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[Orange Wizard]

Do you have some other definition of the world? When we discuss politics and various isms we better be sure that we are speaking about the same things.

Basically what you said, but a little looser.

Ok, Germany bans Nazism now. Is the BRD a totalitarian state?

A little, I guess? Of course it's not like they've got Though Police roaming around, but preventing people from publicly supporting the ideology is absolutely impinging on the idea of free speech.
That said, it is also completely justified (because Nazism), and UR, if you'd said "ban Sharia law" I would be inclined to agree.
But Islam is not Sharia, and on its own it's only kinda crappy compared to other religions. If someone said to ban Christianity because Biblical law is barbaric and totalitarian, I would be similarly concerned.

[Sheb]

Yeah, I think UR is using some kind of "No True Muslim" argument, since he said earlier than a lot of people who identify as muslims aren't muslim.

Still, the concept of a state being "a bit totalitarian" is ridiculous.

[Orange Wizard]

Does it have to be black and white totalitarian/nottotalitarian?

[martinuzz]

Is it totalitarian to ban totalitarianism?

[miljan]

So the Turkish military coup has officially failed. More than 190 killed, over 1000 injured, and 1500 arrested. There are videos where army using tanks ignored civilian and drive directly over them. Some opened fire on civilians that were marching toward them to disarm the military. Big part of military was still loyal to Erdogan, and also he used civilians to get out on streets and protest/encircle and try to disarm the rebel military positions. 

It was started by one of replaced generals with support from Fethullah Gulen from Pennsylvania , at least thats what Erdogan is saying. "Erdogan pinned the blame on a Muslim cleric living in the U.S. for starting the attack."

[Orange Wizard]

So the Turkish military coup has officially failed. More than 190 killed, over 1000 injured, and 1500 arrested. There are videos where army using tanks ignored civilian and drive directly over them. Some opened fire on civilians that were marching toward them to disarm the military. Big part of military was still loyal to Erdogan, and also he used civilians to get out on streets and protest/encircle and try to disarm the rebel military positions. 

That was a shitshow

[miljan]

I think this is the first time a military coup in turkey failed, at least for the last 4 or 5 times it happened, not totally sure.

[Kot]

This isin't like the last 4 or 5 times. It was small, disorganized and really shitty coup, so apparently people are suspecting that this was all actually set up by Erdogan to gain more power. I mean, the coup never actually did achieve anything apart from shooting on civilians and driving them over with tanks, there are only 1500 arrested people and so on.

[martinuzz]

Latest news: The Greek army reports that a Turkish navy vessel has just been hijacked at Gölçük naval base. The crew has been taken hostage, and the ship is en route to Greek waters.
There's more than 1500 arrested people. Turkish authorities report 2839 military have been arrested.

[Loud Whispers]

I hope the Greeks will be allowed to sell it to pay off some debt

[martinuzz]

I hope the Greeks will be allowed to sell it to pay off some debt

<psst, psst, mr Putin. WTB naval vessel with NATO technology?>

Earlier this morning a Turkish army helicopter landed at a Greek base. The crew of 8 people have asked for political asylum. Turkey has asked for their extradition.

Hmm my newspapaer edited the message about the naval vessel. Instead of the crew, they now write that the Turkish commander of fleet has been taken hostage. I wonder what 'commander of fleet' is supposed to mean. They mean the captain of the ship, or the admiral of the Turkish Navy?

[Loud Whispers]

Crowds are beheading captured soldiers (pic of dead guy)

[Erkki]

Erdo just fired 5 members of the supreme board of judges and prosecutors. https://twitter.com/DailySabah/status/754283343093653504

ISIS is going to love the way things are turning out.

[martinuzz]

Erdo just fired 5 members of the supreme board of judges and prosecutors. https://twitter.com/DailySabah/status/754283343093653504

ISIS is going to love the way things are turning out.

5?
Yes, that, plus 2745 judges have been suspended. Looks like Turkey will have no one upholding the law until Erdogan has figured out who he can trust.

[Erkki]

Erdo just fired 5 members of the supreme board of judges and prosecutors. https://twitter.com/DailySabah/status/754283343093653504

ISIS is going to love the way things are turning out.

5?
Yes, that, plus 2745 judges have been suspended.

Yes. Enter Islamic Turkey.