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[Jack A T]

TDS: So, just to be clear, you're claiming to be The Completely Town-Beneficial Pro-Town Third Party.  Uh-huh.  Interesting.
Reasons for your actions, please.

[TheDarkStar]

TDS: So, just to be clear, you're claiming to be The Completely Town-Beneficial Pro-Town Third Party.  Uh-huh.  Interesting.
Reasons for your actions, please.

I don't care who wins as long as someone does while there are few enough corrupted posts. However, there is currently one dead member of the scumteam, so they are obviously a lot weaker. Scum also appear to be the main people corrupting things while town do not.

If it was later in the game and if I had avoided claiming, it still would have been possible for me to side with the scumteam (messing up purified posts and changing corrupted posts after people die) but it's kind of impossible for me to do that now because it would be obvious. So yes, I've decided/been forced to be pro-town and my abilities appear to be more helpful to the town than the scum.

Night actions: Spiced up post 38, poured the flavor into the first seven quoted posts. I chose post 38 because there were lots of quoted posts in it and it was a likely scum target. I poured the post both to complete the spreading of color and to nullify corruption.

[Persus13]

Night actions: Spiced up post 38, poured the flavor into the first seven quoted posts. I chose post 38 because there were lots of quoted posts in it and it was a likely scum target. I poured the post both to complete the spreading of color and to nullify corruption.

N1 or N2?

Can you summarize your role flavor?

[Mephansteras]

The Vote Tally
TheDarkStar: BlackHeartKabal, Jack A T, Persus13


Day ends ~4pm Pacific Friday

[Jack A T]

Quick post while I'm writing something significant up:
Persus: Can you confirm for the record precisely whose actions altered your Post 32's colouration last night?

[Jack A T]

fillipk: Give details about your claim, please.

[Jack A T]

Heh.

What's Changed:
#28, 29, 32, 33, 34 no longer Tainted, now Coral-colour (orangeish, almost certainly tied to Firebrick).
#36 no longer Clear, now Coral-colour.
#38 no longer Firebrick-colour, now Normal
#180 (BHK) is now Corrupted

What, of Note, Didn't Change
#35 is still Corrupted
#116 (DA) is still Normal

Last night, TDS poured from 38 (normalizing it; removing the taint in 28, 29, 32, 33, and 34; and throwing his stuff in those posts and 36), DA purified 116, and I poured from it (turning it Normal again and purifying 28, 29, 32, 33, 34, turning them Coral).  We know who and what did every colour change last night except the corruption.

It's quite likely that we're dealing with only one more scum: it's a 9-person setup with a third party, and activity last night is consistent with only one hostile action.  Furthermore, we're dealing with scum that almost cannot nightkill: little firepower, and the town collectively has more healing power than there is damage being done by the scum.  Flabort was the more dangerous broad damage dealer, pretty clearly.

Unvote. I am doubtful that TDS is as benign as he says he is, but he's not the scum.
Claims:
*Deus Asmoth: Wellspring.  Basically confirmed, and has visibly acted separately from scum.
*Jack A T: Flowing River.  Close to confirmed, and has visibly acted separately from scum.
*TheDarkStar: The Third Party That Must Not Be Named.  Is the third party.

*BlackHeartKabal: Flowing River.  I back the reality of his claim (it's completely accurate to the role), but he has not visibly acted separately from scum yet.
*Persus13: Third Eye.  Cannot visibly act separately from scum, but with the number of Flowing Rivers and equivalents we have, we could sort out a test of the role.

*fillipk: Disciple of the Open Mind. No details.  Has not visibly acted separately from scum, it looks like.

*origamiscienceguy: Iron Will.  Non-detailed claim, for security? reasons.  Cannot visibly act separately from scum.

origamiscienceguy.  Is not confirmed and cannot be confirmed to not be the corrupter, is not even a safe role to test, did not help lynch flabort yesterday...there's nothing really standing against him being the corrupter.  Add his utter lack of value added to the daygame, and we've got our most likely scum, I think.

OSG: Your flavour, please, at least.  And your reads.

[origamiscienceguy]

Here's my flavor. I'll do list later.

I am a Disciple of Iron Will. I am more resistant to corruption than most, and require # corrupted posts to be removed instead of 3.

(Censoring the true number since I don't want to give it away.)

[TheDarkStar]

Night actions: Spiced up post 38, poured the flavor into the first seven quoted posts. I chose post 38 because there were lots of quoted posts in it and it was a likely scum target. I poured the post both to complete the spreading of color and to nullify corruption.

N1 or N2?

I added the firebrick color n1 and poured it n2.

Can you summarize your role flavor?

I don't like the taste of the current Mindscape and want it to taste better. Corruption tastes terrible. If the Mindscape does not have a good flavor, I lose.


My reads:

(TheDarkStar - third party)

Jack - Pretty much confirmed town from a combination of daygame and night actions and voting.
Persus13 - Led a lynch on the scum. Highly likely to be town.
fillipk - Not all that active, but almost his entire day 2 game was attacking flabort. Probably town, but it might have been an attempt to bus his ally that went too far.
OSG - claims a town role that can't really be proven. Part of D1 mislynch.
BHK - sheeped the vote for Persus yesterday, sheeped the vote on me today. Part of D1 mislynch.

BHK: I'd like to know your reads and night actions.

[Deus Asmoth]

Reads:
Jack: Strong town. With BHK claiming non-action last night it means he's basically confirmed as a Flowing River.
BHK: Probably town based off role match with Jack and flabort not sharing a rolename with town players, so unless they're both scum neither of them are.
TDS: Has claimed third party. With the apparent lack of power the scumteam has displayed thusfar I'm having a hard time believing he's a benevolent as claimed.
OSG: I'm honestly not buying him being scum at the moment, for whatever reason.
Persus: Iffy. Jack or BHK can arrange a test of some kind at least to verify his claim.
fillipk: did vote for flabort yesterday, also wasn't online for the last three days of that phase. Possible distancing vote that went awry when the wagon formed.

fillipk: what does your role actually do, since the only spread effects seem to be the Flowing River effect and TDS's ability?

TDS: what's the reasoning behind your power taking on different colours depending on the corruption status of the power if your power also removes corruption?

Jack: all I can say for sure about 116 is that I successfully targeted it. Presumably the last scum or TDS (or both) used powers to interfere with the purification.


BHK:

5. Yes, I also voted for you because the "I'm super important to the town, don't be suspicious of me" schtick annoys me. Does that irritate you?

My opinion of you has gone from a competent player to a Roo-tier vig magnet from that single sentence, an explanation why should be unnecessary.

Yeah, I'm going to ask you to explain it anyway. Unless four separate reasons for your play being awful for a town player somehow are outweighed by the fact that the playstyle is also a pet peeve of mine. But do educate me on why you wanted to vig kill the basically confirmed town player.

Your pot and kettle metaphor? Everyone's a pot, then. The first thing that came to your mind with my last few posts was the line of thought asking if you should ask me my role (It, and this entire related subject has gotten way larger than I thought, by the way). But you didn't. What reason would you have to not question my role (which has been a major part of my defensive case), unless you didn't want to-
Wait for it.
Draw attention to yourself?

Your mind reading powers are incredible, especially considering that as far as I was concerned, your role was and is utterly irrelevant. My issue was with your behaviour and how you were clearly a lot more concerned with your own survival than with actually doing anything useful for the town. So, nice strawman I guess?

[fillipk]

Sure, all effects to my posts are more severe by one step, still reading will post tonight

[Deus Asmoth]

Spoiler: There are seven posts in here (click to show/hide)

BlackHeartKabal: Those are interesting interpretations.  Now, why did I ask those questions?

I'm neither Jack A T, nor am I pretending to be Jack A T. Only you know the specific reason why you asked those questions. If I could hazard a guess, you wanted to see how I would interpret those questions. Perhaps you're planning to do something with your role?

Maybe you're corrupted, Jack. How do I know you aren't a mafia Disciple of the Open Mind, or a Disciple of the Flowing River, building up quotes to ignite everyone with your friends like some cobbled together patchwork arsonist?

Maybe you're a town Disciple of Iron Will, or a Disciple of the Polished Stone, building up quotes to bait the corrupters?

I haven't seen much of you. Depending on what you do, I can build up a preliminary read on you for future games, depending on what you turn over as, if you get kicked out of the mindscape, by corruption, vote, choice, or victory.

Persus, why do you say that quotes of posts aren't affected when all the tainted posts contain a quote of Jack's first tainted post?

Hi.  I'm sick and not quite thinking clearly.   Luckily, this is the time for asking random questions, not thinking.

OSG: Explain one aspect of Mafia theory to me, and explain why you chose that aspect.
TheDarkStar: Summarize every player here in exactly two words and an emoji each.
O. Wilde: How can the Mafia benefit from earnestness?  How can the Town be harmed by ernestness?
fillipk: You're scum, aren't you?
flabort: Should I ask myself a question?
Deus Asmoth: What are the main security threats in the Canadian Arctic, and how should Canada prepare for them?
Persus13: How much effort, if any, will you put into post archival in this game?

BlackHeartKabal: Explain, one-by-one, how each of the above questions will help town win.

[Meph edit: Purple is actually a color that could show up, so I've changed it to blue. This is a mod edit and not an ability use]

Persus13: How much effort, if any, will you put into post archival in this game?

I wasn't planning on it, but now that you mention it, I might a little bit. How about yourself?

EBWOP: That purple was meant to be blue.

Early game FOS? What's up with that Jack?

Flabort: What's new in your play?

O. Wilde: Are you new here or are you someone who changed their username?

TDS: When's the last time you played a game Meph hosted? How well did it go for you?

OSG: Explain one aspect of Mafia theory to me, and explain why you chose that aspect.

I choose RVS because we are in it and I don't like it.

It gets people talking, but nothing from RVS can be used as solid evidence against them because of the nature of RVS. That is why I don't like it. What comes after it is good though.

Jack AT

Why did you break Meph's rules?

<snip>

BlackHeartKabal: Those are interesting interpretations.  Now, why did I ask those questions?

Persus13: How much effort, if any, will you put into post archival in this game?

I wasn't planning on it, but now that you mention it, I might a little bit. How about yourself?

Persus13: Colouration is clearly the focus, but I could see content alteration possibly occurring.  Until I have some idea how the post editing in this game works, I'll at least keep a solid record of my own posts as posted.
As for my FoSes, I'll leave that question for a bit later.  Just know that I considered up to 7 FoSes in that opening post.

Jack AT
Why did you break Meph's rules?

OSG: Huh?
If this is about the purple, you don't need an answer to know.  All the necessary evidence is already in my earlier two posts and the layout of the reply system.  Infer.
If this is about my not using your format for voting and FoSing, my method is a coherent and non-rejected interpretation of 'on their own line'.

The only one that doesn't have a quote referencing that first post it this one:

EBWOP: That purple was meant to be blue.

Interestingly, the (presumably third party related) change to flabort's post hasn't spread despite being quoted.

Meph: do EBWOP's count as the same post for the purposes of corruption/purification?

[Meph edit: Purple is actually a color that could show up, so I've changed it to blue. This is a mod edit and not an ability use]

EBWOP: That purple was meant to be blue.

This is funny to me.

Jack AT

Why did you break Meph's rules?

But as funny as it is, I don't think it's worthy of voting over. Notice in the OP, Meph doesn't say anything about purple. Only when he corrects Jack's post does he declare it to (possibly) mean anything. Jack couldn't have known it was a rule.

<snip>

You replied to everyone else who replied to your post here, but not me. Jealousy mode activate.

Maybe you're corrupted, Jack. How do I know you aren't a mafia Disciple of the Open Mind, or a Disciple of the Flowing River, building up quotes to ignite everyone with your friends like some cobbled together patchwork arsonist?

Maybe you're a town Disciple of Iron Will, or a Disciple of the Polished Stone, building up quotes to bait the corrupters?

Those are possible town roles... what are you saying? This accusation makes no sense,
BlackHeartKabal

I don't understand, what do quotes have to do with any of those abilities? I'm not seeing anything about quotes in the OP or my role PM.

Flabort: What's new in your play?

Nothing of note, that I know of. I was thinking of reintroducing the spreadsheet to my play, but I still don't have it working and given the way the game revolves around Meph's mod powers, I don't think it would be as valuable a tool as it would in a game without the mod powers.

Jack AT Same question you asked BHK, but in regards to my questions: How will each of the below help town?
OSG It's LYLO and there is a tie between me and FillipK, your vote is the tiebreaker. Given our meta play, and nothing else, who do you lynch?
TDS Protection is listed in the Event Order, but kills are not. Which roles in the OP would you theorize to work as Protection roles?
O Wilde I want an analysis of all the votes and Fingers of Suspicion in the game so far. Tell me which ones you think are town motivated, and which ones could be distancing, bussing, or buddying.
FillipK What is scum's advantage spreading corruption as compared to a kill? Would you rather have a kill as scum or the corruption spreading?
Deus Asmoth How likely is there to be a spy or mason in this setup? Would it make sense given what you know of the flavor?
Persus When you ask your RQS questions, I want an answer from you for each of those questions.
BHK Define Distancing, Bussing, and Buddying. Seperate definitions from each, and why are they scum motivated?

PPE:

flabort: if I asked you an RVS question, what would your answer be?

42 is a perfectly acceptable answer.

OSG It's LYLO and there is a tie between me and FillipK, your vote is the tiebreaker. Given our meta play, and nothing else, who do you lynch?

You.

How does that make you feel?

TDS Protection is listed in the Event Order, but kills are not. Which roles in the OP would you theorize to work as Protection roles?

Possibly Iron Will or Narrow Path. It's too early to say much, though, and for all we know the protective role could be third-party or mafia. Why does this sound like rolefishing?

Common sense related to the mafia variant's method of corruption for a setup that would be originally played with 13 players. I suspect that the scum doesn't have a nightkill and is going to be corrupting posts to kill. However, one or two measly points of corruption is nonsense. Even with three points of corruption, it's still a two day delay until full corruption, and someone can just cleanse the post. Add in the Disciple of Iron Will, plus the fact that we need three corrupted posts to die? It's way too slow, and would screw the mafia. Which is why I'm going to assume that the Mafia can spread corruption through interaction with quotes, us thinking about already corrupted thoughts in the mindscape. Any other method would be too slow, but this way, with smart play by the mafia, they could keep up a steady flow of kills to counter the town's play. The idea is balanced. It makes the most sense.

Do you think it's scummy to have lots of quotes if you think corruption can be spread through quotes?

BlackHeartKabal: Those are interesting interpretations.  Now, why did I ask those questions?

I'm neither Jack A T, nor am I pretending to be Jack A T. Only you know the specific reason why you asked those questions. If I could hazard a guess, you wanted to see how I would interpret those questions. Perhaps you're planning to do something with your role?

Maybe you're corrupted, Jack. How do I know you aren't a mafia Disciple of the Open Mind, or a Disciple of the Flowing River, building up quotes to ignite everyone with your friends like some cobbled together patchwork arsonist?

Maybe you're a town Disciple of Iron Will, or a Disciple of the Polished Stone, building up quotes to bait the corrupters?

I haven't seen much of you. Depending on what you do, I can build up a preliminary read on you for future games, depending on what you turn over as, if you get kicked out of the mindscape, by corruption, vote, choice, or victory.

What? Why the FOS? Why do you assume certain powers go with certain roles? Insider knowledge, BHK?

TDS: When's the last time you played a game Meph hosted? How well did it go for you?

iirc, it was a supernatural game a year ago. I think I ended up dying kind of early on and lost because I was a third party.

TheDarkStar: Summarize every player here in exactly two words and an emoji each.

Meta reads are annoying, but I'll put actual reads in this form later.

Unvote.
Extend.
BHK: You're probably not mafia.  Squirmy paranoia and wild guessing of motives is not behaviour I'd expect from the mafia in RVS.  Plus, you've treated the list of town roles as if it was the list of all roles (scum included), even though the OP doesn't say that and contains evidence of separate non-town roles.  That, though, does not mean as much until we actually catch a scum.

Interesting that you're so willing to reveal that your power works through quotes.

Anyway, you missed the real reason for most (not all, but most) of my questions: poking fun at the pointless questions we ask at the start of every game.  The only one of those seven designed to be productive in any way was the one to Persus, a way to get the issue of post archival in thread and in at least one other player's mind.  The others?
*OSG got the distillation of most start-of-game questions: 'explain theory to me.'  We have tons of specific variants on this idea, and none of them help anyone do much (except, perhaps, miller questions, by sparking stupid debates that get people trying to lynch each other).  Letting OSG choose the aspect of theory throws out even the idea of it being a (quite unnecessary) test of theory knowledge.
*TDS: Emoji.  That is all.
*O. Wilde got a question about earnestness.  Likelihood of this helping any faction?  Minimal.
*fillipk got the 'pressure' question that doesn't actually pressure anyone at all, plus I didn't even vote for him.
*flabort got a pointless question about a silly practice.
*Deus got the completely off-topic question ("what's your favourite colour") seemingly necessary in any RVS phase, and one even less relevant to the game than usual.

Deus Asmoth: I'm quite pleasantly surprised that you answered that question.  Answering it pretty well with no prior knowledge: also a pleasant surprise.

Would you agree or disagree with the assertion that the American transcontinental railroad would have taken longer to complete if not for the Irish Great Famine?

Don't have time to look into this issue right now, sorry.  I'll consider answering later.

*Environment: Agreed.

*Accessibility: Managing sea traffic through the Canadian Arctic at all, legitimate or illegitimate, is extremely difficult with the current state of our Navy (floating rust) and Coast Guard (polar-capable ships are few and quite old).  There's an ongoing major procurement program for both (well, a major vote attraction job creation program that will theoretically get us some ships), the National Shipbuilding Procurement Strategy, but it's a farce (far fewer ships than originally planned for far more money than the already high costs planned, and we've wasted 6 years already to get no ships).  We have little to no interdiction (or rescue) capability, depending on the time of year.
Luckily, even as it opens up, the Arctic is unlikely to attract much traffic.  It's not great for trade (doesn't significantly shorten many major routes) and it's still going to be an inhospitable and hazardous area requiring expensive specialized equipment/ships/etc. (pushing out most of the petty criminals and the like).  We'll keep on getting cruise ships and 'cruise ships' (foreign intelligence), but I doubt we'll see too much more traffic than we already get.

*Sovereignty: Meh.  There is a reasonable case for the internal waters claim to the Northwest Passage, but it's not a particularly strong one.  The Passage issue, though, is the only one of the territorial disputes that has much potential to cause security problems, and even it is not likely to be too much of a problem (again, not a great route).  Hans Island is a tiny, resource-poor rock on which Canadians and Danes swap liquor.  Hardly matters if we have it or not, particularly since Canada and Denmark have already agreed that the island has no territorial sea (generates no claim to surrounding waters).  The tiny wedge of the Beaufort Sea is a significant sovereignty resource issue, but we've got (and are getting) a ton of Arctic hydrocarbon resources outside of it and our dispute is with a close ally that provides most of our security.  We really should solve the thing, but meh.  We're pretty well-off to have only a few minor territorial disputes with a few friends.

*Solutions: The Canadian Rangers are great, but they can only handle the land.  We need to buy some bloody ships already.

Jack AT Same question you asked BHK, but in regards to my questions: How will each of the below help town?

flabort: fillipk's got a bit of thought on a novel technical issue, which may possibly help us deal with it.  O. Wilde's question, if answered, may have gotten a tiny bit of useful analysis, but considering the paucity of non-RVS votes and FoSes, that is unlikely.  Aside from that, they probably or certainly won't, even for identifying fake-claims.  It's RVS.
Do you disagree?
In addition, regarding your O. Wilde vote, I have a couple questions:
*You voted based on believed third party status.  How would you determine what is scummier than a likely third party?
*You've held your vote post-countdown.  Do you still see him as a likely third party?

Jack AT: Bolingbroke or Henry IV?

O. Wilde: As monarchies go, I only hold allegiance to the Crown of Canada.
Anyway, you reaction-tested with your countdown.  How did it help your reads?

fillipk: You're scum, aren't you?

No but maybe you are, aren't you?

fillipk: no u

@everyone do you think scum can be killed by their own corruption?  How would you go about using that fact against them?

Nothing in the rules indicates they wouldn't be.  Vigging through corruption?

maybe he only gets 12 posts per day?

OSG: How did you come up with this guess?  Was it your top theory?

Extend I don't think where at a point where there's consensus that someone is scum. Will post larger later today.

[Jack A T]

Deus: Not a bad set, but with fillipk's claim, I'd replace one of the posts with one of his.  Testing purposes.

[Jack A T]

Jack: all I can say for sure about 116 is that I successfully targeted it. Presumably the last scum or TDS (or both) used powers to interfere with the purification.

Deus: We figured out what happened already.  Meph sent me a clarificatory PM saying my power returns the target post to Normal.

I am a Disciple of Iron Will. I am more resistant to corruption than most, and require # corrupted posts to be removed instead of 3.

OSG: Format-accurate for town (though scum format may be quite similar), but very bland.  Hm.  I look forward to your read list.

fillipk: And your flavour?

[BlackHeartKabal]

BHK:

5. Yes, I also voted for you because the "I'm super important to the town, don't be suspicious of me" schtick annoys me. Does that irritate you?

My opinion of you has gone from a competent player to a Roo-tier vig magnet from that single sentence, an explanation why should be unnecessary.

Yeah, I'm going to ask you to explain it anyway. Unless four separate reasons for your play being awful for a town player somehow are outweighed by the fact that the playstyle is also a pet peeve of mine. But do educate me on why you wanted to vig kill the basically confirmed town player.

Because you irritate me. That's all the justification I need. And unless someone other than you would like to come forward with tips to my playstyle, then I'm going to what I think is just, and keep it up to spite you. If not for this being a mafia game, I'd start ignoring your posts too.