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[Helgoland]

Baug, how come you're channeling LSP? I notice a distinct lack of capital letters in your post.

[Fniff]

It's the fashion. I like thinking of it as wearing a black armband when a friend/family dies.

[Bauglir]

Ah, sorry. I do that to signify deadpan speech, which is kinda non-obvious.  Maybe I should put it in my sig. I think I've got a line left. Generally meant to signify that I should not be taken too seriously, usually because I am not emotionally invested in the topic, or am attempting to make a joke, or am saying something I know is both true and unhelpful. In this case, the first - I'm not particularly keen on getting into an actual debate on the nature of software subscriptions. Making the point was worthwhile, but not defending it. On the other hand, I am (most of the time) happy to clarify the intended meanings of my posts, hence my replies to both you and Avis-Mergulus.

[Bohandas]

They're only painting with too broad a brush if your assumption about them rejecting the cases where that makes sense is true, which it might not be.

not really - the literal text of his post meets my description of painting too broadly, as it does not allow for the case i brought up as a counterexample. the post begins with a description of my expectation of his response to the rest of the post. perhaps it was overly mean, though.

That's the exception, not the rule.

I'm talking about shit like Adobe changing all their software that used to be installable to a subscription model.

[KingofstarrySkies]

I got home and was shouted at by alcoholic grandfather (Who is drunk-It was 4:00 Pm when I got home, so fuck right off) for not understanding his impossible to understand instructions, following which I hear porn from the kitchen. He has headphones. He wasn't using them. This went on for a solid 5 minutes.

He's killing himself and pissing me off and I wish I could do something about it. Every time someone tries to talk to him about it he denies it like it's news of the plague- He thinks we're all fucking stupid, slurring "I haven't had a drink all day" to my grandmother who is at her breaking point. He's not much better sober, usually overly crabby from a hangover I expect. I wonder if he just thinks the only cure for it is more booze.

I dunno why I bother to post in this thread, though. I'd probably shove this more in the rage category but alas. Besides, this is a nice thread for venting.

As for those above me, especially Kot, I can only wish you the best. You seem like a pretty solid guy, for what it's worth. Hope things get better, for all of us, I guess.

They're only painting with too broad a brush if your assumption about them rejecting the cases where that makes sense is true, which it might not be.

not really - the literal text of his post meets my description of painting too broadly, as it does not allow for the case i brought up as a counterexample. the post begins with a description of my expectation of his response to the rest of the post. perhaps it was overly mean, though.

That's the exception, not the rule.

I'm talking about shit like Adobe changing all their software that used to be installable to a subscription model.

They need to make money. Subscriptions aren't that bad, to be honest. I don't pay many due to lacking a steady source of income, and I think some are absolutely braindead. (Looking at you, XBOX Live and the PS4 version of PSN. I want to play multiplayer for free.)

[Bauglir]

i am happy to be wrong

[Bohandas]

They're only painting with too broad a brush if your assumption about them rejecting the cases where that makes sense is true, which it might not be.

not really - the literal text of his post meets my description of painting too broadly, as it does not allow for the case i brought up as a counterexample. the post begins with a description of my expectation of his response to the rest of the post. perhaps it was overly mean, though.

That's the exception, not the rule.

I'm talking about shit like Adobe changing all their software that used to be installable to a subscription model.

They need to make money.

They could always try selling software.

[Jopax]

They're only painting with too broad a brush if your assumption about them rejecting the cases where that makes sense is true, which it might not be.

not really - the literal text of his post meets my description of painting too broadly, as it does not allow for the case i brought up as a counterexample. the post begins with a description of my expectation of his response to the rest of the post. perhaps it was overly mean, though.

That's the exception, not the rule.

I'm talking about shit like Adobe changing all their software that used to be installable to a subscription model.

They need to make money.

They could always try selling software.

The Adobe move actually makes sense for them. They used to sell stuff for crazy prices that few people could afford and had issues with rampant piracy. So, to make it affordable for people they decided to make it a subscription thing instead. It's pretty great actually, because now, fledling artists don't need to rely on pirated software until they make enough money to go legit and can instead go legit from the start.

[Bohandas]

They're only painting with too broad a brush if your assumption about them rejecting the cases where that makes sense is true, which it might not be.

not really - the literal text of his post meets my description of painting too broadly, as it does not allow for the case i brought up as a counterexample. the post begins with a description of my expectation of his response to the rest of the post. perhaps it was overly mean, though.

That's the exception, not the rule.

I'm talking about shit like Adobe changing all their software that used to be installable to a subscription model.

They need to make money.

They could always try selling software.

The Adobe move actually makes sense for them. They used to sell stuff for crazy prices that few people could afford and had issues with rampant piracy. So, to make it affordable for people they decided to make it a subscription thing instead. It's pretty great actually, because now, fledling artists don't need to rely on pirated software until they make enough money to go legit and can instead go legit from the start.

Oh it does make sense for them. It certainly does. That doesn't matter. At all. Everything that Machiavelli said in The Prince makes sense as well; that doesn't make it good.

It makes sense for them to the detriment of everyone else. Their customers pay more over the long term. And also, any uptick they have in commerce hurts support for free alternatives, which is bad for absolutely everybody who isn't a stockholder in adobe

[Graknorke]

Well the better solution would probably be just... selling it for less money.

[Orange Wizard]

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Yeah, how dare those businessmen try to make money, it's disgusting

[Jopax]

Yes, paying 30-ish bucks a month for a product that's constantly being updated and worked on is way worse than shelling out 500+ dollars on something every couple of years. And offering a superior service for less money is heinous practice indeed if it means that people who were forced to use free options will now switch to that because they can finally afford it.

[Shadowlord]

Yes, paying 30-ish bucks a month for a product that's constantly being updated and worked on is way worse than shelling out 500+ dollars on something every couple of years. And offering a superior service for less money is heinous practice indeed if it means that people who were forced to use free options will now switch to that because they can finally afford it.

Uh, 30*24 is, like, $720. That's kind of more than $500. I'm just saying.

[Orange Wizard]

Yeah but it's in smaller chunks, so people who don't have $500 laying around will find it easier to afford.

[Rolan7]

Plus, and this counts as a sad, most people who pick up CS4 to work on a project are going to end their subscription after a month, maybe two.

Hooray for those who keep at it, though.