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[Flying Dice]

I'd hesitate to call Fallout 4 an action RPG. From what they've said about the changes to VATS and skills and whatever I'd say it's closer to an action-adventure game with RPG elements added.

What, pray tell, is your criteria for "RPG"?

In general it'd be that outcomes of individual events were determined more by character skill than player skill.

And? It bothers you that outcomes are being largely derived from SPECIAL scores and perks because... they aren't called "skills", despite functioning more or less in the same way? The only real player-skill-based element of the new Fallout games has been the gunplay. That looks to still be the case, and it's been heavily weighted by related skills and scores since FO3, with markedly decreased performance for characters with low totals in relevant skills and scores. Does it really matter that your ability to pick a lock is derived from Perception and perks rather than Lockpick? That your accuracy with guns is derived from Agility and your related perks rather than Guns?

About the only change I can think of that actually affects this is the shift of VATS from "lol pause to win" to aim-assisted slow motion, and that only relies on player skill if you're disabled, elderly, or for whatever other reason can't react quickly enough to click things in bullettime.

[Graknorke]

It might just be the name "perks", but it implies to me that you'll be able to do everything by default and the perks will just make you better at it, as opposed to actually needing some skill to be competent.

And unless a video's been released and I haven't seen it, we don't actually know how slow VATS will be. And besides that it's going from (not at all pause to win, unless you're only taking Fallout 3) a system based around the use of character skills and applying them most effectively, to a FPS but slower.

[Yoink]

I actually quite enjoyed Fallout 3/NV's hacking minigame... it looked damn cool, and the sound effects were weirdly satisfying.
Sure it was frustrating (and kinda silly) to fail the minigame and end up locked out of some flimsy shack door, but it wasn't too hard to avoid if you were careful.

Also, RPG? A game where you play the role of your character?
I don't think you'll find any "trve RPGs" outside of text-based and/or tabletop games.

[Flying Dice]

It might just be the name "perks", but it implies to me that you'll be able to do everything by default and the perks will just make you better at it, as opposed to actually needing some skill to be competent.

And unless a video's been released and I haven't seen it, we don't actually know how slow VATS will be. And besides that it's going from (not at all pause to win, unless you're only taking Fallout 3) a system based around the use of character skills and applying them most effectively, to a FPS but slower.

I sincerely doubt that they're removing the arbitrary boundaries on things like lockpicking and hacking, those were far too useful as ways to gate content. I expect that it'll be something in the vein of a five-perk run (* = you can now pick Easy locks; ** = you can now pick Medium locks; *** = you can now pick Hard locks; &c.). That, or directly tied to ability scores (Perception's 6? Easy locks are yours! 7? So are Medium! &c.)

We did see footage of VATS in FO4. At E3. It's pretty hard to not know how slow it'll be when we got a good twenty seconds of VATS in gameplay.

[Rolan7]

I'd hesitate to call Fallout 4 an action RPG. From what they've said about the changes to VATS and skills and whatever I'd say it's closer to an action-adventure game with RPG elements added.

What, pray tell, is your criteria for "RPG"?

In general it'd be that outcomes of individual events were determined more by character skill than player skill.

And? It bothers you that outcomes are being largely derived from SPECIAL scores and perks because... they aren't called "skills", despite functioning more or less in the same way? The only real player-skill-based element of the new Fallout games has been the gunplay. That looks to still be the case, and it's been heavily weighted by related skills and scores since FO3, with markedly decreased performance for characters with low totals in relevant skills and scores. Does it really matter that your ability to pick a lock is derived from Perception and perks rather than Lockpick? That your accuracy with guns is derived from Agility and your related perks rather than Guns?

About the only change I can think of that actually affects this is the shift of VATS from "lol pause to win" to aim-assisted slow motion, and that only relies on player skill if you're disabled, elderly, or for whatever other reason can't react quickly enough to click things in bullettime.

I actually pretty much agree with this, I'm sure the new stat system will be nice.  I've mainly been bemoaning it due to nostalgia I guess.  I'd enjoy playing the Fallout tabletop game sometime.

I bristled a bit at calling VATS "lol pause to win" though, that's nonsense   In New Vegas it's a couple of measly bonus hits, mostly useful at close range.  In FO3 it was... pretty much the main combat system.  If you were leveled and specced appropriately, you could win the combat, because that's how stat-based RPGs work.  It was practically real-time-with-pausing, wonderfully ported to 3D.  I admit I missed that in New Vegas.  Maybe FO4 won't be another precision shooter though, hard to say!  VATS being slow instead of frozen doesn't really say much about how deadly it'll be.

[Flying Dice]

Yeah, I'll freely admit that I never cared for VATS in the context of 3D realtime games, it just felt far too dull. I call it "pause to win" because of the tendency I've noticed for it to be used as a panic button in response to being taken by surprise by... anything at all, really. Tried to sneak but your Sneak was too low? Don't worry, just VATS it! Didn't pay attention to the compass and a super mutant's in your grill? VATS! &c. &c. forever.

Despite it being clunky and not very well done, I liked how the gunplay worked, mixing the effects of your stats with your own ability to aim and react. FO4's VATS looks to be the best of both worlds, given that it's basically the bullettime you got with Project Nevada with the VATS overlay on top and the crit mechanic.

[Knave]

Looks like Lady Luck is on our side!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG0DkwNZxME

[scriver]

The Magic of the Unexpected

[Flying Dice]

Fallout 4: Gettin' Lucky.

[KingofstarrySkies]

Cough hoping against hope we get card games again cough

[Ultimuh]

Cough hoping against hope we get card games again cough

Most likely they have been neglected in favor of pip-boy game cartridges.

but we never know until the game is out.

[miauw62]

pip-boy game cartridges are also pretty cool though

[JimboM12]

I just rewatched the E3 presentation. My hype levels are reaching critical mass, alongside half the internet apparently.

I rewatched the parts about customization while drinking an energy drink and began to wonder if that was indicative of regular armor customization.

This began a very weird thought process; I want to make Butch DeLoria's vision come true. I will make the baddest greaser gang the wastelands have ever seen. But instead of motorcycles, we customize and use power armor. Which brought up, if I could customize power armor, why not stitch some logos on leather jackets and create TEAM ELVIS GURREN. If I could upload an image to use as a logo (or mod into the game), I would make our gang logo a headshot of Elvis with Kamina glasses. There can be no more manliness then fucking Elvis Kamina. YOUR POMPADOUR IS THE POMPADOUR THAT WILL PIERCE THE WASTELAND.

tl;dr this game's making me go fucking insane and its not even out yet.

P.S. If anyone knows a good MMO where you can upload custom guild/clan logos, please pm me. TEAM ELVIS GURREN needs to be a thing.

[scriver]

Why not a power armour mounted on top of a motorcycle? A powercycle?

[Aseaheru]

P.S. If anyone knows a good MMO where you can upload custom guild/clan logos, please pm me. TEAM ELVIS GURREN needs to be a thing.

Dunno if this counts, but From the Depths has flags that you can customize, adn all the AI minion combat bots have a flag...

Also, I was gonna talk about powerarmor with built in motorcycles... Sort of (but not really) like Tron...