NUKE
Sweet zombie jesus but you can write. Going to break this one into chunks.
First off, I argued (I think successfully) yesterday that if flavor contains leads to who might be witches, it's plausible it contains leads to who might be a cop, doctor, etc. That means that describing full flavor should be done just as cautiously as role-claiming. You can bet your ass a doctor or cop makes a prime target for a NK, and pushing someone to reveal information that could be VERY useful to scum for NK purposes is unwise, at best. Maybe not everyone agrees with me, but I think it's scummy to continue to argue that everyone should reveal all they have in their backstory "to help the town". Would you pressure a cop or doctor to claim as soon as possible? No, because then you've got the best targets out in the open where the scum can get them. Don't use some BS about "Town have nothing to hide" to pressure people, because they damn well might have something to hide (from the SCUM), and I'd rather not get a power role lynched because you were too thick to understand why it was a bad idea for them to keep it a secret. So, considering you've now harassed TWO people for their background info (which might contain critical pro-town secrets), I'm really not liking your investigation so far. Don't act like this angle is unreasonable either: you logically deduced witches might have tells to their role in their PM, so you know it's pretty sound for a cop or doctor to as well. Pressing people to reveal most or all of their PM details is EXACTLY the same in that case as pressing them to claim their role. It's called rolefishing, NUKE, and it's scummy as all get-out.OV
I know about rolefishing. I know that one could read my actions as that.
Now I am going to use some bullshit about town having nothing to hide. Observe:
Town have no reason to lie unprovoked. (its slightly different)
If there was a mass-flavour-claim, or Think was straight asked about his flavour, lying to hide his power role would be fine.
However, Think responded voluntarily to an unpressured question by Jim asking for any information on the witches contained in flavour.
Town would have no reason to lie at this point, certainly not so specifically. Heck, it would be smarter not to lie, as bringing attention to your curious lack of filler-flavour might tip off the mafia to your role. Hence, Think was either telling the truth, or scum.
As for me harassing two people for their background: I maintain that I had good reason to 'harass' Think, and I hardly call
Say, would you mind terribly reminding/telling me what your flavour is?
harassment.
I was not rolefishing. I did not think Think had a role, and believe that was a reasonable thing to think.
I also don't like how quickly you changed your tune. In the SAME DAMN POST, you state you "don't really have any suspicions", then immediately vote Think. How the blue FUCK is that not having a suspicion? Did you get suspicious of Think in the course of writing three fucking sentences, and forget to delete your own words from earlier in the post you were IN THE PROCESS OF WRITING? I mean sweet Jesus, NUKE, talk about inconsistent behavior. You couldn't keep your story straight in the same paragraph.
-Tough shit. Its a thing I do.
-I will concede that it may be a tad confusing, and I regret that it confused you. Was I being silly? Yes. I write my posts in chronological order. I could've, and, perhaps, should've, gone back and said 'yes, I will get to them in a moment'. I didn't.
Is this such a big deal?
If, indeed, I was not keeping my story straight, then it would be. I would be the most incompetent of scum, revealing that my actions are essentially on-the-fly made up bullshit, seeking only to get innocent folk lynched.
Does that mesh with my playstyle, sir? Does that sound like me? Can you not concede that, even if I were scum, I would have the modicum of competence required not to do something so mind-numbingly stupid?
In other words, yes, it is inconsistent, no, it isn't because I seriously didn't have any suspicions and just voted folks at random.
Next..ahem.
OVERDEFENDING
IS
A SCUMTELL.
NO.
IT.
ISN'T.
See Re:Jim for reasons why. Then again, what follows is a case against actual overdefending, so let me deal with that as well.
You have good reasons for your actions? Fine. Post them when someone gives you a good reason to. Responding to any accusation or prodding remark with a "How DARE you!?!" response is overkill, and makes it seem like you have something to hide. Ditto for pre-emptive defense. You're not saving anyone time. If you post a defense before anyone asks for it, it makes it seem like you KNOW you're going to be investigated, and want to reassure everyone that yes, you're really town. It makes you seem overly concerned about your image. You know who else is overly concerned with looking town, and squashing investigations on them? SCUM. Pretending that these things aren't scumtells is absurd. Town have better things to do, like investigate scum. Even a mislynched townie knows that his words and arguments will be re-examined and hold greater weight after death, so there's no reason to EVER be hyper-defensive. Worst case scenario? You get to give your accusers the biggest "I told you so" and give them some material to hunt with after you're gone. Best case scenario? Your hunting reveals the true scum, and clears your name FAR better than some roundabout argument ever could, AND it saves time since instead of getting bogged down in your defense, the Town catches a scum.
-I will. I do. I have.
-HOW DARE Y-wait no that isn't a thing I do. If you think it is, could you show me where I do it?
-I am not hugely in favour of pre-emptive defence either; however the pre-emptive defence to which dariush reffered, to which I responded 'not a scumtell' was saying "Not to OMGUS, but-", which isn't really pre-emptive defence anyway. I do stand by what I said, that pre-emptive defence is not a scumtell: it does save people time. See above, in Re:Flandre, under the asterisk by investigations- if I hadn't put that there, would no one have called me for role-fishing for investigators? I'm sure they would have, and that would have been my response. See; time has been saved.
-Nope. Dying to prove your towniness is great, but it doesn't prove- at all- the validity of what you said. And mislynching is bad for the town. I believe that I can argue with enough strength to get scum lynched without having to be dead, and would rather no lynch is wasted on me for doing so.
-Worst case scenario I die, you lynch who I suspect, turns out they were town too and you've lost the game. And I don't like saying 'I told you so'.
-I will also concede that my policy of extremely detailed defence does not work as well as it does on paper, often leading to this sort of situation, wasting a lot of time, and making it hard for me to scumhunt at the same time. Which is not to say that I intend to do no scumhunting. Before this started I was scumhunting, after this is finished I will scumhunt, and what has happened in between will form the basis of many scumhunting accusations to come.
I am not to say the first about this, but you DO seem awfully determined to keep your vote on Think. I'd find this suspicious enough on it's own, but seeing as how you made it clear you had no suspects when you voted him in the first place, it seems REALLY scummy that you're basically grabbing a random person and shouting "It's him it's him, omg you guys why aren't we hanging him already!?".
-Um, yes you are. And, how's that exactly? I was hardly going to unvote think before he responded, just because people had a slight problem with it. Now
that would be scummy.
-no suspects; see above, unfortunate miscommunication, apologies.
-At what point, sir, have I called for a lynch of Think? At what point, in fact, have I called for a general cross-examination of Think? I was accosting Think on my own, engaging in independent scumhunting, and I do not like the way you represent me here. If this was all of your post I would make a point of this, but obviously you were pretty sure I was scum by this point, leading to the crack in your otherwise calm and sensible attack.
It wasn't easy acting scummier than Simple, NUKE9.13, but dammit you gave it your all. Enjoy your noose, you've earned it.
I hope that I have convinced you otherwise.