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[Aqizzar]

CNN said that when Mubarak announced he was stepping down the Muslim Brotherhood was one of the parties that he negotiated with.

Yeah.  One of dozens.  It's a question of scale dude, and the Muslim Brotherhood, while certainly a dangerous element to be keep under close watch, is both pretty minuscule in most countries, and engaged in a lot more activities other than frothing at the mouth.

[Sowelu]

I guess that, to me, it's similar to how a US presidential candidate might talk to fundamentalist religious groups and perhaps even get their support.  Yeah it's a little more extreme in this case, but...you can't pretend they aren't there, but it doesn't mean you're owned by them at all.  Hell you can be opposed to them in all your viewpoints and still negotiate to find some compromises, reach an understanding, and prevent open hostilities.

[Christes]

Well, many of the protests have been decidedly anti-semitic, in any case.

Also, Qadaffi forces retake Zawiyah.  Not really anything new, since we saw it coming.

[Zrk2]

Links:
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/features/2011/02/2011223113653846953.html
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-turn/2011/03/will_muslim_brotherhood_contro.html

Aqizzar is right, but they are also determined to regain the Holy Land, so much so that Israel straight out endorsed Mubarak. I don't have a link for that one though.

[Sowelu]

Well, many of the protests have been decidedly anti-semitic, in any case.

So are some of the groups who support presidential candidates in the USA, too, just for the record.

I remain hopeful for sanity.

[Bouchart]

I think the Muslim Brotherhood recognizes that the whole region is going to implode and they don't want to be responsible for countries descending into ruin.

Basically they don't want to try to catch a falling knife.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Call me crazy, but I somehow doubt that pro-democratic protestors who have successfully overthrown their dictators are suddenly going to turn around and say: "Well, time to let the Muslim Brotherhood institute another repressive autocratic regime, except even worse this time around! Good revolution everyone, now go home and forget about why we did this in the first place."

[Bouchart]

Call me crazy, but I somehow doubt that pro-democratic protestors who have successfully overthrown their dictators are suddenly going to turn around and say: "Well, time to let the Muslim Brotherhood institute another repressive autocratic regime, except even worse this time around! Good revolution everyone, now go home and forget about why we did this in the first place."

What percent of the protesters are pro-democratic?  How many of them are just ordinary folk that barely have enough food to survive?  I'm still inclined to think that this is very likely to end up like the Russian Revolution back in 1917.

[Zrk2]

I remain hopeful for sanity.

...You have noticed the world lately, right?

What percent of the protesters are pro-democratic?  How many of them are just ordinary folk that barely have enough food to survive?  I'm still inclined to think that this is very likely to end up like the Russian Revolution back in 1917.

Most likely this will turn out true. How many revolutions achieved their actual goals?

[Bouchart]

Yeah I keep going around in circles and bringing that up every few days or so.  Lol.  I'll stop I promise.

[Sowelu]

You mangled your quotes there, Zrk2.

[Christes]

Yeah I stared at that for a bit while trying to remember when I wrote that.

[PTTG??]

All these uprisings are being supported by the Muslim Brotherhood, correct?

If they are I feel bad for Israel.

What?

There was some talk at the beginning that they where marginally involved in working with a subset of a portion of the Egyptian protesters. There's some muslim involvement in general, but that's always true with middle eastern politics.

Note that Israel has it's own internal stresses and has seen the same kind of unrest as many other countries, and not just from muslim citizens, but the dissatisfied middle classes that have little representation in the theological government.

[Aqizzar]

I don't know if it's been linked here in a while, but there was a link to the Atlantic photo-archive in the Japan thread.

Pictures of the Libyan civil war from this week, some of them from yesterday or so.  30/31/32 are fucking haunting, and the whole thing really shows what a wild and anarchic fight it is.  Both sides of the conflict appear to be little more than very well-armed mobs of angry people, but it's hard to get a good picture of the pro-government forces.

[Nadaka]

I don't know if it's been linked here in a while, but there was a link to the Atlantic photo-archive in the Japan thread.

Pictures of the Libyan civil war from this week, some of them from yesterday or so.  30/31/32 are fucking haunting, and the whole thing really shows what a wild and anarchic fight it is.  Both sides of the conflict appear to be little more than very well-armed mobs of angry people, but it's hard to get a good picture of the pro-government forces.

 It is kinda hard to get a picture of genocidal soldiers with orders to shoot everyone, especially people with cameras.