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[prefuzek]

EXTENSION

I oppose this. I remember a time when in-game days would last for weeks because of infinite extensions. It was awful.


I don't like ToonyMan's argument that Web's reading of EuchreJack is infallible because as far as I know Jack has only ever been town. However I do agree that Jack looks way more town lately so unvote.

Hedgerow is doing nothing but talk about the setup which is something scum can do just as easily as town. I also think that Roden might be correct in that they slipped up with the roleblocker thing, but it's hard to say. But I'm getting an even stronger scum-feeling on FallacyofUrist, whose posts read more like somebody commenting on a game that they're not a part of than someone invested in figuring things out. Their whole "I'm not going to post reads" thing feels like a pointless affectation, and it's pretty much all they've done so far.

I'll make a full reads list - if, if and only if you post a case, voting for the player you think is scummiest. The case must contain at least three reasons for your vote and three quotes from different posts to go with it, and the reasons cannot include 'has not posted a reads list'. Sounds fair?

Think about this a bit. Is FoU suspicious of anyone? Do they care about their own reads? They haven't voted for anyone, but apparently they do have reads with which to barter with EuchreJack. But not strong enough reads to vote or even put down any pressure.

What's up, FoU? What are you doing?

[Roden]

@Toonyman: Thanks, I appreciate it!

In this case, do you think Hedge is our best bet if we were to wagon somebody? I don't think he's playing like a newbie town.

Why do you think that Hedge is not playing like a newbie town?

Spoiler: quote from hedgerow (click to show/hide)

So, there are a few ways to look at this.

Roden was so sure there was a BP player at the start of the game that he gambled and asked for him to come out, which EuchreJack agreed with, and pushed for, and then fought back against the suspicion, knowing no BP came forward.  Assuming that isn't completely true, which a townie would never gamble on, especially if it wasn't a BP, because that would leave two key roles, one of which would be risky to keep around and the other completely invalidated by the roleblocking mafioso.

So, assuming it was a gamble, and the doctor would never sell out, I'm going to change my vote to Roden.

Kinda cool.  I think the cigarette helped me with that.

Thing is, he had the advantage were he a townie, and he basically gave them one fewer turns to win were he a townie.  What's odd is the important role would find a way to be subtle getting rid of him, because he'd inevitably be a mafioso.

Your posts in general are really confusing and assume a lot...

But, did you just slip that we have a Roleblocker?

To clarify, did you mean that Hedgerow may have admitted there is a Mafia Roleblocker?

Yes. At the very least, Hedge's theory seems to be based around there being a Roleblocker, but no one ever suggested one existed until this exact post. They're either scum slipping or trying to think twenty steps ahead but forgetting to explain the first nineteen steps.

I don't think Hedge is playing like newbie town because there's no reservation or hesitance in their reads. If you're getting town read and I'm getting town read, newbie town would most likely think we're either actually town or maybe scum buddies. But Hedge wants to push a narrative that there's one scum between us and that we're going after each other, even though that already ended by the time they made their posts about us.

It feels less like a misplaying town and more like an open wolf who wants us to keep fighting.

@Roden: Please answer the above questions.

Why say this not even a minute later lol. It's not like I've been dodging your posts.

@Roden:

@Roden:

I think you're right about Jack. Although I'm a bit miffed my reads are wrong, this definitely looks like a flaying townie now which I suppose is the exact info we need. This makes Web/FoU look better if true although not as cleared.

@Hedgerow:

I don't understand your case against Roden. Also you edited your post again.

In this case, do you think Hedge is our best bet if we were to wagon somebody? I don't think he's playing like a newbie town. I'm trusting you because of your reaction to Jack, you're trying to get him to calm down and stop flooding the thread and you'd have no reason to do that as mafia. Jack feels like a really easy mis-elim at this point.

I think Hedgerow is a better wagon than Jack currently, they're openly scummy but I don't think it's a likely mafia hit. I'm really not feeling Roden/Jack/FoU right now so if we take those players out we're left with Magma/Pref/Blu/Rolan.

That would leave the two mafia inside Magma/Pref/Blu/Rolan. Rolan could be with anyone. Would have to look at the other possibilities.

Do you see anything that looks convincing in there?

Rolan can't be sorted but I think they'd be more invested if they rolled mafia. Then again, they did say they prefer town.

Blu and Pref both have a bit of scum equity with Hedge IMO, so if Hedge flips red I'd look at the two of them. Blu for a lazy town read on Hedge, and Pref for acknowledging Hedge is scummy but then trying to push a wagon on FoU after rejecting another extension. I do agree that FoU needs to contribute more though.

Magma feels so town it hurts. I've noted concerns in my reads list but I honestly can't justify voting them just because of my paranoia. Especially not on Day 1.

[EuchreJack]

@Roden: Please answer the above questions.

Why say this not even a minute later lol. It's not like I've been dodging your posts.

I thought I was being unclear, since I stared with an "@Toonyman".

What are your thoughts over voting Rolan7?

[Roden]

@Roden: Please answer the above questions.

Why say this not even a minute later lol. It's not like I've been dodging your posts.

I thought I was being unclear, since I stared with an "@Toonyman".

What are your thoughts over voting Rolan7?

Ah, gotcha. I don't think we have any way of sorting Rolan, and I don't think we gain a whole lot from voting them. I think there's a pretty good chance they'll get night killed though if they're town, mafia prevents town from gaining info about associations that way.

[Magma Mater]

I feel better about the Web/FoU slot. Here's the thing for me though, Web is really good at reading Jack so if Web thinks Jack is 100% town then that means if Web/FoU is town then Jack is almost certainly town. This point is moot if both are mafia however. I strongly feel Jack is scummy here so I suspect the Web/FoU slot heavily or Web is simply wrong.

This is a little disingenuous. EuchreJack has never rolled wolf (at least on this forum). How do you know that webadict is good at reading Jack, and not that he just town-reads him every time regardless of Jack's alignment? You're treating webadict as if he has some sort of god read on EuchreJack when there's no way of knowing whether that's actually true without seeing a game where Jack is mafia and webadict is town. I'm starting to believe that this is the game where that's happened, and that you're trying to use this to dissolve the EuchreJack wagon.

[Magma Mater]

Also, if FallacyofUrist truly believed that read lists were not VITAL, they would NOT have criticized me for my low-effort reads list.  Extra Scum points for FallacyofUrist for only referring to the first, inferior reads list, and totally ignoring the second, better reads list.

Uh.

I'll be totally honest with you, I never noticed your second reads list. That's fair, then, if you polished your reads later.

The only reason I voted Web/FOU was due to their failure to post reads.

Okay, riddle me this. How many players have not posted a full detailed reads list, yet? Count them up. Are all those players scummy?

And if it's literally only me, then I suppose I can post one for the sake of comparisons, but otherwise I'd prefer to make my first good one Day 2, after we have a full Day of discussion to analyze. Not to say that I won't try and make a few individual reads. Right now, it looks like you're townie, but approaching things from a skewed, narrow perspective, for instance.

Can you make individual reads on every player? I don't understand your hesitance to post a reads list, it looks like a wolf afraid of revealing too much.

[Magma Mater]

I feel better about the Web/FoU slot. Here's the thing for me though, Web is really good at reading Jack so if Web thinks Jack is 100% town then that means if Web/FoU is town then Jack is almost certainly town. This point is moot if both are mafia however. I strongly feel Jack is scummy here so I suspect the Web/FoU slot heavily or Web is simply wrong.

This is a little disingenuous. EuchreJack has never rolled wolf (at least on this forum). How do you know that webadict is good at reading Jack, and not that he just town-reads him every time regardless of Jack's alignment? You're treating webadict as if he has some sort of god read on EuchreJack when there's no way of knowing whether that's actually true without seeing a game where Jack is mafia and webadict is town. I'm starting to believe that this is the game where that's happened, and that you're trying to use this to dissolve the EuchreJack wagon.

Actually, I take back what I said about Toony and EuchreJack being paired. I don't think that's particularly likely considering the discussions they've had throughout the game. However, I do stick to what I said about the pushing of webadict's read being odd.

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Deadline is coming up (again) and I don't think the ToonyMan wagon is gaining traction, so I'll unvote for now. I'll be clear that he's still my preference and that I find his play today highly suspect, but if nobody else is going to vote there I'd rather apply pressure elsewhere.

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Regarding the case of EuchreJack v. Roden, I think that Euchre makes a couple of good points about Roden. In particular, I didn't like Roden's response to the accusation of putting Jack within hammer range - I think a better way of putting it is that his vote placed EuchreJack as the only viable wagon hours before deadline, and if we hadn't had an extension then it's likely that Jack would have been considered a default lynch. I think this is what Jack was trying to get at with his accusation, and I don't like that Roden was using the wording of "hammer range" to escape this accusation.

I don't fully understand why EuchreJack unvoted Roden, though. As far as I can tell, it was in response to hedgerow saying that Jack was focusing too heavily on Roden. Can you explain Euchre, what is your current opinion on Roden?

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I'm going to place my vote here:
FallacyOfUrist
The lack of reads and the amount of filler in your posts is alarming. Despite getting a deadline extension specifically for you to get into the game, you've done nothing but refuse to engage other players. I think you're trying to freely coast to day two by virtue of being a replacement.

I should be back before deadline to answer questions or change my vote if need be.

[EuchreJack]

Can you explain Euchre, what is your current opinion on Roden?

Null read.  Roden's defense, while inadequate, struck me as Town.  It was complete, and the answers were a combination of explanation and misunderstanding.  No outright lies, no redirects, no trying to shift the blame.

We may be of similar minds, since my analysis of Rolan7 was similar to Roden's.  My specific thought process is that voting Rolan7 would be a waste since we only have a 2 out 9 chance of getting mafia, and no association analysis irregardless of how Rolan7 flips.  I hadn't thought of Rolan7, if they should be town, as a likely mafia kill until Roden brought it up, however.  No great loss for Town as Rolan7 isn't currently active, and elimination of a completely unpredictable element for mafia, since Rolan7 or a possible substitute could be deadly for them.
...so I'll let mafia see if they want to risk Vector subbing for Rolan7 on LYLO 

[ToonyMan]

My Reads:

Town
Roden - I think we're both town that found each other, their reasoning for town reading me felt super genuine and they backed off Jack in a natural way
Jack - unless partners with FoU

Weak Town
FoU - Web could have been pocketing Jack so I'll put them in weak town
Magma - hasn't done anything suspicious but I also haven't seen any big town tells, going to be cautious
Bluarian - dropping a bit from a solid town read based on the Jack stuff

Null
Pref - kind of unsure currently, dropping a bit like Blue
Rolan - complete wild card

Scummy
Hedgerow - blatantly scummy, if they're not a hit then I think the two mafia are in Magma/Blu/Pref/Rolan

Other Player's Reads:

Spoiler: BluarianKnight's Reads (click to show/hide)

A quick list of reads;

I like Magma Meter's plays - no aggression, decent questions for a first start. I get town vibes.
Toony is Toony - god as my witness, I still can't read them to save my life. Mentor role might make them seem more town then worth, but for now town for me.
Pref's hunting is pretty good in my eyes - townlean.

I don't like hedgerow's quick aggression - want to see something from him to prove me wrong. Scum most likely for now.
Euchre rubs me wrong - tiny scumlean.

Null for everyone else!

Gonna do a read-through, but first glance..

Hedge feels townier now - they're posting, and it feels towny.

Euchre feels scum. They've gone x100 more agressive. I don't like it.

Rolan.. maybe town?

I dunno.

Spoiler: EuchreJack's Reads (click to show/hide)

Read list (aka EuchreJack's Last Will and Testament):
Rolan7 - Might have something to say on Day 2? I honestly doubt they could play as mafia, they're probably sub out due to the stress.
Magma Mater: So much gold posting, but maybe too town to be town?
webadict/FOU: With the switch, my brain just can't handle it yet - Note that Web was probably in the middle of some gambit, then FOU subbed
BluarianKnight - Has been far too quiet, which is a bad sign for Town
hedgerow - Bad scum or bad town, but maybe town got some use out of their "policy elimination" vote - Null
ToonyMan - See Magma Mater's comments on Toonyman
prefuzek - Not a sheep on this mislynch, but someone that wants it to happen with a loophole when I flip Town
Roden - When I flip town, lynch this person D2

Spoiler: Prefuzek's Reads (click to show/hide)

Sorry I don't have the energy to post much for environmental reasons. Anyway, reads! Mix of gut and a few actual reasons.

BluarianKnight - town lean

EuchreJack - not getting the strong town vibes I usually do. In the past Jack's looked like they have no idea who's who and flail around because of it. They're still posting a lot but I think they have more information this time so it's less erratic. Scum, going to leave my vote for now

Magma Mater - strong town

webadict - up for replacement D1 so doesn't really matter. I disagree with some of their reads though

hedgerow - my gut said their first couple (very short) posts were scummy. This post would be super audacious for a new scum though so I don't know what to think. I'm guessing they'll be a lynch target today, good to keep an eye on.

Roden - probably town for suggesting BP step forward first

Rolan7 - null

ToonyMan - not playing normally (because of vet status?). Scum lean

Overall guess: 1 scum between EuchreJack/hedgerow and 1 scum between Toonyman/webadict/BluarianKnight.

Spoiler: Magma Mater's Reads (click to show/hide)

Magma Mater - would you prefer a doctor or a bullet-proof in this setup?

Can I choose neither? 
I'd prefer bulletproof though, since I'd be able to play like vanilla.
Why did you ask this question?


Currently, my reads look something like this:
Roden likely town.
Blue slight town.
EuchreJack very slightly town. I like the tone of his posts even though the content is not great.

prefuzek I have a slight wolf read on due to the post where he accuses hedgerow of going for a policy lynch on Euchre. I also really dislike the accusatory tone loaded into the "how do you know what the hackers are going to do" question toward hedgerow in the same post. It seemed clear to me that hedgerow was only making a supposition, the purpose of asking this question is probably just to make a backhanded accusation.

Toony I have a slight wolf read on as well. Earlier in the day, after I asked him if he's a closed book, he responded that no, he tends to spill all of his thoughts on things. Given that, I'd expect him to be less resistant to sharing his reads. As it is, I have no idea whom he suspects since his main line of inquisition seems to end in EuchreJack confirming that yes, he was acknowledging prefuzek's accusation as true.

FallacyofUrist doesn't have a reads list so I'll use what Webadict had instead for this slot.

Spoiler: Web/FoU's Reads (click to show/hide)

Anyway, since I'm feeling a bit better, initial feelings are:

Magma Mater - Super blathery but also super Town. Probing for answers. Enter the pocket.
EuchreJack - Very Town. Sheeping the right answers.
hedgerow - Hmm... Town. Call it a hunch. I would explain why, but only if hedge asks. The pocket easily fits two.
Roden - Townlean. Against the BT strat for what feels like legitimate reasons. Is that even a good reason to trust someone is Town? Maybe. Still gonna do it.
Rolan7 - I forgot everything I read from them.
BluarianKnight - Scumlean. Absolutely no reason. Okay, maybe also because bias.
ToonyMan - Was Townlean until they didn't like EuchreJack's reasoning for BluarianKnight, which is really baffling and super passive. Give me better.

Spoiler: Hedgerow's Reads (click to show/hide)

EuchreJack is scum for just giving it to Roden over and over again; that much is clear.
Everyone else seems about normal.  Can't really complain.  Just a regular townie doing regular townie things.
Roden would give the advantage to the mafia though.  There's no good reason to put the BP out there and he was sure enough to pin him or his partner as a role.

Spoiler: Roden's Reads (click to show/hide)

TOWN

Magma Mater- Very proactive, asks a lot of questions but they are good questions. By all accounts, they appear to be very pro-town. However, I could see a mafia play here where they try to have a very strong town start and coach their partner to answer questions as innocuously as possible. Specifically, the beginning RQS questions, since absolutely no one got tripped up by them. This isn't likely to be fair, but it's a possibility that I want to keep in mind as the game progresses. Overall though a strong town read.

ToonyMan- Has been doing what he can to be helpful and apply pressure on questionable posts. I understand he can be duplicitous but I think his ISO check on me indicates a town mind set.

BluarianKnight- This is a very light town lean since they don't have a lot of content yet. But what they do have so far is fine, since I haven't seen anything particularly scummy come from them yet.

NULL

Rolan7- Not enough posts to discern anything yet.

Prefuzek- Nothing feels town or mafia weighted atm. Feels like they're playing defensively/reactionary though. I had to reread their ISO since I couldn't remember their posts off hand. Not sure of they're intentionally trying to not stick out or not.

Webadict/FallacyofUrist- Just going off of my interaction with Web, I was leaning scum, but FOU reads a little better. I want to give them some time to play before I commit to a read.

SCUM LEAN

EuchreJack- He claims he's scum hunting, but I'm not really seeing it. His posts feel more like he just wants to show how town he is, but I also get a hint of being combative that doesn't seem like would come from town.

Hedgerow- Man their ISO is just weird. I don't see why they would stick out on purpose if they're mafia, but nonetheless I'm still not getting town vibes.

I don't think I can say I'm hard scum reading anyone yet. But as of now I think there's one mafia between Jack and Hedge. I don't think they're buddies though, and I think putting them on concurrent wagons will be more revealing than just poking inactive players with votes.

Vote: EuchreJack

Spoiler: Rolan's Reads (click to show/hide)

Rolan doesn't have reads.

A Note:
Some of these reads aren't quite the latest but this is what I'm using unless said otherwise.
If somebody is currently voting someone that person will automatically be a strong scum read for them.
I'm using FoU's comments for some of Web's reads.


Town/Scum Scores

This is each player's total read score based on how every other player feels about them.

The points are valued as such:

Strong Town Read = +2
Mild Town Read = +1
Null = 0
Mild Scum Read = -1
Strong Scum Read = -2

Total Points:

The score addition order is (Toony, Bluarian, Jack, Pref, Magma, Web/FoU, Hedgerow, Roden, Rolan).

Magma Mater (+1,+1,+0,+2,+2,+0,+2,+0) = 8

BluarianKnight (+1,-1,+1,+1,-1,+0,+1,+0) = 2
EuchreJack (+2,-2,+0,+1,+2,-2,+1,+0) = 2
Roden (+2,+0,-2,+1,+2,+1,-2,+0) = 2

Rolan7 (+0,+1,+0,+0,+0,+0,+0,+0) = 1

ToonyMan (+1,-1,-1,-2,+1,+0,+2,+0) = 0

prefuzek (+0,+1,-1,-1,+0,+0,+0,+0) = -1
hedgerow (-2,+1,+0,+0,+0,+2,-2,+0) = -1

FallacyofUrist (+1,+0,+0,-2,-2,+0,+0,+0) = -3


Observations:

Magma is almost universally town read.

Bluarian, Jack, and Roden are slightly town read.

Rolan has a point thanks to Bluarian for some reason, basically true neutral though.

I am polarizing with players. I'm thankful for the suspicion though since it makes me a less likely nightkill target.

Pref isn't actually strongly read by any players, could be scummy since it means they might be purposely avoiding heat.

Hedgerow is mostly null or negative reads, similar status as FoU.

FallacyofUrist is almost entirely null read except for the two votes by Pref and Magma recently. Their situation is very similar to eliminating Rolan.

[ToonyMan]

@Roden:

Ah, gotcha. I don't think we have any way of sorting Rolan, and I don't think we gain a whole lot from voting them. I think there's a pretty good chance they'll get night killed though if they're town, mafia prevents town from gaining info about associations that way.

I wouldn't nightkill Rolan if I was mafia. They're the perfect mislynch you can use on any day, it's ideal for mafia if Rolan is town.


@Magma:

I feel better about the Web/FoU slot. Here's the thing for me though, Web is really good at reading Jack so if Web thinks Jack is 100% town then that means if Web/FoU is town then Jack is almost certainly town. This point is moot if both are mafia however. I strongly feel Jack is scummy here so I suspect the Web/FoU slot heavily or Web is simply wrong.

This is a little disingenuous. EuchreJack has never rolled wolf (at least on this forum). How do you know that webadict is good at reading Jack, and not that he just town-reads him every time regardless of Jack's alignment? You're treating webadict as if he has some sort of god read on EuchreJack when there's no way of knowing whether that's actually true without seeing a game where Jack is mafia and webadict is town. I'm starting to believe that this is the game where that's happened, and that you're trying to use this to dissolve the EuchreJack wagon.

I genuinely believe Web could accurately read Jack if they're being honest, yes. It's true that neither of us have seen mafia!Jack though.


Who I Want To Vote:
I don't know how I feel about a Hedgerow elimination. I'm okay with it based on what I've seen of them, but it's frustrating if Rolan is mafia. I think I want Rolan or Hedgerow for today. I don't want a FoU lynch currently but I would honestly prefer Rolan over Hedgerow right now since Hedgerow is so openly wolfing it doesn't make sense to me.

[ToonyMan]

I also think that if Rolan was town at least one of the mafia would have pushed for a Rolan wagon more aggressively sometime during this Day 1, which did not happen as far as I can tell. This could be an indicator that Rolan is mafia and their partner is just trying to ignore the issue.

[EuchreJack]

Toonyman's advised me to look at how players responded to my near death, looking for those playing innocent, and whom seem to know I'm town unnaturally.

One player sprung to mind, and I called them out for it.

As other players are calling for my head, Blue is only reading me as "tiny scumlean".  There was the posturing towards me for calling them scum for garbage reasons, but mostly going after the first person to vote me.  Imagine the town cred Blue would have raked in, if I flipped Town!

The next post is minor insults toward me in response to my claim of buddying, and showing "kindness".  Also tried to stop another train.  I'm actually not sure WHICH train.

AFTER the vote on me seems to come to an end, Blue doesn't like my behavior all of a sudden.  Backs down from Hedgerow, whom might be the next target of Town, while most people are gearing up to pile on.

@Bluarian:
What has Hedgerow done that is townie?

They posted more - now, I've not time to dig deep yet, but I wanted to avoid being a part of a possible bandwagon.

That basically summarizes Blue's play this game.  Scum trying to play the outside game, so that when Town flips Town, they don't get blamed.

VOTE BLUARIANKNIGHT

[ToonyMan]

If Bluarian is mafia I think Pref makes the most sense as their partner? Blue goes at Hedgerow really hard and Magma is probably town. Rolan is a wild card so otherwise Blue/Pref makes the most sense to me. It kills me though since Bluarian always rolls mafia.

[EuchreJack]

Updated Reads list
EuchreJack - My analysis of Blue depends on your belief in me being Town
Magma Mater - MVP so far, Too Town to Be Town is an awful argument, right?
ToonyMan - If Toonyman were scum, their efforts in trying to lynch me would make them a D2 lynch AND Toonyman knows it.  Ergo, probably Town.
FallacyofUrist - Inherits townlean from Web, I really want them around D2 if Town.  If Scum, I think Town can handle them.  Bad pick for lynch D1
Hedgerow - First Mafia game, at least first play-by-post mafia game.  Too afraid to admit it.  Probably being mislynched for being so new.
Roden - Might be sheeping Toonyman a bit on this one, also I analyzed Roden recently
Rolan7 - Null
prefuzek - Gets minor scumpoints for not extending even one more day, as that would be the move as scum.  I think they tried to mislynch me, and they're trying to mislynch FOU, but I have little actual evidence of scumminess.  You can see I've been working them, but nothing solid yet.


BluarianKnight - See analysis, and my vote

@ToonyMan: Ninja'd me with your post, you can see that I generally agree with you, although hadn't figured it out as well.

[FallacyofUrist]

Can you make individual reads on every player? I don't understand your hesitance to post a reads list, it looks like a wolf afraid of revealing too much.

Ah, a supporter of EuchreJack's philosophy. I'm more of the philosophy that we learn more from the reactions to me not posting a reads-list than the reactions of me posting a reads-list, so normally I would save it until Day 2, but...

Here, I'll bribe you.

I'll make a full reads list - if, if and only if you post a case, voting for the player you think is scummiest. The case must contain at least three reasons for your vote and three quotes from different posts to go with it, and the reasons cannot include 'has not posted a reads list'. Sounds fair?

The Case of Town versus Roden:

It might not be the best case exactly, but it met the parameters I set, and there was clearly effort put into it, which I respect.

And going back on agreements is just a dick move. So yeah, I'll make a reads list.


Very Town:
EuchreJack. I think this is the one I can afford to hesitate the least on. Euchre is playing like... twitchy, new, inexperienced, kinda skewed town. Odd ideas, but at least trying to put them into practice. Matches the patterns I've seen from a lot of new, less practiced town (as opposed to new, but practiced, town).
Toony. Caveat, I trust my ability to read experienced players not at all, but if I don't at least try to make reads I'll never have any idea (even a poor one) of who the town and scum are. Reasoning, though: Let's set aside the educational stuff he's doing for the new players' game's sake. That's not alignment indicative. There's a platypus controlling me.

I don't think Jack being mafia makes sense unless the team is exactly Jack/FoU, but FoU should always be the one eliminated here first out of the two.

Let me expound on this.

Fact:
Web is good at reading Jack, it's likely his read would be accurate. This carries forward into the Web/FoU slot.

Scenarios:
(from most to least likely)

#1
Jack and FoU are town.
Possible.

#2
Jack is town. FoU is mafia.
Possible. Feels slightly less likely than scenario #1.

#3
Jack and FoU are both mafia.
Unlikely. Jack spewed a bunch of reads while presenting a case against Roden who was very unlikely to be eliminated today when under vote pressure instead of say, Hedgerow. This attitude makes no sense from a mafia POV as Jack flipping mafia would invalidate their case they bothered to write on Roden. During last night mafia!Jack would have pushed for a more likely mislynch instead of going for Roden's head. They also voted FoU at one point but the pressure was very light.

#4
Jack is mafia. FoU is town.
Almost impossible. This means Jack had a very convincing town act when on death's row while also Web was wrong about Jack.

@Jack:
For a self-proclaimed sheep your vote on Hedgerow is awfully sticky and not sheepy. Why do you want this Hedgerow elim so bad? Why aren't you vote hopping like a madman?

The way ToonyMan is interacting with the game state feels a little detached, but not necessarily in a bad way. Just like his focus has changed in playstyle from normal, for the sake of the new-player game. There are clearly cases being considered and pursued, just not as aggressively as normal - giving other people their time to shine, as per his 'I will cry if we get a Fal/me/Blu' endgame comment.

Sorta Town:
Magma Mater. Consistent. Like a brick. A positive, well-aimed, brick. Doesn't play like a newbie. Not sure they're judging Toony right, but that's okay. I don't have to agree with every one of someone's points to find them to be town. I like that they attacked me for perceived active-lurking, which is a good point. It's partly a consequence of my schedule (work and school, my oh my), but I'm taking the time to make a few posts now which should help address concerns? If not, then, well... oh well?
prefuzek. Same reasons. Caveat, though. Attacking someone who's producing a bunch of posts without much substantial content may be a good idea, but it could just as easily be 'oh, they're an easy target, let's rank them'. Still, I like it. For the moment.

Neutral:
Roden and Rolan. Roden's particularly focused on setup information, but not entirely, to be fair. And Rolan has... one post? One? I don't like that. Ironically, I must ask that you post more.

Time To Feast Time To Feast Time For You To Be Deceased:
Hedgerow.

EuchreJack is scum for just giving it to Roden over and over again; that much is clear.
Everyone else seems about normal.  Can't really complain.  Just a regular townie doing regular townie things.
Roden would give the advantage to the mafia though.  There's no good reason to put the BP out there and he was sure enough to pin him or his partner as a role.

This tastes really bad. 'Everyone else seems about normal' is just... no? Nothing at all stands out among everyone else? That's a lotta detachment.
BluarianKnight. They're playing like they did in Magic Mafia. I'd vote them, but hedgerow stands out more for the moment.