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[Sergarr]

Those aren't Russian numbers.

Yes, they aren't, which is why I linked the SOHR ones, as the official Russian numbers are quite obviously severely underestimating the number of civilians killed. Bashing Americans is kinda unwarranted here, they make good efforts to minimize casualties and efficiently utilize their highly networked war infrastructure in order to do that.

[Vilanat]

I agree, the Americans are way more considerate than any other major actor in that region.

Plus, i don't agree with automatically counting casualties under 16 as civilians. it's shocking, it's sad, but the reality is that there are many combatants under the age of 16 among Jihadists.

[martinuzz]

Meanwhile in Morocco, a new law was passed. Henceforth it is illegal to manufacture, import, or sell burqas and niqabs.
Local vendors have been passed a notice, telling them to tailor their current stock of niqabs an burqas into clothing that does not cover the face and eyes, or it will be seized. They have 2 days to comply.
According to the authorities, the ban is nescessary, to prevent islamic terrorists from using the clothing items as disguise.
The actual wearing of the items is not yet banned, but with the ban on any form of new stock, it is bound to disappear from Morocco.

Traditionally, Moroccan women never had to cover their face in public. It wasn't until the last few decades, when the influence of strict orthodox clerics from the Middle East reached Morocco, that women started to wear burqas and niqabs.

Salafists complain about infringement on their women's rights to cover themselves, and salesmen complain about the short notice.
However, it is not expected to change the descision. Morocco's king, Mohammed VI, envisions a liberal islam for his country. As official 'leader of the faithful', he doesn't only have political, but also much religious influence. He is known to personally oversee the education of liberal imams. Ten years ago, he improved women's rights in Morocco, by making it easier for a woman to divorce, and making it mandatory for a man who wishes to marry a second wife, that his first wife consents.

And so, Morocco is now being more progressive than most EU countries, who have either failed to ban face-covering clothing items, or haven't tried.

[Strife26]

That's an interesting thing to label as progressive. I'd call it being more anti-conservative Islam than anything else, and that's not necessarily a good thing.

[Vilanat]

Since it has more to do with surveillance issues where the niqab/burqa can prevent face recognition than about women rights, it can't really be considered progressive.

[Baffler]

Since it has more to do with surveillance issues where the niqab/burqa can prevent face recognition than about women rights, it can't really be considered progressive.

Yeah, I never thought I'd say it but I'm with the Salafists on this one. It's weird to me that making a certain kind of women's clothing illegal to wear or sell could possibly be considered progressive.

[martinuzz]

While I am not in favour of a total ban on burqas, I mean people can wear whatever they want, in private locations, for all I care they hang themselves upside down in a bondage suit with zippers in suspicious locations, I am however, all in favour of a ban of wearing any clothing that completely covers the face, in public. That includes burqas, niqabs, but also motorcycle helmets (except obviously while riding your motorcycle) and balaclavas.
For one, because facial expression is an important part of communication, and for two, because not being able to identify someone inadvertently brings an association of possible malicious intent, stemming back from masked highway robbers in the middle ages to muggers and bankrobbers throughout modern times.

[Loud Whispers]

Ban hoodies

[Strife26]

While I am not in favour of a total ban on burqas, I mean people can wear whatever they want, in private locations, for all I care they hang themselves upside down in a bondage suit with zippers in suspicious locations, I am however, all in favour of a ban of wearing any clothing that completely covers the face, in public. That includes burqas, niqabs, but also motorcycle helmets (except obviously while riding your motorcycle) and balaclavas.
For one, because facial expression is an important part of communication, and for two, because not being able to identify someone inadvertently brings an association of possible malicious intent, stemming back from masked highway robbers in the middle ages to muggers and bankrobbers throughout modern times.

God help anyone who lives in cold climates.

[TheBiggerFish]

Hoods and scarves and clear goggles probably.

[Zangi]

Gov't approved clothing.  +1

[Sergarr]

While I am not in favour of a total ban on burqas, I mean people can wear whatever they want, in private locations, for all I care they hang themselves upside down in a bondage suit with zippers in suspicious locations, I am however, all in favour of a ban of wearing any clothing that completely covers the face, in public. That includes burqas, niqabs, but also motorcycle helmets (except obviously while riding your motorcycle) and balaclavas.
For one, because facial expression is an important part of communication, and for two, because not being able to identify someone inadvertently brings an association of possible malicious intent, stemming back from masked highway robbers in the middle ages to muggers and bankrobbers throughout modern times.

God help anyone who lives in cold climates.

The face is usually never fully obscured by warm clothing, except for verrry cold places. A hat or a hood, plus a scarf for those that need an additional bit of warmth, are more than enough, especially if you're doing any kind of physical activity.

[Sheb]

While I am not in favour of a total ban on burqas, I mean people can wear whatever they want, in private locations, for all I care they hang themselves upside down in a bondage suit with zippers in suspicious locations, I am however, all in favour of a ban of wearing any clothing that completely covers the face, in public. That includes burqas, niqabs, but also motorcycle helmets (except obviously while riding your motorcycle) and balaclavas.
For one, because facial expression is an important part of communication, and for two, because not being able to identify someone inadvertently brings an association of possible malicious intent, stemming back from masked highway robbers in the middle ages to muggers and bankrobbers throughout modern times.

God help anyone who lives in cold climates.

The face is usually never fully obscured by warm clothing, except for verrry cold places. A hat or a hood, plus a scarf for those that need an additional bit of warmth, are more than enough, especially if you're doing any kind of physical activity.

I was in Moscow last week and I beg to disagree.

[smjjames]

While I am not in favour of a total ban on burqas, I mean people can wear whatever they want, in private locations, for all I care they hang themselves upside down in a bondage suit with zippers in suspicious locations, I am however, all in favour of a ban of wearing any clothing that completely covers the face, in public. That includes burqas, niqabs, but also motorcycle helmets (except obviously while riding your motorcycle) and balaclavas.
For one, because facial expression is an important part of communication, and for two, because not being able to identify someone inadvertently brings an association of possible malicious intent, stemming back from masked highway robbers in the middle ages to muggers and bankrobbers throughout modern times.

God help anyone who lives in cold climates.

The face is usually never fully obscured by warm clothing, except for verrry cold places. A hat or a hood, plus a scarf for those that need an additional bit of warmth, are more than enough, especially if you're doing any kind of physical activity.

I was in Moscow last week and I beg to disagree.

But you're not Russian Russians are legendary for bearing the cold.

_{See what I did there?}

[Sergarr]

I was in Moscow last week and I beg to disagree.

That was a part of those "verrry cold places" I was referring to. -25...-27 Celsius temperatures are quite a bit below the usual norm for Moscow.