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Author Topic: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 4/9 [Eruption: Fallacy of Logic- Hackers Win]  (Read 51176 times)

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Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 9/9 [Day 1: Hackers Among Us]
« Reply #180 on: June 29, 2021, 05:43:13 am »

Come to think of it, no one assumed there was a doctor, including Roden, which seems to suggest that, were he a mafioso, he'd guess.  I'm going to assume he's a townie for that reason alone, because he wouldn't know either way were he not.

But I wouldn't know.

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Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 9/9 [Day 1: Hackers Among Us]
« Reply #181 on: June 29, 2021, 06:58:08 am »

Of note, end of day may come late due to an appointment I have.
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« Reply #182 on: June 29, 2021, 07:15:56 am »

Also of note, likely won't be able to give voteboxes. Though for the extension 5 people need to vote for it.
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Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 9/9 [Day 1: Hackers Among Us]
« Reply #183 on: June 29, 2021, 07:36:30 am »

So, there are a few ways to look at this.

Roden was so sure there was a BP player at the start of the game that he gambled and asked for him to come out, which EuchreJack agreed with, and pushed for, and then fought back against the suspicion, knowing no BP came forward.  Assuming that isn't completely true, which a townie would never gamble on, especially if it wasn't a BP, because that would leave two key roles, one of which would be risky to keep around and the other completely invalidated by the roleblocking mafioso.

So, assuming it was a gamble, and the doctor would never sell out, I'm going to change my vote to Roden.

Kinda cool.  I think the cigarette helped me with that.

Thing is, he had the advantage were he a townie, and he basically gave them one fewer turns to win were he a townie.  What's odd is the important role would find a way to be subtle getting rid of him, because he'd inevitably be a mafioso.
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Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 9/9 [Day 1: Hackers Among Us]
« Reply #184 on: June 29, 2021, 07:40:47 am »

Can you guys vote for an extension?

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Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 9/9 [Day 1: Hackers Among Us]
« Reply #185 on: June 29, 2021, 07:49:50 am »

@Roden:
I think you're right about Jack. Although I'm a bit miffed my reads are wrong, this definitely looks like a flaying townie now which I suppose is the exact info we need. This makes Web/FoU look better if true although not as cleared.

@Hedgerow:
I don't understand your case against Roden. Also you edited your post again.
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Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 9/9 [Day 1: Hackers Among Us]
« Reply #186 on: June 29, 2021, 08:06:31 am »

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Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 9/9 [Day 1: Hackers Among Us]
« Reply #187 on: June 29, 2021, 08:06:55 am »

@Roden:
I think you're right about Jack. Although I'm a bit miffed my reads are wrong, this definitely looks like a flaying townie now which I suppose is the exact info we need. This makes Web/FoU look better if true although not as cleared.

@Hedgerow:
I don't understand your case against Roden. Also you edited your post again.

God, you're right; whatever was I thinking.

I'm just juggling between Roden and Euchre at this point, deciding which is better to lynch: the one giving an advantage to the mafia were he a townie; or the one who wouldn't actually take a hit and get a free turn.

That's my thought process anyways.

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Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 9/9 [Day 1: Hackers Among Us]
« Reply #188 on: June 29, 2021, 08:18:05 am »

@Hedgerow:
There's two groups of players that can narrow down the setup on D1.

1. The town PRs, whether there's one or two they can't talk in private
2. The mafia, who can talk in private

Your argument against Roden, from what I can understand, is that they have additional info that vanilla townies wouldn't have. Is this a line worth pursuing solely? You're completely devoted to mechanics and analyzing the setup instead of just scumhunting.

How do you feel about the players? Who's scum for reasons other than possibly having additional knowledge?
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Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 9/9 [Day 1: Hackers Among Us]
« Reply #189 on: June 29, 2021, 08:32:29 am »

@Hedgerow:
There's two groups of players that can narrow down the setup on D1.

1. The town PRs, whether there's one or two they can't talk in private
2. The mafia, who can talk in private

Your argument against Roden, from what I can understand, is that they have additional info that vanilla townies wouldn't have. Is this a line worth pursuing solely? You're completely devoted to mechanics and analyzing the setup instead of just scumhunting.

How do you feel about the players? Who's scum for reasons other than possibly having additional knowledge?

EuchreJack is scum for just giving it to Roden over and over again; that much is clear.
Everyone else seems about normal.  Can't really complain.  Just a regular townie doing regular townie things.
Roden would give the advantage to the mafia though.  There's no good reason to put the BP out there and he was sure enough to pin him or his partner as a role.

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Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 9/9 [Day 1: Hackers Among Us]
« Reply #190 on: June 29, 2021, 08:56:15 am »

I don't think Roden and Jack could possibly be on a team together.

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Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 9/9 [Day 1: Hackers Among Us]
« Reply #191 on: June 29, 2021, 08:59:20 am »

I don't think Roden and Jack could possibly be on a team together.

Vote for an extension while you're here.

Extension.

Didn't you defend Roden's logic saying he's a townie?

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Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 9/9 [Day 1: Hackers Among Us]
« Reply #192 on: June 29, 2021, 09:07:25 am »

I'm not here to publicly identify whether a player is a PR or not. Why make mafia's job easier?
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Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 9/9 [Day 1: Hackers Among Us]
« Reply #193 on: June 29, 2021, 09:22:25 am »

Good enough for me.

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Re: MATRIX6- Magic Tric Newbie Mafia 9/9 [Day 1: Hackers Among Us]
« Reply #194 on: June 29, 2021, 09:32:01 am »

Haven't read anything. Meant to be online earlier but stuff came up.
Extension I see people are doing this
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