Well, depends on whether I poison during the Day or during the Night. If I were to poison during the Day, then I would wait until near the end of the Day to choose. Otherwise, I'd wait until the Night to choose. Because poisoning people at the start of Day 1 is a really stupid idea, and it usually gets you killed (As does most D1 kills).
Now, you should rephrase your question to less stupid things that are not quite as loaded. I would consider this replacement: "You have a Day 1 kill that must be used now. Who do you use it on?" In which case I would reply TolyK. That question isn't pointlessly time dependent, and therefore answerable right now. See the difference?
Are there any circumstances where it would be ok to use a daykill on D1?
Now why would you use it on TolyK? Holy shit Webadict, you're coming dangerously close to question dodging here by not really answering the question.
Consider asking concise, useful questions next time. I had taken it upon myself to improve the quality of your question, since poisoning someone as a day action would be left to later in the Day, as I would be killing based entirely on a good 15 pages information. What does that lead you to believe? Do I look like an idiot to you?
Basically, I rejected your reality and substituted my own superior version. If you notice, you'll notice that there are a few clauses I added so as to make sure you didn't jump out yelling "Gotcha!" So, instead of complaining, perhaps use this as a lesson to improve your sub-par question-asking abilities. Such as, "Why would you kill TolyK based on the limited information you have obtained so far?" Well, because I think he is particularly suspicious, if you had not read only a few hundred pixels higher in my post (though, this changes on text size), I do not particularly like his wording, nor much of his posts.
Are you... not reading? Or are you trying to bullshit me?You do realize that Orangebottle made the original question and not me, right? Because now I have to wonder why you're berating me for something OB said. Also, why are you berating in the first place? I seems to serve no functional game-related purpose. It seems like a smokescreen to hide your true self, which no matter what that self is, hiding yourself like this is scummy.
I have to infer from your answer to my first question since you didn't outright say anything clearly. So if it's ok and in fact a good idea to kill D1 if you're sure, why did you say this earlier?
Because poisoning people at the start of Day 1 is a really stupid idea, and it usually gets you killed (As does most D1 kills).
Simply taking the time to even say this says to me you care about getting killed, which only scum do. As a townie you wouldn't care since you'd be hitting scum. That's pretty simple logic and your meta, yet here you are saying D1 kills are bad and then saying they're good. Inconsistency is quite scummy my good sir, especially when the original stance you took was scummy.
Because he (NUKE) is scummier than you ? Maybe since he seriously offered to no-lynch, and is explication was less than stellar ? You are not the center of the game, kiddo
You never said why you think NUKE is scummy. Please, enlighten us with reasoning of your own that is not stolen from someone else because right now I'm thinking you're just bandwagoning. Or bussing, if you're both scum.
If your goal was for me to stop RVS-ing and ask actual question, why not actually say so ? Again with the dodging the question. I answered earlier, it was RVS. That post was posted 5 minute after the start of the game, are you blind ?
RVS is not a free pass to be useless. You should not be getting this defensive over someone pointing out your useless RVS questions are useless.
It seems like a waste of a day to no lynch. That's what it seems like to me.
Any other insight, oh master ? This was high caliber play, right there.
Hypocrite. That's your entire fucking logic too so don't you dare pretend you can call OB's argument shit.
Except that he did exactly that, voting for a Nolynch. You are tunneling, but it's hardly as bad as going no-lynch, and staying ground, on day 1. You arguments are dumb sure, but they are not detrimental to town. Pushing for a nolynch is, big time. Actually, you don't seem to creeped out by this, while it's one of the big scumtell you can get.
Ah, so everybody not voting NUKE is scummy to you? Well there's an awful lot of players not voting NUKE, any reason you decided to focus on OB here? And hell, what makes tunneling scummy? By itself it isn't, but there are scummy ways to tunnel. You're leaving an argument half-finished which tells me you never formed it in the first place. Scum.
Possibly since nobody is caring about you right now, since Nuke is focus center at the moment.
Blatant stupidity are continuing to say that you should be my top pick since you are a bussing idiot, while Nuke is voting Nolynch, a pretty scummy move. Just so you can understand it, since understanding don't seem to be easy for you Nolynch is scummier than tunneling in my opinion. Faulty reasoning, all your shit on rvs. Frankly, you are the only one caring about that.
I don't think you ever explained your NUKE vote in the first place so I can't fault OB for not knowing. Because until this point, you've just been "NO LYNCH IS SCUMMY LYNCH HE", which makes it impossible to know just how scummy you really think NUKE actually is. In fact you've talked almost nothing about NUKE and spent all your time with OB, which makes your claim that "NUKE is focus center" factually incorrect.
You don't have to believe me, but i'm not really angry. Sure, reading your arguments make me feel dumber each time, but i get over it. Then I just chuckle softly
Err... why did you feel the need to refute this? It seems like you're just trying to say OB is wrong for the sake of proving him wrong, which is the scum's motivation for arguing.
Urist, asking him to point those since i really can't seem to find them.
2nd part was answered earlier. Faulty reasoning, all your shit on rvs. and all that.
Scumhunting, sure. You can help me too if you so wish.
And all that? Do you even know what you were talking about? I can't follow your thought process so actually yeah, I think you don't.
Also, what the fudge are you two arguing over? Because you guys both sound completely ridiculous.
What started as me telling MBP to not ask ridiculous RVS questions snowballed into some huge shitfling. It gave everyone plenty to look at, though.
If he wants to continue it, he can. If he can find something to go off of.
It gave nobody anything, actually. It'll likely be completely ignored.
Webadict: "Quit attacking my scumbuddy
"
Seriously, a townie has no justification whatsoever for saying what Webadict just said. "Stop talking and disregard what those two are saying" is nearly the scummiest thing you can say. Holy shit Web, if you're trying to get me to break a vow and move my vote over you're doing a damn good job.
Think of it this way. Even if the discussion is useless, there's no loss if everyone else reads it. But suppose there is information to be gleaned. There's a MAJOR loss by everyone not reading it. So yeah Webadict, were you defending MBP or Orangebottle here? I'd assume MBP based on the fact he had more votes, MBP was generally playing worse, and you later vote Orangebottle, but you can be a tricky-ass scum player.
I want to have a more laid-back game, though that probably won't work now 
I think everyone needs to be questioned, but i'm guessing the more experienced players (Think, Irony, Wuba, Person, and the like). I know Jack AT is a good mafia-side player (from being on the same team as him before ) so questioning him might help too.
I notice you failed to list yourself. Why is that?
I don't consider myself experienced but ask me all you want. I see you might be implying that I'm afraid of questions... 
I was seeing if your response might imply you didn't want to answer questions. Or being defensive, or whatever other scummy action. Sadly like the rest of your posts you were pretty minimal and hard to read, so you're still stuck at neutral.
ECrownofFire: What's up with calling out Irony's question loaded and then refusing to comment when called out on it? Trying to stay on the sidelines and stir up trouble?
I didn't feel it needed anything more than a comment on it. It's not really such a massive scumtell that I'd go right after him.
Is this how you plan on catching scum, pointing out potential issues than walking away? You'll find it's not very effective.
Two: You are suffering from Mafia Dogma. This is a condition where you assume that anything which is a habit in mafia is an unbreakable law which must be done and anyone who does not obey these laws is SCUM. I would like you to think.
No Lynch. Proposing this D1- does this really make me scum? Why would I, as scum, propose this course of action? Does this seem likely? In what situation would I, as town, propose this course of action? Does this seem likely? In what situation would this, from a town perspective, actually be the right thing to do? Does this seem likely?
These are not rhetorical questions. I would really like for you to ask each of these questions to yourself. If, having internally answered each of them, you still think that I am scum, I would like you to explain why. I will then respond to this. At the moment, you have basically given me nothing to respond to. It would appear that in your eyes, I sealed my fate the moment I red'd those two words.
Most of the "Mafia Laws" exist because it's the optimal way to play the game from the town's PoV. The fact is, you're trying to play suboptimally, which is harmful to the town. Granted this is a reasonable thing to ask MBP, I'm just throwing this out here that there is good justification for wanting to lynch you just based on your vote.
I believe that D1 lynches often hit the wrong people. Even when one is really quite certain. In... what was it? Totem? I proposed just lynching someone at random, because it would have a higher chance of hitting scum than a well-thought out lynch. I would propose the same here, but for fear that we might lose someone interesting. (Totem, being a Meph game, was liable to be less chaotic than this one. Also I was scum and wanted everyone dead ASAP)
Thank you for admitting that acting retarded D1 is part of your meta as scum. Webadict, that means your argument is voided. So what's your excuse for thinking NUKE is town now? The fuck you're both scumbuddies or are you just fake defending NUKE?
Well, I can't really say anything against a policy lynch. Happily, as I am not playing in the manner that you wish to policy lynch against, there is no need for you to vote for me. I am playing the game. Voting no lynch is quite an aggressive action, really. Consider all the reactions it got me?
I am looking for a lynch target. However, I will not be attempting to lynch them. I will make my case, reduce their counterarguments to ashes, and then I will maintain my 'no lynch' vote, because no matter how certain I am, I have learnt that D1 certainty is worth squat.
My hope is that the person (people) I identify as probscum will be either investigated or blocked or something along those lines. And if nothing better has come up by D2, I would be all up for lynching them. My no lynch policy is merely to give everyone the chance to gather information N1 before we start killing ourselves.
I do not intend to lurk, by any definition of the word.
Your math is too specific. We don't know the numbers, and pretending we do is pointless. The level of chaos that is to be expected this game is unknown. We don't even know if there is a mafia, or if we are dealing with a cult, or if there's just an awful lot of third-parties.
You are not fucking playing the game if you cannot threaten, hunt, and eliminate the scum. Nobody panics if they're not going to get lynched, especially not the scum, so your scumhunting is going to be 100% fruitless on all but the worst scum. Considering the town's goal is to "eliminate all the forces that threaten the town" and you can't eliminate said forces without lynching them, yes, I'd argue you're going against the goal of the game and are thus not playing the game. You might as well be dead, you'd be just as useful. You strategy of doing nothing will cost someone their life, why not make it yours?
Everything you say means nothing because the end result is the same everytime and everyone know this. You can say whoever is scum til the cows come home, but that player won't act any differently because you're harmless. Worthless. Meaningless. A waste of a player slot. A waste of my fucking time talking to you. A waste to the entire game. A DETRIMENT to the rest of us trying to have fun while you're sitting there saying "no let's randomly lynch and leave the game up chance. Also let's not even bother with the day game, it's useless". If you're going to continue suggesting that please, fucking leave. Seriously, I know I said it was crossing the line earlier when you told someone else to leave the game based on in-game actions, but when you with a straight face suggest we should all stop playing the game and just start rolling dice to determine who wins or say the day game is a waste of time, I have to say you're the one who's being the dick. Now if you'd like to join us over here in this fun game of mafia, you're invited. But if you're going to come to the party and tell us all to stop, you're not welcome.
On the other hand your logic falls to pieces because apparently a magic night happens? Or something? Where the town's actions reveal nothing but somehow you're more sure your scumpick is scum? I don't get it, it makes no sense. In fact, it makes so little sense I advocate you're scum using faulty logic to defend yourself, that's how fucking bad this magic night theory is. The reason the second lynch is good is because of information we learned from the first lynch. That's pretty fucking obvious though, so you're using clearly bullshit reasoning to defend your stance. Have fun with your magic night, though, I'm sure it will work out great for you. So yeah, disregard that second paragraph if you're scum because then all your actions make a fuckload more sense.
Powder Miner:
You are a bandwagoning fuck and I think you are scum. The point of the reaction test has been stated. Saying I am trying to look active is stupid as I clearly actually am active.
You say a lot of words but they all mean nothing. The definition of active lurking. If you need to see why they mean nothing, see above.
ECrownOfFire
I see you jump in to answer a question all snappy like. Then jump out without another word. WHAT THE FUCK. Play the gosh-darned game, man.
Pot calling the kettle black. Hypocrite. All the more reason you're scum and need to die in a fire. If anybody needs to play the game it's you. But hey, it must be fun in imagination land where the scum kill themselves and nights where nothing happens result in changes in opinion. Sadly the rest of us are in the real world when the scum kill townies and opinions only change when circumstances change.
TolyK:
Do you, truly, really, actually believe that you (or anyone else for that matter) is good enough to pick out scum from the crowd reliably D1?
Me, I don't. This based on a long list of prior D1s where obvscum has been lynched and flipped town, whilst the scum flew completely under the radar.
So even if we get scum-tells, I strongly recommend patience, rather than jumping to string 'em up.
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Oh my god, no. Just... no. Recant this opinion. Now. I refuse to play with you if you think it would be more fun to just roll some fucking dice to see who wins the game. We do NOT play that kind of game here. If you want that, I suggest going to Epicmafia, they might be more tolerant of such bullshit. But around here, we play to have fun and there is NOTHING fun about saying "well we decided to randomly lynch Webadict and he came up scum, that's good". What's the fucking point? Where's the fun? The fun is in the hunt, why do you hate the hunt?
It doesn't even matter if you're right, the point is that what you're suggesting is "let's not play the game". Fuck that and fuck you. Not only are you wrong in that NLing will harm the town, at least I just assumed you were doing it to get a nonexistant advantage. Nope, turns out you just don't like playing the game. Oh well, I guess you won't be that angry when you lose because you're retarded.
Holy FUCKING shit am I pissed off. Let's see what NUKE says because it's really fucking important. I don't even feel like going back through more of this shit until then, holy hell. NUKE, seriously, what the flying fuck are you thinking? Are you retarded? Why the hell did you join if you don't like playing? What's your problem? Why did you fucking join if your strategy is "hurr durr do nothing because im retarded hurr hurr"?
Firstly, a big round of BLUE to all the LURKERS out there. You know who you are. You are sitting there, watching the thread, thinking 'eh, I don't have anything to add, and no one is asking me anything'. Here's what you do: post anyway. Find something to add. Not a stupid question about mechanics. Not a question at all. A statement. For example 'I think No Lynching is ok'. In dealing with the subsequent backlash, much will be learnt. Just try to keep the backlash under control, because massive shitfights just make things hard to read. Keep it constructive.
To be fair, it is the weekend, and the game has just become. Nevertheless, some people are edging into lurky territory, and it is best to nip such things at the bud. This includes:
ECoF (see above)
Darvi; came in for two posts of minimal content.
NativeForeigner: Has explained his absence, so that's ok. Still, one expects him to return in strength on monday.
Simple: One post. One post of RVS bullshit. Weekend, yes. But still. He had better be back.
Webadict on principle, because come on: he's Webadict. But seriously, I believe there was once a quote in someone's signature about how if Webadict survives the first night, he's probably scum? Yeah, that's a pretty accurate statement.
Other people: Not yet. Which is not to say I am not looking, and certainly several of my responses should provide more information.
Deflection onto lurkers, a joke about Webadict. Both scummy but I don't give a shit right now.
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