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[Puck]

Hehehe.

By the way - while zombies and skellies can't descend, would it be possible to carry a bunch of skeletons downstairs, drop them THEN animate them?

waiwhat? did that change? last time I tried, I just had to stick around a staircase, wait til they all were next to the laddersquare and THEN descend.

MAYBE this was in powder, tho 

[Leafsnail]

What is the spell that makes you forget a spell and what book(s) do i find it in?

Selective Amnesia.  You can get it as a Sif gift, but I usually find it in a Book of Wizardry.  Definately worth learning and keeping.

The wiki tells me you can also find it in the "Book of Enchantments" and the "Book of Practical Magic" (which I think was removed recently).

waiwhat? did that change? last time I tried, I just had to stick around a staircase, wait til they all were next to the laddersquare and THEN descend.

MAYBE this was in powder, tho 

Necromancy nerf.  Zombies and skellies can no longer use stairs.

[Anticipation]

waiwhat? did that change? last time I tried, I just had to stick around a staircase, wait til they all were next to the laddersquare and THEN descend.

MAYBE this was in powder, tho 

Necromancy nerf.  Zombies and skellies can no longer use stairs.

Gosh DARN that would have been AWESOME! *is tempted to use old version*

[Puck]

Being forced to carry some corpses around for the next level sounds fun too, imho.

[beorn080]

Yeah, its not as bad as it sounds. Makes it less urgent to learn animate skeleton, which can save a spell slot.

Edit: I know Orcs is a good branch to make money, but are there any others? I got a bookshop with Party Tricks in it, and just snagged an amulet of Clarity.

Edit2: Why does this game hate me. Jewelry shop with two rings of magical power.

[Leafsnail]

Yeah... you need to get abominations now if you're a necromancer and want multilevel minions.  Sucks.

[Mr.Person]

You've already cleared Lair, right? There's always money in Vaults:8, Tomb:3, Slime:6, and Elf:7. I know that's not really helpful for you. Snake, Hive, and Vaults all have at least as much gold lying around as the Dungeon, if not more. Crypt, Blade, and Swamp all have a very small amount of money in them. I don't know how much gold there is in Shoals, but I can say that even if there's a lot, it'll be under the water.

Clear Snake:1-4. Clear Hive. Clear Vaults:1-7. Clear dungeon levels. Clear OUT Crypt, since there MAY be some cash in the Crypt:4 vault. Of course, you'll invariably get an ancient lich who summons Hellions and Fiends (guess how my last character died). Just take the Crypt:4 vault very slowly and bring as much rN as you can.

[beorn080]

You've already cleared Lair, right? There's always money in Vaults:8, Tomb:3, Slime:6, and Elf:7. I know that's not really helpful for you. Snake, Hive, and Vaults all have at least as much gold lying around as the Dungeon, if not more. Crypt, Blade, and Swamp all have a very small amount of money in them. I don't know how much gold there is in Shoals, but I can say that even if there's a lot, it'll be under the water.

Clear Snake:1-4. Clear Hive. Clear Vaults:1-7. Clear dungeon levels. Clear OUT Crypt, since there MAY be some cash in the Crypt:4 vault. Of course, you'll invariably get an ancient lich who summons Hellions and Fiends (guess how my last character died). Just take the Crypt:4 vault very slowly and bring as much rN as you can.

I haven't cleared anything let. I'm moving very slowly, though I just fell down a shaft a few levels, and was hoping there was something easy I could do to make money. I'm just about there, and may get there trying to get back up.

Honestly, I've never cleared anything yet, cept in wizard mode. Was hesitant about Orc due to the massive hordes I always encounter there. Was hoping for instant confusion when I stepped down the stairs.

Edit: I just found a room with about half a dozen humans, a sheep, and  a lava pool. Easiest 2500 xp I've ever made.

Edit2: Success. I made the 650 I needed for party tricks, and got Alistair's. Good God this spell is powerful.

[quinnr]

I really want a book of Party Tricks. It has so much awesome.

[Dr.Feelgood]

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.6.1-3-g7bc38c7 character file.

Demos the Devastator (DSWz)     Turns: 139215, Time: 16:38:05

HP 142/142       AC 24     Str 14      Exp: 26/1180440 (17), need: 6759
MP  41/52        EV 21     Int 34      God: Vehumet [******]
Gold 4986        SH 18     Dex 20      Spells: 15 memorised,  0 levels left

Res.Fire  : + + .   See Invis. : .   y - staff of energy
Res.Cold  : + + .   Warding    : .   t - +5 robe {rC+ rF+}
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : +   v - +2 elf buckler {AC+3}
Res.Poison: .       Res.Corr.  : +   r - +2 dwarf helmet {Int+3}
Res.Elec. : .       Clarity    : .   z - +2 cloak {rCorr, Cons}
Spirit.Shd: .                        S - +2 pair of gloves {Str+3}
Sust.Abil.: .       Rnd.Telep. : .   I - +1 pair of boots of the Abyss {EV+2 Str+4}
Res.Mut.  : +       Ctrl.Telep.: +   C - amulet of resist mutation
Res.Rott. : .       Levitation : +   R - ring "Jobior" {+Lev Dex+4 Int+4 Stlth+}
Saprovore : . . .   Ctrl.Flight: +   o - ring of Credob {rC+ MP+9 Stlth+}

@: deflect missiles, flying, very slightly glowing, very
quick, swift, extraordinarily resistant to hostile
enchantments, extraordinarily stealthy
A: sense surroundings 1, fire resistance 1, magic resistance
2, blurry vision 1, torment resistance, AC +3, Str -1
a: Renounce Religion, Stop Levitating

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 e - an uncursed broad axe of distortion {!w}
 j - a +2,+4 blowgun
 F - the +6,+6 quarterstaff of Mutilation {pain, rElec SInv}
   (You found it on level 8 of the Vaults)   
   In the hands of one skilled in necromantic magic, it inflicts extra damage
   on living creatures.
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It enhances your eyesight.
 H - the +6,+2 dagger of Wuttemp {stab, *Rage +Inv rPois MR Dex+3}
   (You found it on level 8 of the Vaults)   
   It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies.
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
   It protects you from poison.
   It increases your resistance to enchantments.
   It lets you turn invisible.
   It makes you angry.
Missiles
 h - 11 curare-tipped +5 needles
 i - 12 dwarven darts of dispersal (quivered)
 q - 15 curare-tipped +5 orcish needles
Armour
 r - a +2 dwarven helmet of intelligence (worn)
 t - a +5 robe of resistance (worn)
 v - a +2 elven buckler of protection (worn)
 z - a +2 cloak of preservation (worn)
 I - the +1 pair of boots of the Abyss (worn) {EV+2 Str+4}
   (You found it in a Labyrinth)   
   It affects your evasion (+2).
   It affects your strength (+4).
 S - a +2 pair of gloves of strength (worn)
Magical devices
 c - a wand of magic darts {zapped: 1}
 d - a wand of cold
 f - a wand of digging {zapped: 5}
 n - a wand of teleportation (4)
 w - a wand of teleportation (5)
Comestibles
 k - 3 bread rations
 l - 9 meat rations
Scrolls
 L - 5 scrolls of blinking
 T - a scroll of teleportation
Jewellery
 b - an uncursed amulet of stasis
 g - an uncursed ring of sustenance
 o - the ring of Credob (left hand) {rC+ MP+9 Stlth+}
   (You found it on level 8 of the Vaults)   
   [ring of magical power]
   It protects you from cold.
   It makes you much more stealthy.
 A - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities
 B - an uncursed ring of see invisible
 C - an amulet of resist mutation (around neck)
 N - an uncursed ring of teleport control
 R - the ring "Jobior" (right hand) {+Lev Dex+4 Int+4 Stlth+}
   (You found it on level 7 of the Elven Halls)   
   [ring of levitation]
   It affects your intelligence (+4).
   It affects your dexterity (+4).
   It makes you much more stealthy.
Potions
 a - 4 potions of brilliance
 p - 3 potions of healing
 u - a potion of speed
 x - a potion of might
 Q - 5 potions of heal wounds
Books
 s - a book of Air   
 D - a manual of Axes   
 E - a book of the Sky
   
Magical staves
 y - a staff of energy (weapon)
 K - a staff of channeling
 P - a +0 rod of destruction [ice] (10/10)
   (You found it on level 4 of the Snake Pit)
Miscellaneous
 X - a crystal ball of energy


 You have 17 experience left.

   Skills:
 + Level 5 Fighting
 - Level 2 Axes
 - Level 5 Maces & Flails
 - Level 2 Staves
 - Level 1 Throwing
 - Level 2 Armour
 - Level 8 Dodging
 - Level 7 Stealth
 - Level 1 Stabbing
 + Level 4 Shields
 + Level 3 Traps & Doors
 + Level 20 Spellcasting
 - Level 21 Conjurations
 + Level 14 Enchantments
 - Level 3 Summonings
 + Level 6 Necromancy
 - Level 3 Translocations
 - Level 1 Transmutations
 - Level 16 Fire Magic
 - Level 6 Air Magic
 + Level 4 Earth Magic
 - Level 2 Poison Magic
 + Level 10 Evocations


You cannot memorise any spells.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power          Success   Level
a - Borgnjor's Revivific  Necr           #######...     Excellent   5
b - Fire Storm            Fire/Conj      #########.     Great       9
c - Blink                 Tloc           N/A            Excellent   2
d - Regeneration          Ench/Necr      ########..     Excellent   3
e - Extension             Ench           ########..     Excellent   5
f - Ring of Flames        Fire/Ench      ########..     Very Good   8
g - Lehudib's Crystal Sp  Erth/Conj      ########..     Very Good   8
i - Iskenderun's Mystic   Conj           #########      Perfect     4
j - Selective Amnesia     Ench           N/A            Excellent   4
k - Apportation           Tloc           #######...     Excellent   1
l - Sandblast             Erth/Trmt      #######        Excellent   1
m - Abjuration            Summ           #######...     Excellent   3
n - Haste                 Ench           ########..     Excellent   6
o - Dispel Undead         Necr           #######..      Excellent   4
p - Sublimation of Blood  Necr           #######...     Excellent   2

Cleared the Vestibule, Slime Pits and the Crypt. I found most of the spells I was looking for, except Controlled Blink (and Death's Door if I decide to enter the ziggurat). I got Extension buffing several spells I don't know.  I'll miss being able to do that in 0.7.

Next stop is the Realm of Zot!

Does Recall Orcish Followers bring you followers from different levels? Say one gets lost somewhere and I go down some stairs, can I recall him from there?

And if not, how can I make sure that all of my orcs follow me up and down stairs?

No, it doesn't work if they're not on the same floor as you. You need to recall your followers, then have them next to (or within 3 squares of) you when you go to the next floor. You can bring over a dozen orcs with you, but it's tedious. Most people end-up having 3-4 powerful orcs follow them and leave the rest behind.

[beorn080]

I really want a book of Party Tricks. It has so much awesome.

Lets face it, its one of the best books in the game. Everything but Projected Noise is very useful, and I'm sure someone out there has figured out some use for Noise.

I'm currently stuck in a hole. I've cleared Orc as far as I can, can't deal with the wargs in there. The lowest dungeon level has at least one perma invisible monster on it, and I can't see invisibility. Guess I'm stuck with the Lair and a prayer.

Question: Has anyone used airstrike? I've heard good things about it having smite targetting, but nothing about if it actually works in practice.

[DJ]

If player-cast Airstrike is anything like Gastronog's Airstrike, it's awesome.

[Jervous]

The banishment spell is now my least favourite thing in the game :C

[beorn080]

The banishment spell is now my least favourite thing in the game :C

Yep, sounds about right. Personally, I'm not a fan of these invisible demons, but thank god for the Shoals. Found a store with a ring of see invisible.

[Grendus]

If you want lots of cheap minions, you can also worship Kikubaq.... can't spell his name, much less pronounce it. He appreciates killing, and gives you corpses. Great for going through Pandemonium or the Abyss as a vamp necro, since you can't carry enough food for yourself otherwise. Summon corpses, eat some, animate the rest.