EDIT: yeah, not really sure how those graphs paint a picture of Muslims being unreasonable. Maybe in Egypt, but the higher percentage Muslims, the less practical it is to have two separate law codes.
Having a large minority (and, in a lot of countries, majority) that advocates to kill anyone who leaves their organization, and to make the rules of their organization extend towards people outside of that organization, doesn't strike me as very reasonable. Unless you support totalitarist regimes that did exactly that in the past.
But that's not what you said, Sergarr. You said, and I quote,
There are plenty of reasonable Muslims in the world, the problem is that the amount of unreasonable ones is 1) much higher, and 2) they have an almost total control of many more countries
Followed by graphs. Let's examine those graphs. Now, before we do, I want to be clear that I am under the impression that what you meant was that the number of Muslim individuals who we are considering unreasonable outnumbers the number of Muslims who we are considering reasonable. Also, keep in mind I live in the United States. I bring this up because our conservative fundamentalist Christians? Which is not an insignificant minority, though thankfully growing smaller, is almost as bad as the fundamentalist Islam you're concerned about. A bit fewer death penalties, at least afaik.
First, by country.
So, of the countries surveyed, 25 out of 38 have the majority of Muslims desirous of Shariah law being implemented.
Additionally, out of the 21 countries/territories surveyed, only 4 have a clear majority of the Muslims who want Shariah law to have it apply to non-Muslims. Two more are torn on the subject.
Out of the 20 countries surveyed, 8 have a clear majority of Muslims who favor Shariah Law being in favor of stoning being the punishment for adultery. Three more are torn on the subject.
Out of the 20 countries surveyed, 6 have a clear majority of Muslims who favor Shariah Law being in favor of death being the punishment for converting away from Islam.
Out of the 20 countries surveyed, eleven have a clear majority of Muslims who believe that the laws do not follow proper shariah law believing that it is a bad thing.
Now, I'll try to analyze it by population, very vaguely. Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria, and Egypt are the most relevant countries here, in that order. Iran would be in there, but it's not surveyed for some reason, and neither Thailand nor Russia are majority Muslim, and they surveyed them in a different way/area anyway. Ethiopia's Muslim population also falls below the vague threshold I'm using, and they aren't the majority there.
Actually, I may have more time than I thought, so I think I might do them all.
Indonesia - ~225.6 million
Pakistan - ~197 million
Bangladesh - ~149.4 million
Egypt - ~82.1 million
Turkey - ~76.7 million
Iraq - ~35 million
Morocco - ~34 million
Afghanistan - ~ 27.7 million
Malaysia - ~ 20.7 million
Kazakhstan - ~12.4 million
Russia - ~9.4 million + ~1.7 million from Chechnya and Igushetia
Tunisia - ~11 million
Tajikistan - ~8.6 million
Jordan - ~5 million
Kyrgyzstan - ~ 4.5 million
Palestine - ~4.2 million
Thailand - ~3.1 million
Lebanon - ~2.4 million
Bosnia and Herzegovina - ~1.8 million
Kosovo - ~1.7 million
Albania - ~1.7 million
Total: 950.7 million
So. Indonesia: 162.4 million support shariah law. Of those, 81.2 million think it should apply to non-Muslims.
Pakistan: 165.5 million support shariah law. Of those, 56.3 million think it should apply to non-Muslims.
Bangladesh: 122.5 million support shariah law. Of those, 47.7 million think it should apply to non-Muslims.
Egypt: 60.8 million support shariah law. Of those, 45 million think it should apply to non-Muslims.
Turkey: 9.2 million support shariah law. Of those, 4 million think it should apply to non-Muslims.
Iraq: 31.9 million support shariah law. Of those, 12.1 million think it should apply to non-Muslims.
Morocco: 28.2 million support shariah law. Of those, 8.2 million it should apply to non-Muslims.
Afghanistan: 27.4 million support shariah law. Of those, 16.7 million think it should apply to non-Muslims.
Malaysia: 17.8 million support shariah law. Of those, 7.3 million think it should apply to non-Muslims.
Kazakhstan: 1.2 million support shariah law. Of those, 0.2 million think it should apply to non-Muslims.
Russia: 4.7 million support shariah law in Muslim areas. Of those, 1 million think it should apply to non-Muslims.
Tunisia: 6.2 million support shariah law. Of those, 2.5 million think it should apply to non Muslims.
Now, I don't really want to do the math for the remaining countries, as low Muslim-populations as they are. Sorry, Tajikistan. I think we get a pretty good picture from these countries. 917.7 million already calculated for, after all.
Total number of Muslims supporting shariah law in their country: 637.8 million - Percentage: 69.5% of Muslims
Total number of Muslims who believe shariah law should apply to non-Muslims: 282.2 million Percentage: 44.2% of Muslims who support shariah law, 30.8% of total Muslims.
This was entirely done using Wikipedia for Islamic population percentages and country populations, and the graphs Sergarr presented. So, I would say as a preliminary estimate, that his original statement, seen above, is erroneous.
Changing the meaning halfway through when I challenged him on it (so that 'it's not very reasonable to have a large minority that likes things I think are bad'), and then imply that I support totalitarian regimes, feels like an affront to me personally, let alone everyone here who wants honest debate and discussion. Please refrain from doing so again in the future, Sergarr.
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