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[Crossroads Inc.]

I recently dumped two new worldgens, purely because I couldn't find a sight that had HFs, a River(for fres hwater) AND a magma pipe.  Now, I used to not even know how to use magma, and just used vast amounts of wood.  Now that Ive dsicovgereds the joys of an infinte forege and smelter, I just can't see mysewlf playing a map unless theres a Magma pipe.  Anyone else feeling spoiled?

[kalida99]

You're not the only one, i can't play on a map without a magmapipe...


drives me crazy with the laisons refusing to bring me more than 3 wood...

[Grendus]

It's not a dwarf fortress without magma. Magma doesn't spoil a fortress, it's a prerequisite.

[Derakon]

Coal is unreliable. Trees require appropriate biomes and a massive woodburning campaign. Magma is easy to use and makes many different "toys" possible. Which of these options are people going to pick? Hmmm.

[shadowclasper]

Agreed.

I can play without a HFS, hell, I can even play without a river or brook if I can figure out another water source (aquifer, purified sea water reservoir, brook, really freaking big lake I can drain into an underground resevoir where it won't evaporate)

But magma is necessary, it is the bread and butter of any fortress! I WOULD GO SO FAR AS TO CLAIM THAT WITHOUT MAGMA! A DWARF IS NOT A DWARF! HUMANS USE CHARCOAL AND COAL FOR THEIR SMITHING AND SUCH! BUT A DWARF KNOWS THAT ONLY MAGMA IS WORTHY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE MOST MAGNIFICENT OF BLACKSMITHING AND OTHER HEAT RELATED JOBS!

[100killer9]

What do hippies elves use?
Oh wait, they use charcoal, because they are hypocrites, making wood objects and crying about dwarves cutting down trees.

[XSI]

Elves don't use charcoal, or anything metal related at all.

They wear wood armour and use wooden weapons, the least effective weapons in the game.

Besides, magma is a need for any fort, unless someone mods coal to be a full layer, I expect every dwarven fortress to have magma(As long as it's from a player that knows what he's doing)

[LegoLord]

There are mods that make coal less useless.  A prime example is the wonderment mod.  Very good game rebalance, that mod.

[slink]

My first fortress was starved for wood, besides the fact that I hadn't the slightest idea how to play.  Somehow this got tied in my mind to the idea that playing without magma was extremely hard.  At first I was afraid of magma, but once I learned how to place the furnaces and forges so that the magma-monsters can't get out, I couldn't imagine playing without it.

Then I got a nice map without magma and decided to try to play it.  Imagine my surprise when I was able to perfectly well progress using coal.  In fact, on my current map I have coal, lignite, iron ore, and flux.  I can actually make steel, which on my magma maps has been almost impossible.  The flip side of having caravans only bring three pieces of wood is having caravans only bringing three pieces of bauxite or limestone.

Magma is really convenient, and is great on a map with sand where a person can concentrate on glass products.  That is one place where coal furnaces are a problem.

Obviously the ideal map is the one that has magma, iron, flux, coal, bauxite, and sand all within a 6x6, along with a water source.  I think we all knew that, though. 

[LegoLord]

Don't forget HFS.

[Skorpion]

Magma is fun. Also, Fun.

No magma is not fun. I'm constantly grubbing for wood and fuel, and I can't collect random metal mixes.

[Jude]

I never play without magma unless it's some kind of special challenge.

[Dante]

Obviously the ideal map is the one that has magma, iron, flux, coal, bauxite, HFS and sand all within a 6x6 2x2, along with a water source underground river and Terrifying biomes.  I think we all knew that, though.

Fixed that for you.

[Itnetlolor]

Speaking of special challenges. Is it possible at all to have a region that has more than 1 HFS?

That could get interesting; albeit extremely, ridiculously, ludicrously rare.

[SquirrelWizard]

I love magma because it requires some finesse to get the most out of it, but also because it is so much !!FUN!! Alot of times my designs require magma in some way (like casting obsidian or using it to sort goblinite)