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Author Topic: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.  (Read 207623 times)

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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1590 on: December 23, 2016, 03:53:24 am »
Isn't this the general mid-east thread?
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1591 on: December 23, 2016, 04:28:41 am »
It wasn't really meant to be, which is why I subtitled it 'about the IS threat'. But I guess I can't really blame you for posting general Middle East stuff, for lack of a general Middle East thread.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1592 on: December 23, 2016, 04:40:48 am »
I guess I could always post in the Australasian thread. :p
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1593 on: December 23, 2016, 05:08:19 am »
Al-sisi pulled a smart one. why succumb to the whims of a failure of an ex president who back stabbed him and his spiritual mentor and got the Muslim Brotherhood into power for a rather meaningless resolution when in less than a month he'd have to deal with a new one that has a public stance against the MB? This way he probably also managed to get a few new shiny promises from both Trump and Bibi. it's not only Trump's influence, Al-sisi is pretty dependent on Israel for combating ISIS in Sinai.

As for the resolution itself, if Egypt wont submit it then the "economic marvel" that is Venezuela will submit it.
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« Reply #1594 on: December 27, 2016, 03:40:43 pm »
Anyway, spotted this at RCP and decided to share: The Mosul dam is in severe danger of collapsing, which would release a devastating flood.

I'm not fearmongering here, the danger there is real. If fighting is still going on there when it collapses, the army (along with ISIS, who will likely spin it as godsent. People gonna spin) will get hit pretty hard.
« Last Edit: December 27, 2016, 03:42:44 pm by smjjames »
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« Reply #1595 on: December 29, 2016, 12:55:53 am »
hm, sounds like Russia, Iran, and Turkey want to partition Syria, I think. The article just says 'three zones of influence', but that sounds A LOT like splitting the country into three parts. Either way, seems like shades of Poland when it got partitioned between three major powers.

Edit: Actually, maybe a better analogy would be West Germany and West Berlin being partitioned into three zones of control among the Allies.

edit2: The main difference here though is that the Allies all had shared goals, while Iran, Turkey, and Russia share maybe one or two, or three goals, and conflict with everything else.

edit3: YASC (Yet Another Syrian Ceasefire. They've tried ceasefires how many times now?
« Last Edit: December 29, 2016, 10:15:05 am by smjjames »
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1596 on: January 03, 2017, 06:20:46 pm »
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1597 on: January 06, 2017, 07:25:54 pm »
Russian intervention in numbers (of murdered people)!

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And the casualties were:

– 1148 children under the age of eighteen, 663 citizen women over the age of eighteen and 2863 males over the age of 18.

– 2987 members of the “Islamic state” organization.

– 3153 fighters of the rebel and Islamic factions, Fath al-Sham Front, the Islamic Turkestan Party and fighters of Arab and foreign nationalities.
Noticeably, the amount of killed ISIS stays roughly in parity with the number of killed rebels. Despite what your Western propaganda media might have told you, Russia bombs ISIS about as much as it does the "moderate Islamists", at least effect-wise.

Ah, and also - number of killed civilians? Still lower than the number of killed armed people, and by a pretty good margin, too, for an almost exclusively aerial campaign by a "regional power" starving for money. Pure indiscriminate bombing? Not on our watch!
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1598 on: January 06, 2017, 07:47:48 pm »
well i wouldn't call 4,500 dead civilians exactly a great success. that's not really a low amount at all.
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« Reply #1599 on: January 06, 2017, 07:55:21 pm »
Yes, it's not all that great absolute-numbers-wise, however, it's a serious improvement compared to all our past operations of similar variety, like Chechnya and Afghanistan (civilian-to-fighter kill ratio for Afghanistan was like 10-to-1, or something similarly ridiculously lopsided). It's probably hard to improve upon that result under conditions we have in Syria, i.e. little in the way of ground observers, limited to using dumb bombs for "economical saving" reasons, and having to provide support to the Arabic chucklefucks that call themselves "Syrian Army".
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1600 on: January 06, 2017, 08:01:09 pm »
Well I guess at least you don't just pencil down all men over 16 killed in airstrikes as enemy combatants, unlike a certain other nation active in the region.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1601 on: January 06, 2017, 09:06:54 pm »
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Well I guess at least you don't just pencil down all men over 16 killed in airstrikes as enemy combatants, unlike a certain other nation active in the region.

YOU CAN'T PROVE NOTHING!

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« Reply #1602 on: January 07, 2017, 12:33:00 am »
He is referring to Israel, i think.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1603 on: January 07, 2017, 01:56:55 am »
Quote from: Vilanat on January 07, 2017, 12:33:00 am
He is referring to Israel, i think.

Israel does fucky stuff with casualties, yeah, but I was referring to the USA.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/the-obama-administrations-drone-strike-dissembling/473541/
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1604 on: January 07, 2017, 05:15:11 am »
Those aren't Russian numbers.
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