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Author Topic: Paranormal 24 - Game over! Doppelganger Victory!  (Read 218914 times)

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Re: Paranormal 24 - Day 2 dawns in blood
« Reply #885 on: February 03, 2015, 02:36:59 pm »

Nqt: if Shakerag was likely scum, why shouldn't the vig shoot him?
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Re: Paranormal 24 - Day 2 dawns in blood
« Reply #886 on: February 03, 2015, 02:38:57 pm »

We get 2 extensions per day
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Nqt: if Shakerag was likely scum, why shouldn't the vig shoot him?

Your question is why the paranoid vig who had it out for me and knew I knew the BG decided not to shoot his public suspect?  And somehow that proves he isn't scum?
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Re: Paranormal 24 - Day 2 dawns in blood
« Reply #887 on: February 03, 2015, 02:57:01 pm »

I have no idea what you're getting at
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Re: Paranormal 24 - Day 2 dawns in blood
« Reply #888 on: February 03, 2015, 03:01:02 pm »

Its wifomy, but if Flabort suspected me, and thought I could get a person of my choice guarded, then he would instead shoot another suspect.
  In addition to him suspecting me, he also knew I thought viging Shaker was a silly move.  Hence, given the situation he could justifiably assume I would try to block it.  Which is silly, but.

Who knows, with all the PMs perhaps he simply got more advice from his mystery contact.

  But, whatever the reason, ConfirmedTown Flabort decided not to kill Shaker.  This does nothing to prove Shaker's identity in any direction.
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Re: Paranormal 24 - Day 2 dawns in blood
« Reply #889 on: February 03, 2015, 03:03:57 pm »

Actually, the medium could ask him :o
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Re: Paranormal 24 - Day 2 dawns in blood
« Reply #890 on: February 03, 2015, 03:06:48 pm »

I wasn't talking About Shakerag. If Shakerag is scum it would be wierd for NQT to say something to convince Flabort not to shoot him
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Re: Paranormal 24 - Day 2 dawns in blood
« Reply #891 on: February 03, 2015, 03:09:59 pm »

Toaster:

You.

Why, because I used the word wagon? Considering I am currently tied for the lynch vote, I would say that the number of votes on me is sufficient to call it a wagon. You're debating semantics.

I certainly hope you do analyze votes on you.  That said, you should also count them too, and don't try to make the false case that a bandwagon is forming on you because two people voted you.

See above.

You can't just take that and write off the entire day.  There's more content there than there is in D2 since D2 has mostly been squabbling abut N1.

I'm obviously not writing off the entire day. I just don't think that exchange between flabort and pisskop is particularly alignment-indicative. Considering our only flipped scum, mastahcheese, went for pisskop's throat near the end of the day and flabort already flipped town, I'm relatively inclined to think that it was mislynch bait due to townies being dumb.

There's a wide difference between not being sure someone is scum and acting like you're scared to vote.

Again, read what I said.  I said I have a problem with the way you're going about presenting your "conclusions" in your posts.  I use quotation marks there because they're anything but conclusive; which is what attracted my vote.

Sorry the tone of my posts doesn't satisfy you.

I bolded what I said; I said you're leaving yourself room to backpedal, not that you are doing it.  Don't twist my words.

You're essentially scumreading me for something I could have done rather than what I am doing.

When I actually backpedal on my votes, then come back to me. Until then, you can stop with the Minority Report crap, thanks. You could literally use this line of thinking to vote -anyone-. We're on D2 now. You should have something stronger than "your D1 votes weren't cast with 100% certainty."

This is a lie.  I am not being wishy-washy about my targets.  I quite clearly called Flabort scum, and now I'm calling you lying word-twisting scum, who was previously skittish afraid to commit scum.  You got called out, and out come your teeth.

Also, everything you said about Tiruin is irrelevant here.

Yup, and you were dead wrong about Flabort. I could pull the same thing you're pulling on me here and vote you because you were obviously scum trying to push a mislynch wagon. You jumped on him here about him revealing pisskop's role and his own. You call him scum twice, total. Here.

Again, you're debating trivialities with me, here. Oh, you called Flabort scum while I only voted my scumpicks? Well congratulations. Sorry I wasn't aware that there was a quota on the number of times you should have to call the target of your vote scum.

No.  I try to be very clear about who I am addressing by bolding their name in front of the respective section.

So then why are you responding to me with a quote of you replying to Flabort?

Oh, no, there's bits to be found there.  If you won't stand behind your vote, then that is something to watch.

Where have I not stood behind my vote? You keep saying this, like if you repeat it enough it'll be true.

Still playing the victim, I see.

Oh, come off it. You're being so fucking pedantic. Just because I use the goddamn word "wagon" doesn't mean I'm trying to appeal to emotion. It's multiple votes on one player. It's a wagon.

Ffs.
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Re: Paranormal 24 - Day 2 dawns in blood
« Reply #892 on: February 03, 2015, 03:10:34 pm »

I wasn't talking About Shakerag. If Shakerag is scum it would be wierd for NQT to say something to convince Flabort not to shoot him
Why?  The only way NQT would know on D1 that Shaker was scum is if a nightstart+poweruse or if NQT was also scum with Shaker.
  D2 on the other hand, offers more in the way of strong evidence and N1 power usage.

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Re: Paranormal 24 - Day 2 dawns in blood
« Reply #893 on: February 03, 2015, 03:19:58 pm »

I wasn't talking About Shakerag. If Shakerag is scum it would be wierd for NQT to say something to convince Flabort not to shoot him
NQT was also scum with Shaker.
That's the point
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Re: Paranormal 24 - Day 2 dawns in blood
« Reply #894 on: February 03, 2015, 03:23:27 pm »

Do you think NQT would throw Shaker under the bus?
  He has, afaik, been on Shaker for a fair portion of the game, before his wagon got going.

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Re: Paranormal 24 - Day 2 dawns in blood
« Reply #895 on: February 03, 2015, 03:24:59 pm »

Currently 4 votes on Shakerag and 3 on Scripten if I counted correctly.

Pisskop:
No extension.  No need.

Neither wagon is large by any stanards.  We have only half the playerbase voting for the leading wagons.

If you think 3 votes out of the 7 usually required is large . . .
Day ends in 5 hours, Neither wagon being large is precisely why I want an extension. If someone is lynched, I would prefer 5-7 votes on them. Do you want to lynch someone who has promised content? How about someone who's wagon appeared out of nowhere.

The only reason you don't consider these D2 reads is because he doesn't say if he has a town or scum lean on all the players. It's fairly obvious to me from this post that Jim considers Cheeetar and NQT to be town, and possibly me as well, with everyone else either null, lurking or you. That's 2, maybe 3 players he considers to be town but you believe him to be saying meh on but isn't. One thing you may be ignoring is that this is a list from scummiest to least scummiest. It's far from comparable to Tiruin. Why are the only people you seem to find really suspicious are people who have voted you or Tiruin?
  Right.  Except he doesn't.  He's giving us rat turds.  Those interpretations are your's, not his.  He hasn't given us anything.  A bunch of implications that fit into one line.
  Look again.  Nowhere does he take a stance on any player.  Nowhere.
The list is from scummiest (you) to least scummiest (Jim). Anyone below the multiple meh comments are people Jim seems to lean town on. He doesn't specifically say that he leans town on them, but that wasn't part of the question. I agree that Jim having only 1 scum suspect is odd, and he should get more, but given the fact that most of D1 and D2 revolved around you, I'm not surprised that he doesn't have much on anyone else.

  In addition, my suspects included a list larger than those who have ever voted me.  I'm currently voting Shaker, and was suspicious of UX before he started doing whatever he's doing; he is certainly not posting here.  I find UZ lynchable, and I voted you.
  You are trying to mis-present the nature of the case I have on him.
UZ? do you mean ZU? And what do you mean by you find him lynchable? Yes, you voted me, and then promptly unvoted, showing you either respond easily to pressure, or weren't really serious about it. But I'll admit I was worng and you have voted beyond the pool of people suspicious of you.

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I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Can you explain please.
Like otherwise stated, masta was looking to distance (I mislabeled it bussing) himself a bit from Jim, using especially nasty language.
This whole time, I've been trying to wrap my head around things, to see who is scummiest. But now there's so many people irritating me, that I'm actually feeling inclined to agree with Jim, of all people.
  And here is more of it.  You are welcome to describe a history between them, but Jim's minimal response indicates himself distancing as well as well as how over-emphasized the nastiness was.  Unwarrented nastiness when all others but his votees were glazed over is a fairly strong indication of scum-scum interaction.
I can definitely see it as distancing, or I can see it as Mastahcheese bandwagoning again, and Jim calling him out on it. It depends on whether or not you view Jim as scum or not. Votees? I'm still not sure what you're trying to say. As is, Jim's response to Mastah's post is normal for Jim's personality.

I oppose it because I doubt it would come otherwise, and I am unwilling to use our final extension for one post.

  Also, we can actively vote against extensions?  Neat-o

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Pfp Persus why was Shakerag obligated to follow Nqts advice?

I'll bearound at day end again if anything happens. I also don't thhink an extend is really needed.
He wasn't, but NQT's point about how we can verify Flabort's vig claim was a good one, in my humble opinion, and Flabort turned out to be a vig, so I am a bit suspicious of people who voted him at day end.

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So did you not feel that there was enough to talk about between D1 and the events so far in D2 that you had to come up with a random topic?

Oh, wait, I think you're mistaken. I didn't roll for the topic, just the person I'd ask Jim his opinion on.
That would seem to imply to me that you didn't really care who you got an opinion on from Jim, but that you needed to ask him a question to fill space.  Why not focus on some concrete aspect of what has happened in the game instead of asking for an opinion on a random player?
Why are you complaining about UXLZ asking questions?

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We lynched an anti-town player on D1. We managed to avoid lynching Flabort or Pisskop. So participate and stop trying to make us feel sorry for you. Flabort didn't kill you, and now he can't.
It was dumb luck that we lynched third party on D1.  We don't have confirmation that pissk is town yet either.  And I couldn't give fewer shits whether anyone feels sorry for me or not.
Dumb luck? TDS was behaving scummy all day. It would be dumb luck only if everyone rolled a die to determine who they would lynch. Day 1's lynch wasn't from fallout over a gambit via PM, but from TDS being scummy. By your logic, every time we lynch scum, its dumb luck.

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Are you also planning on voting me, Shakerag? ;)
Not presently, but do you want me to change my plans?
This a threat?

Deus Asmoth:
I'm in favour of an extend. I want to see Tiruin's post before deciding whether to vote for her or not, and Scripten looks town in my book, so I'd rather he didn't get lynched.

PPE: Since a three way tie isn't in our best interest and Shakerag is the least productive member of the game, vote Shakerag.
Shakerag is less productive then Tiruin?
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Re: Paranormal 24 - Day 2 dawns in blood
« Reply #896 on: February 03, 2015, 03:35:09 pm »

Shakerag has admitted to not caring about the game when it looked like he was in danger of being night killed and hasn't done particularly much to make up for it since then. Tiruin has at least promised a proper post to come, which I would like to see.
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Re: Paranormal 24 - Day 2 dawns in blood
« Reply #897 on: February 03, 2015, 03:58:55 pm »


Shaker's wagon was empty because a couple of votes were performing other functions, such as encouraging Tiruin to speak up and make decisive statements.
  The Shaker wagon was coming.  Without a majority lynch, there is less reason to stay on a wagon all day.  It doesnt matter where you vote, the majority candidate gets lynched, or no one in the case of a tie.
  Shaker's wagon wasn't empty because nobody thought he was scummy.

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I agree that Jim having only 1 scum suspect is odd, and he should get more, but given the fact that most of D1 and D2 revolved around you, I'm not surprised that he doesn't have much on anyone else.
  'Meh' votes are null votes, unless you can point out evidence that he does that consistently.  Are you suggesting that Jim lacks foresight to envision a scumteam should I flip town or scum?  there is the evidence that he didn't even read PMs sent his way, but those same PMs could be used to say he doesn't include what won't help him lynch.
  His scumhunting is also subpar.  He only did it when pressured by multiple people, and even then the reasons for his vote are crap.  Is that his personality?

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UZ? do you mean ZU? And what do you mean by you find him lynchable?
What I mean but 'I find him lynchable' is I wouldn't oppose his lynch at this point, but I will not encourage it.

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It depends on whether or not you view Jim as scum or not. Votees?
Votee, or the target of his votes.  Namely TDS and me.  And I think the odds of Jim being scum are decent.  His personality style, as I am familiar with it, is not one to sit passively and just on one person.  I intend to pursue this.

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We get two extensions EACH day. Not for the whole game.
Yup, I read up the rules again after ZU informed me of this.
  I do want Tiruin's post, as she is sorely lacking in content.

An extension is unlikely to change the outcome of today, and net us Tiruin's infos.

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Shakerag has admitted to not caring about the game when it looked like he was in danger of being night killed and hasn't done particularly much to make up for it since then. Tiruin has at least promised a proper post to come, which I would like to see.

  His impending death yesterday is a poor reason for him to lurk today.
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Re: Paranormal 24 - Day 2 dawns in blood
« Reply #898 on: February 03, 2015, 04:00:10 pm »

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Re: Paranormal 24 - Day 2 dawns in blood
« Reply #899 on: February 03, 2015, 04:40:09 pm »

Cheetar, I don't think I understand Tooney's answer. He got targeted by one person multiple times? Or were the extra shots just flavour?

That's what I'd say is most likely.

Cheeetar:
Emphasis mine- because he chose such an excellent night action Night 1, right?
You mean then night action were we're almost certain of his role and got enough suspicion on him that if he's town he's not likely to be scumkilled at the cost of a guard role who already revealed their role to a scum player revealing themself?

I don't get it. Are you saying he did choose a good target Night 1, by choosing somebody who went nowhere and we got no information about? Literally nothing he did night 1 is relevant to him claiming his role to us, and it still required a bloody guardian to confirm it.

Everyone, can I see the reasons behind your votes? Currently I'm seeing:
Cheetar voting Pisskop for an OMGUS and poor reasoning.

Yep, that's about right. Can I point out that it was the worlds most obvious OMGUS that was abandoned nearly as instantly as it was started?

MC was voting pisskop at Day end yesterday. Since you feel pretty strongly that pisskop is scummy, do you feel that MC would be willing to buss pisskop at day end. Do you think 4maskwolf would pull his gambit in the knowledge that one of his scumbuddies was in the group in order
to give them town credit?

Look, I know you directed this at Jim, but I'm going to jump in here. Yes. Gambitz is 4maskwolf's middle name.

  Right.  Except he doesn't.  He's giving us rat turds.  Those interpretations are your's, not his.  He hasn't given us anything.  A bunch of implications that fit into one line.
  Look again.  Nowhere does he take a stance on any player.  Nowhere.

Anybody think this reminds you a lot of Pisskop's reads? Just me?

Y'all: I still really want to lynch Pisskop. Like, a lot.
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