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« Reply #43110 on: January 09, 2021, 04:19:29 pm »

I really dont think he would start a nuclear war over an election.

Well, I hope no one is that deranged.

People claiming Trump would start a nuclear war are idiots just trying to stir up as much fear as they can. In order to believe that we'd end up in a nuclear war because of Trump, you'd have to believe that Trump was done living, that everyone around him when he gives the order is done living, that everyone who the order goes to is done living, and that everyone in charge of actually pressing the button was done living as well, since launching nukes is just a way to commit extremely over-the-top suicide, except with a side of mass murder.

In short, you have to actively be deluding yourself to believe that Trump would give that order, and actively be deluding yourself EVEN MORE to believe that any such order would be obeyed, or would indeed make it past the guy holding the nuclear football.
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« Reply #43111 on: January 09, 2021, 04:33:28 pm »

About the ban, I mean it was irresponsable to say the least to call for people to gather there that day.

But there is far worst people in twitter, even some outright threatening your country like several idiotic "politics" from here and I dont see them banned. Why? It is good to shut down violence calls and idiotic dickheads, I agree. But why do so selectively?
I grant that migth Maduro live on the USA he migth got more attention from the twitter heads, but still is kinda unnerving.

Either ban all the fucking idiots, Maduro and Trump included, or let them all spout their garbage.
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« Reply #43112 on: January 09, 2021, 04:35:27 pm »

I wouldn't put it past him getting off a final parting shot against Iran (some remote/droney-thing, most definitely Not A War™, because he's not started any wars...) or some less obvious but equally uneasy action.  Depending on several factors[1], it could get out of hand.

Though I doubt it, thankfully.


[1] In some ways, it might be a useful move for 'America' to make that it can usefully blame on Trump having asked for it to happen, that Biden can be contrite but happily distanced from. Thus maybe some demi-hawks might not be too unhappy to be forced into action.
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« Reply #43113 on: January 09, 2021, 04:37:55 pm »

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Well, he wasn't banned for organizing *yet another* large gathering of mostly-maskless people.  He was banned for praising them during the attack (supporting their cause, restating that the election was stolen, but also tacking to the very end that they should "go home in peace".  But that they were "beautiful" and he "loved them".).  That's my understanding, anyway.  Those were the two tweets that were taken down, and I don't know what he posted once the 12-hour suspension ended.
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« Reply #43114 on: January 09, 2021, 04:38:07 pm »

Well, he has the nuclear codes, and at one point they were talking about an executive order (? or something) so that federal anti-discrimination laws no longer take "disproportionate impact" into account. That's a pretty big deal in the application of the law.

This one is an agency regulatory action in the works, not an executive order -- basically something that takes a lot longer and is somewhat easier to beat in court if improperly done, but also much more substantive in effect (e.g. legally binding).

Now normally an agency has to go through a notice & comment process in doing such a rulemaking, which requires publicly releasing a proposed form, taking comments (and potentially doing public hearings), then (theoretically) taking those into account while drafting up a final rule. No proposal has been published yet, so normally this would mean there's no chance of them finalizing it before inauguration, which in turn means Biden can just toss it in the trashcan.

The Dept. of Justice is not doing things normally. The only form this publicly exists in is esoteric meeting notices being held on "Amendment of Title VI Regulations," yet according to leaked text obtained by trade press the rule is going to be direct-to-final - skipping notice and comment completely, and being made effective immediately. This is... probably illegal, as while such exceptions are possible they don't really apply to this situation.


Separately, regarding the 25th amendment, on one of the talking heads segments of the news last night somebody raised the prospect of the 14th Amendment instead.

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Now perhaps unsurprisingly in the post-Reconstruction / early Jim Crow era Congress passed laws weakening enforcement of section 3, but the big difference here is the form of action we're talking about here - not 2/3 votes, but passing laws (i.e. majority house, 60 votes senate, and Biden's signature).

And, indeed, the one time I know of that it's been used - against an anti-war socialist during WW1 who was convicted under the rather notorious Espionage Act - after being elected, congress simply refused to seat him under grounds of the 14th Amendment. (A few years later he won election again, and seems to have been allowed then).

Now obviously it'd be harder for congress to block a president quite so casually as that given it's a different branch, but passing a new law may well work here. Given timing the main impact would be to block him from future office.


I wouldn't put it past him getting off a final parting shot against Iran (some remote/droney-thing, most definitely Not A War™, because he's not started any wars...) or some less obvious but equally uneasy action.  Depending on several factors[1], it could get out of hand.

There was reporting a week or two after the election he wanted to attack Iran (not with nukes, mind) but was dissuaded by the military. I assume at this point they would either do the same or simply ignore him.

(Back in the Nixon era, according to later accounts of those close to him in the WH he would somewhat frequently get raging drunk and make orders that no sane person would follow - and so staff simply chose not to hear him.)
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« Reply #43115 on: January 09, 2021, 04:46:24 pm »

Wait... he did not started any wars???? That is like... a first for a US president??
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« Reply #43116 on: January 09, 2021, 04:54:05 pm »

(@LordBaal... I think that's one of the few claims he's made that hasn't been found to be outright false. Although he got close to the bone, at times, with NK, the whole thing with Qasem Soleimani sparked events that was probably only sufficiently defused by the Irans shooting down their own airliner and giving both US and Iran breathing space to chillax back to merely calling each other Devils Spawn.)

@Dost: I think there'll probably be some 'convenient deafness' if he goes wacky, I just posit that a more 'tactical' request might possibly fall on ears that are slightly less deaf along the lines of "Will no-one rid me of this turbulent priest".
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« Reply #43117 on: January 09, 2021, 04:56:35 pm »

I would vote that Qasem Soleimani counts as a war,. Not that Soleimani did not had it comming but definitively counts like that for me because how it could have scalated into one, so at least counts as an attempt.

Its like Marge telling Lisa that Millhouse didn't count in the Simpsons episode were everything was horrible in the future.... how visionary!
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« Reply #43118 on: January 09, 2021, 04:57:43 pm »

Yeah he literally assassinated a foreign general and tried to get his cabinet to attack that country, but he didn't manage to start a new war :P
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« Reply #43119 on: January 09, 2021, 04:59:14 pm »

It would be more like he failed to start yet another war instead.
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« Reply #43120 on: January 09, 2021, 05:29:51 pm »

not like we declare war anymore...
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« Reply #43121 on: January 09, 2021, 05:32:18 pm »

war ... has changed ...

(war ... never changes ...)
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« Reply #43122 on: January 09, 2021, 06:08:46 pm »

Countries these days don't really go to war, according to the legal definitions of it, yeah. It's basically just pedantry abused to enable hostilities without needing to tackle some of the legal hurdles that a declaration of war would impose. If I recall, hostilities without a declaration are also less disruptive diplomatically regarding countries that would want to maintain relations with belligerents but wouldn't want to count as being involved in the conflict by association with said belligerents.

That said yeah, in the modern sense, there have been military hostilities that would count as waging war de facto, being consistent with how military hostilities have generally been carried out by basically every country since the end of WWII.
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« Reply #43123 on: January 09, 2021, 06:13:05 pm »

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« Reply #43124 on: January 09, 2021, 06:15:11 pm »

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I'm sure there have been a lot of interpretations of it, but I think that "unable to discharge the duties" bit would include mental issues as well as physical.  Doesn't matter if it's Alzheimer's or being deranged.  And I think he is deranged.

Just look at all the stuff coming out about him being excited about seeing it happen.  Being upset, not because the Capitol was being invade, but that the people doing it looked "low class".  Delaying sending in the National Guard (which Pence eventually did).  Calling Congressmen to attempt to get them to delay or upset the vote (instead of calling in the NG), while insurrectionists were bashing in the doors.

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