (yes, even NUKE) have fun playing and I'm sorry for wasting all your time and energy about what's going to wind up being pointless.

@Toaster: I'll send in a night action if no replacement is found before the day end but after that you're on your own.

And now to throw this out here for everyone, the scumteam is Webadict-led and includes MBP. I'd accept Webadict's defense of NUKE if Web had a good reason for it, but frankly there is none. Web's defense of MBP is total bullshit, though, since it's not ok for a townie to ever interrupt discussion of other players. I'm aware I've done that as well by shutting down NUKE discussion, we both fucked up, although I'll contend NUKE's game theory discussion is a heck of a lot worse than a "useless" argument between OB and MBP. Beyond that I've had literally no chance to read past about early page 8.

[IronyOwl]

Person: Do you have to be that detailed about everything? Like, the WoT you just gave could have been shrunk down to:

"Yeah, probably shouldn't have gotten so angry, whether I'm right or not. This discussion isn't even really relevant to the game though, so maybe we need a new 'Mafia Game Theory Discussion' thread or something.

Anyway, mafia just isn't fun for me anymore. It's not anything to do with this game, it just takes me fucking forever to write these WoTs, then nobody reads them and I feel like an asshole. I don't even enjoy winning anymore, because I'm too busy being flat-out relieved when the game ends because it means I don't have to slog through all this garbage.

So, sorry, but I'm out. Shouldn't have signed up. Good luck and enjoy the game."

...without losing too much information.


Nuke: You're wrong and your assertions are retarded, but if you're not going to scumhunt while defending them, I'm not interested in discussing their finer points.

[Toaster]

Vote Count:

Ottofar:
Dariush:
TolyK: ECrownofFire, Webadict, Urist Imiknorris,
Powder Miner: Darvi
Think0028:
OrangeBottle:
Urist Imiknorris:
Mysteriousbluepuppet:
Andrew425: Ottofar
NativeForeigner:
Jack A T:
Darvi:
Mr.Person:
Nuke9.13: Mysteriousbluepuppet, Mr.Person, Dariush
Simple: Andrew425
Webadict:
ECrownofFire: Think0028, Simple, IronyOwl, OrangeBottle, Jack A T
IronyOwl:

No Lynch: Nuke9.13

Not Voting: NativeForeigner, TolyK, Powder Miner


Day 1 will end Wednesday 11/30 at 11 PM EST.


(May have been drinking recently- you may wish to verify your vote.)

Mr.Person needs a replacement.

3 prods have been issued for people inactive more than 36 hours.

[webadict]

So, question is do I waste my time responding to your ragequit, or is this like a pity party? Because you are straight-faced lying on so many accounts, it's not even funny.

Boohoo. It took you 2 hours to respond to the thread. See why no one reads through every single WoT? I didn't tell them to stop arguing to make sure no one read through the argument. I said it because no one is going to read through it. It's a big waste of space. Whatever was gained, wasn't something we could get from reading more of the same.

See, I've done this exact same thing. So, you know what? I stopped reading every single post 5 times over. It really doesn't matter if I pick apart a post over an hour, because you know why?

No. One. Cares. That's right. No one gives a crap about the amount of scummitude you can pull out of one post. You know what works? Short, fast posts. Why? Because anyone can read those on the go. You can quickly glance through the thread to see anything. If something piques my curiosity, I'll post about it. That's it. It stops me from hating this game. Because it is fun, if you actually try to enjoy it. I'm not gonna do what I used to do. I don't have seven-layer plans anymore. I don't have every fact memorized. I don't plan out every possibility. I just have a keyboard and some sweet ol' experience. That's all I need. Man, I feel dumb for just realizing that.

So, be mellow. Being angry makes you stupid, and it makes you make mistakes. Very big mistakes. Like, shotgunning accusations at me, covering both sides of the argument. Your arguments were unwinnable by design, and not because you're wrong, but because you can't accept you're wrong. You cannot throw both sides of an argument at someone and just hope either sticks.

Also, your argument is inherently flawed by you voting for NUKE. I'm the obvscum, so why not vote me?

Long story short I'm not even going to bother anymore, NUKE gets a permavote for the rest of the game. I don't even care anymore.

This is so very, incredibly productive Person. Go cool off and come back when you feel like rescinding this.
Webadict: Why are you trying to make him angrier? That's not going to solve any problems. In fact, that's just going to make him drop more scumtells regardless of what team he's on. So why are you intentionally provoking him?

I'm not his mother. If he's angry, then that is HIS problem, not mine. He didn't see how the game evolved. I did. So, I told him. I'm not trying to get him to drop scumtells. I'm trying to make him realize his arguments are terrible. Because they are. His anger is making him stupid.

His anger? That is his problem to deal with. I'm not a counselor. I'm not a relative. I'm some guy on the internet. I realize this is SRS BSNS, but grow up.

[Orangebottle]

I'm not his mother. If he's angry, then that is HIS problem, not mine. He didn't see how the game evolved. I did. So, I told him. I'm not trying to get him to drop scumtells. I'm trying to make him realize his arguments are terrible. Because they are. His anger is making him stupid.

His anger? That is his problem to deal with. I'm not a counselor. I'm not a relative. I'm some guy on the internet. I realize this is SRS BSNS, but grow up.

That isn't answering my question at all. Why are you intentionally provoking him?

[webadict]

I'm not his mother. If he's angry, then that is HIS problem, not mine. He didn't see how the game evolved. I did. So, I told him. I'm not trying to get him to drop scumtells. I'm trying to make him realize his arguments are terrible. Because they are. His anger is making him stupid.

His anger? That is his problem to deal with. I'm not a counselor. I'm not a relative. I'm some guy on the internet. I realize this is SRS BSNS, but grow up.

That isn't answering my question at all. Why are you intentionally provoking him?

I'm NOT intentionally provoking him. Do you not understand? There is not too extremes here. I did not provoke him, but I also did not baby him. I told him the truth. Does the truth hurt? Probably, but I'm not trying to grab scumtells off of it.

What is your problem?

[Andrew425]

Jack

Andrew: In the future, say something when you'll be responding to something later.

I'll keep that in mind.



I'm not too sure on how to proceed though, it seems like the RVS stage has been winding down to three people.

I don't really understand the reasoning for Tolk and Crown for getting votes on them but I trust(?) that you experts know what you are doing.

I would vote for Nuke because of his No lynch mantra except for the fact that SIMPLE has yet to answer my question.

[Orangebottle]

I'm NOT intentionally provoking him. Do you not understand? There is not too extremes here. I did not provoke him, but I also did not baby him. I told him the truth. Does the truth hurt? Probably, but I'm not trying to grab scumtells off of it.

You can tell him the truth without:

you are the idiot

Because, hmm, I didn't? CORRECT ANSWER, WEBADICT!

or did you just realize now you're a sack of lie-spewing garbage?

BRAIN-DEAD MORON!

AKA, being a huge asshole. Or, another way to say that, intentionally provoking him.

[Urist_McArathos]

I'd like to play against Webadict for some more practice.  I'll sub in for Mr Person.  In the event it goes through, Extend as well.

I feel entirely too much time was wasted in this unfortunate argument, and I'll need time to get caught up.

[Mysteriousbluepuppet]

Prod received. I'm in a bit of a rush, so ill post something tommorow afternoon or so.

[webadict]

I'm NOT intentionally provoking him. Do you not understand? There is not too extremes here. I did not provoke him, but I also did not baby him. I told him the truth. Does the truth hurt? Probably, but I'm not trying to grab scumtells off of it.

You can tell him the truth without:

you are the idiot

Because, hmm, I didn't? CORRECT ANSWER, WEBADICT!

or did you just realize now you're a sack of lie-spewing garbage?

BRAIN-DEAD MORON!

AKA, being a huge asshole. Or, another way to say that, intentionally provoking him.

You know what? I'm gonna go to sleep. When I get back, I'll assume you'll have figured out what is so incredibly stupid about your argument, or I'll tell you for you. I, however, can't think straight while tired.

[ECrownofFire]

Right then, sorry for the absence. It's always hard for me to really get into a mafia game on D1. Too much random shit flying around.

Anyway, is everyone enjoying their bandwagon?

Especially you, Jack A T. Walk in here after an absence, vote for me for exactly the same reasons as everyone else, then leave.

ECrownofFire:

ECrownofFire: What's up with calling out Irony's question loaded and then refusing to comment when called out on it? Trying to stay on the sidelines and stir up trouble?

I didn't feel it needed anything more than a comment on it. It's not really such a massive scumtell that I'd go right after him.

Seriously?  And then you proceed to miss Simple's question, barely do anything, and when called on it, seemingly get annoyed at demands to do things.  Your answers have lacked detail, it has taken pushing for you to even reread the game, and your earlier contributions have consisted mostly of staying in the background, saying that one question was loaded and refusing to do more.

ECrownofFire for being extremely passive and useless.

And you, Darvi.

3. Fine, I'm rereading. Happy now?

Is that an indirect admittance to not paying attention to the game despite obviously having the time and ability to? Wat. Why would you do such a thing ECF oh wait there's only one plausible reason.

Two reasons, actually. One, I'm terrible at D1 play. And two, I just can't get into D1 that much. Neither of which particularly point to me being scum. (I would say that I'm busy, but that's just an excuse at this point )


By the way, webadict is always kind of an ass, mafia or town.