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[Rolan7]

ninja'd
Also it's an urban area devastated by bombs, like the capital wasteland was.  I'm really excited about that actually.  New Vegas was a great game but my favorite part of the series is nasty blasted ruins.  New Vegas was too developed for my liking.  Maybe I'll enjoy building something out of the rubble myself though.

... I also loved the original RPG elements, like skills/traits/perks/SPECIAL, but eh... mods.

[Neonivek]

I do have a question but it is a bit vitriolic... but since this isn't really a problem that will EVER pop up again I'll put it in spoilers. So people who hate criticism can skip it.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Did anyone honestly like the story about the vault dwellers who developed a cult about using deadly weapons because their vault had a lot of deadly weapons?

Honestly when the child told the story I thought it was basically a story a child wrote... but no, apparently that IS the story.

[XhAPPYSLApX]

That and it is a post apoc setting where most things are made of repurposed junk

True, very true.

ninja'd
Also it's an urban area devastated by bombs, like the capital wasteland was.  I'm really excited about that actually.  New Vegas was a great game but my favorite part of the series is nasty blasted ruins.  New Vegas was too developed for my liking.  Maybe I'll enjoy building something out of the rubble myself though.

... I also loved the original RPG elements, like skills/traits/perks/SPECIAL, but eh... mods.

Hopefully they will be able to mod that kind of stuff into the game, but seeing the kind of things that Skyrim was capable of on a last gen engine. It probably won't be a problem.

Edit: Although technically this is a last gen next gen engine, since they are using the same one, but upgraded.

[scriver]

I think that the game looks pretty great, aesthethics-wise. One thing that was true for F3 was that they certainly worked very hard to reproduce the look of the old fallout games, sometimes to a ridiculous level. F4 looks - from the little we've seen so far - like it wants to establish itself a bit more, appearance-wise. This is not bad in itself, although there's iconic stuff I would enjoy if it remainined the same. If we talk purely "graphic level" them it of course looks superb, but then again I assume it is played on Beth's gaming super computer to give it that way.

However. It also has lots of little things that are very "bethesdian" in that they've been in almost all their games since-and-including Morrowind. They've gotten better for each game but they're still there - people still walk like they're stuck on a stick bound to a rail or something, for example. And that they just upgraded the looks without dealing with these... I'm not sure what the word I'm looking for is... These little annoying things that's been with them for so long, that's a bit grating.

ninja'd
Also it's an urban area devastated by bombs, like the capital wasteland was.  I'm really excited about that actually.  New Vegas was a great game but my favorite part of the series is nasty blasted ruins.  New Vegas was too developed for my liking.  Maybe I'll enjoy building something out of the rubble myself though.

But the Capital Wasteland looked nothing like an area devastated by bombs. At least not to me.

One of my favorite changes in 4 is actually the fact that they got rid of the skills system, because while it makes a LOT of sense in a turn based game, it doesn't so much in an action RPG, again, impo.

I'm not sure what you mean. I'd agree that it fits a highly action/shooter focused RPG better, but I have no idea why lockpicking or science or repair etc would work better in a turn based game than a realtime one.

[Krevsin]

I do have a question but it is a bit vitriolic... but since this isn't really a problem that will EVER pop up again I'll put it in spoilers. So people who hate criticism can skip it.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Did anyone honestly like the story about the vault dwellers who developed a cult about using deadly weapons because their vault had a lot of deadly weapons?

Honestly when the child told the story I thought it was basically a story a child wrote... but no, apparently that IS the story.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

From what I understand of the lore, it wasn't just that their vault had a lot of guns, it also had a very, shall we say, libertarian populace as far as gun ownership is concerned.

Basically a vault full of gun nuts and descendants thereof.

[Graknorke]

I'd hesitate to call Fallout 4 an action RPG. From what they've said about the changes to VATS and skills and whatever I'd say it's closer to an action-adventure game with RPG elements added.

[XhAPPYSLApX]

One of my favorite changes in 4 is actually the fact that they got rid of the skills system, because while it makes a LOT of sense in a turn based game, it doesn't so much in an action RPG, again, impo.

I'm not sure what you mean. I'd agree that it fits a highly action/shooter focused RPG better, but I have no idea why lockpicking or science or repair etc would work better in a turn based game than a realtime one.

It's how those skills worked in the other games, it made less sense in a realtime game to have a required skill level to hack or pick something, whereas in the older ones, it made a bit more sense, because it was like a pen and paper rpg. Hope I clarified it a bit

[Damiac]

I hope they totally ditch the HORRIBLE hacking minigame.  Either come up with a fun minigame, or just make hacking happen automatically.  And definitely DON'T allow me to fail, locking me out, but also allow me to just cancel out of the interface and try again. 

I liked FO3 and NV, but the hacking was one of the absolute worst parts of the game... and it gave you XP, so it gave you XP for engaging in a tedious, unfun activity.

[Flying Dice]

I'd hesitate to call Fallout 4 an action RPG. From what they've said about the changes to VATS and skills and whatever I'd say it's closer to an action-adventure game with RPG elements added.

What, pray tell, is your criteria for "RPG"?

[Graknorke]

I'd hesitate to call Fallout 4 an action RPG. From what they've said about the changes to VATS and skills and whatever I'd say it's closer to an action-adventure game with RPG elements added.

What, pray tell, is your criteria for "RPG"?

In general it'd be that outcomes of individual events were determined more by character skill than player skill.

[GiglameshDespair]

I hope they totally ditch the HORRIBLE hacking minigame.  Either come up with a fun minigame, or just make hacking happen automatically.  And definitely DON'T allow me to fail, locking me out, but also allow me to just cancel out of the interface and try again. 

I liked FO3 and NV, but the hacking was one of the absolute worst parts of the game... and it gave you XP, so it gave you XP for engaging in a tedious, unfun activity.

You can cancel out and go back in, as long as you haven't been locked out completely. And there's a perk that stops you being locked out altogether.

As a minigame, it's alright. You just have to use a little brainpower - not even all that much - and work it out.

[forsaken1111]

I actually liked the hacking minigame. Disliked the lockpicking.

[KingofstarrySkies]

Hacking is pretty godawful, yeah. Not a fan of it. I've literally never built a lockpicking character, but I've made plenty that use science-And every time I see a terminal my damned curiosity leads me to spend who knows how long entering and leaving so I get more chances to be right.

[Gabeux]

Back when FO3 launched I noticed how quick saving / quick loading and redoing the hacking puzzle until I got it right (aka Bruteforce) usually took the same (and even less) time than figuring the puzzle out the right way.
Probably because I never had the patience to learn it. I did learn it recently (as in, all the tips'n'tricks to do it properly, like the secret "reset attempts" code-blocks), but I still think bruteforcing it is just as effective if you can't be bothered.

I don't mind lockpicking in Fallout or Skyrim. But can you imagine if all games had the same lockpicking mechanic as Oblivion had? Holy shit.
Open console, target object, type "unlock" to keep your sanity.
Still, I did play the whole of Oblivion and never not-opened something...I think I should get to know if I have gaming OCD.

[Teneb]

Back when FO3 launched I noticed how quick saving / quick loading and redoing the hacking puzzle until I got it right (aka Bruteforce) usually took the same (and even less) time than figuring the puzzle out the right way.
Probably because I never had the patience to learn it. I did learn it recently (as in, all the tips'n'tricks to do it properly, like the secret "reset attempts" code-blocks), but I still think bruteforcing it is just as effective if you can't be bothered.

I don't mind lockpicking in Fallout or Skyrim. But can you imagine if all games had the same lockpicking mechanic as Oblivion had? Holy shit.
Open console, target object, type "unlock" to keep your sanity.
Still, I did play the whole of Oblivion and never not-opened something...I think I should get to know if I have gaming OCD.

I prefer the Oblivion lockpicking to Fallout or Skyrim's, mostly due to the fact that I can actually see what I am doing. In Skyrim/Fallout you had to mostly guess and hope your pick wouldn't break, to the point where I had to download a mod that added chalk lines around the lock so I could see where I was when the pick broke (as the animation of the lock and such made it hard to tell). I also like Oblivion style of casting magic better, as you did not have to swap out of your weapon, shield or whatever in order to cast a simple spell. (Curse that game's leveling system though, seriously)