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[Nerjin]

The day ends in not too much longer, people usually don't get on all that often to a mafia game, and there's not quite enough time for me to fix things [that aren't even broken, by the way] at this point.

There is a difference between giving up at day start and knowing when you can't win.

I can't win while alive. My death will give information. *Shrug* as for reputation I don't care at all about reputation.

[Gulddom]

Spoiler: anailater (click to show/hide)

Nernin:What if, in the above situation, instead of holy crepes, they pointed there own loaded gun at you, how does that change the situation?

That, dear child, is called an OMGuS. Unless they have a good reason. Simply voting someone because they voted you is an excellent way to get yourself lynched.

Yobbo: To be honest, I'm unsure I agree that Blitz and Nerjin (Which autocorrect we to Jerkin) are by far the most suspicious CURRENTLY, however due to the relative newness of Blitz, and the ranting of Nerjin Im quite honestly thinking its him, and in that case...
[colour=red]NERJIN! Explain yourself![/color]
Also I vote No extend! It feels unnecessary with the already created extension.
((Sorry about formatting and spelling, it's late and I'm posting from phone.))

Excellent bandwagon by the way. I suppose I think you’re the most suspicious, but I’m dead anyways so you’re probably safe. Just want people to know what I think.

Anailater

Spoiler: Frostmoon (click to show/hide)

In comparison, I find Nerjin to be scummier, if only because he's not posting much game-related content.

Fair enough.

In his first post, he yelled at everyone to quote,

I did. Not relevant.

possibly role-fished with his question to anailater,

Provide an example directly.

told Blitz to be more proactive,

As have others.

replied to my question,

Well fuck me right? I'm sorry.

quoted Scripten on his little 'don't role-fish' response to Blitz,

What's your point again? That I'm not posting game related content? Seems like I had.

ranted about being random voted, and continued his rant about random voting.

I suppose.

He didn't use his IC green at all (though he claims he just forgot)

Remember children: Nerjin is Omnipotent.

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 and, after there being around five pages of content using the default forum settings, didn't post many things that were relevant to most of the situations at hand, such as the anailater/yobbo debate. His second post mostly consists of a rant on why not to role-fish, which, in hindsight, feels somewhat hypocritical given his question to anailater.
[/quote]

Please explain the hypocrisy.

However, I did ask him a question about role-fishing, so it's probably my fault he launched into a rant about it. Anyway, his third post was a rant correlating loaded guns and voting, using a 'The Boy who Cried Wolf'-type narrative. This time, though, it was written in his IC green. He also explained that he forgot to use his IC green in his first post. That's all he's posted. Not much on the other players, just (possibly IC) rants on role-fishing and random voting.

One post a day is what I try to do because I'm running L4D:B4M, TF2 the Board Game, Resident Evil: Fallen Stars, Upon the High Seas, and I am in several games. I also have work and leisure time to consider. Still, I feell like I've done enough. I'm happy with it. If you want me lynched anyway well that's your business. I find your reasoning lacking but that's just me.
 

Spoiler: Scripten (click to show/hide)

I bolded the important parts. Pressure is fine. Voting just to vote with no reason isn't. I said as much. Please don't put words in my mouth.

I'm not bullying anyone. I'm giving my advice as I feel it is needed. In my opinion, which you are welcome to ignore, you should only vote someone if there's a benefit to it aside from "I voted them.

One last thing, you haven't used your lime IC text for any of your explanations yet. Does that mean that nothing you've said so far is to be objectively trustworthy? And does that mean you don't think we're pretty enough? Because we are.

It means I forgot to use it.

Nerjin: . . . Since it seems to be a pet peeve, can you provide an example of when using your vote would be bad for the town? . . .

A vote for voting’s sake is bad for town. But as you mentioned that’s a misuse of it. Fair enough.

A vote without sufficient intent to follow through is also not very useful to town. I can’t cite specific examples but there’ve been times when I was voted and knew it was a pressure vote. However I didn’t feel pressured. Sure, I answered but it didn’t make me flounder at all. Didn’t even really raise my fear or anything like that. I’ll admit it’s more rare than not but I’d prefer if you guys learned that lesson early than too late.

Also, while I was joking about the green text, it is rather suspicious when you say that you're going to put advice in a certain color and then give advice while using uncolored text. Comes across as sneaky.

I explained why it happened. If it comes across as sneaky I don’t particularly care. I can’t fix it. I explained what happened and there’s nothing else I can do. I’m not going to beg and plead and change my story. I forgot. That’s the A through Z of the situation.

Spoiler: Yobbo (click to show/hide)

Nerjin:

In my opinion your vote is a loaded gun. You should use it only if you are certain someone is scum or you want to pressure them. Just voting to vote is annoying and makes me view that person as trying to put on an act.

How can you get someone to slip up if they don't at least think you're putting pressure on them? (serious question)

As i'm not voting you, you must be awful calm in your potentially scummy little world there.

Admittedly it wasn't very clear that this was directed at you, but with all the telling us to quote, i figured you'd actually look at the author of the quotes.

I bet if i had put your name in nice shiny red font you would have paid attention to it.

Fun fact, I'm human. I miss things sometimes. Go figure right?

You used your lime text for the gun metaphor this time so i'll assume it's a general belief you have and not trying to scare newbies away from voting. But so far in this game everyone has already shown that they take votes very seriously indeed, and hardly anyone has actually been using them. Also my vote was very clearly intended to put pressure on anailater. So why did you feel the need to talk about voting to vote and try to direct people away from using the one tool most of them have to find and lynch scum?

The reason you all take the votes seriously is because you're still in the 'holy crepes a vote! I must forsooth do something!!!' stage of playing. After you've played a couple games you might come to appreciate the difference.

I'm less here to win, and more here to teach you guys stuff to the best of my abilities. Obviously I'm doing a poor job, or you just refuse to accept that I might have a point when I say that you should be a bit more careful with your vote.

Also:

The scumness of multiple suspicions decrease as the game goes by, as people die and behaviours become more traceable, but it's definitely suspicious and risky(Unless you know who everyone is) to suspect multiple people.
Also I have a question, what do you think us the best way to avoid being night killed?

No, it isn’t. It’s perfectly fine to be suspicious of multiple people at once in the early game. Especially day 1 where all you really have to go on are gut reads and the like. As the game goes on you can focus more on specific people AND you have more information to go on. So no multiple suspicions isn’t scummy.

Also, I like that question. Why did you ask it?

If anailater was actually a town power role and asking this in order to subtly get advice (which i don't think is necessarily the case), pressing him over why he asked it would be a very scummy thing to do indeed. So, why are you doing something that at very least is anti-town?

I hope it is obvious that i am not just voting to vote here, but actually find your behaviour actively scummy.

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How is it scummy? I'm genuinely curious as to why he asked the question. Motivation is an important factor in most cases I find.

It is, actually, not obvious at all as you do not explain why my actions are scummy. But that's fine I suppose. Beginner's Mafia and all.

game ends  less than six hours

Oh... Um... well I guess good game everyone? I didn't know this was a one lynch mafia.

Nerjin: I know this is the internet and all, but it seems like you're coming across are really hostile towards everyone which is not the way I would think to go about proving I'm not scum. Also this bit you posted earlier has been bothering me.

Well, I honestly don't care. All that matters to me is that we get the scum in the end. If I die in the process... Meh. I trust people in the game to play logically. If you see something up with my play then you need to press me on it.

You tell us to press you if we see something suspicious yet you get defensive when we do. And while I'm still suspicious of Blitz, I'm voting for you due to the reasoning you gave in your post.

[Nerjin]

If you think hostility is a bad thing perhaps you should try another board. Hostility happens around here. You get used to it.

[flabort]

If you think hostility is a bad thing perhaps you should try another board. Hostility happens around here. You get used to it.

((Sorry for cutting in))
No, hostility happens at Wyrdysm. This is hardly hostility.
((Still haven't left for camping, we're delayed by pointless trivialities))

[4maskwolf]

Please don't mock the mistypes, Nerjin.

[Nerjin]

Please don't mock the mistypes, Nerjin.

But... but... but... I neeeeeeeeeed to. They mistypes... They call to me!

[yobbo]

Nerjin:

In my opinion your vote is a loaded gun. You should use it only if you are certain someone is scum or you want to pressure them. Just voting to vote is annoying and makes me view that person as trying to put on an act.

How can you get someone to slip up if they don't at least think you're putting pressure on them? (serious question)

As i'm not voting you, you must be awful calm in your potentially scummy little world there.

Admittedly it wasn't very clear that this was directed at you, but with all the telling us to quote, i figured you'd actually look at the author of the quotes.

I bet if i had put your name in nice shiny red font you would have paid attention to it.

Fun fact, I'm human. I miss things sometimes. Go figure right?

Yeah it could've been more obvious.

Still isn't that another non-pressure non-serious way to use a vote, to say "hey i actually really want you to answer this and not miss it"?

You still haven't actually answered the question -.-

You used your lime text for the gun metaphor this time so i'll assume it's a general belief you have and not trying to scare newbies away from voting. But so far in this game everyone has already shown that they take votes very seriously indeed, and hardly anyone has actually been using them. Also my vote was very clearly intended to put pressure on anailater. So why did you feel the need to talk about voting to vote and try to direct people away from using the one tool most of them have to find and lynch scum?

The reason you all take the votes seriously is because you're still in the 'holy crepes a vote! I must forsooth do something!!!' stage of playing. After you've played a couple games you might come to appreciate the difference.

I'm less here to win, and more here to teach you guys stuff to the best of my abilities. Obviously I'm doing a poor job, or you just refuse to accept that I might have a point when I say that you should be a bit more careful with your vote.

I think i do get your pont, but i don't like the way you used that point. Sure that's what you believe and it's probably true that people get desensitized to votes as time goes on. But i don't think there was any need to put that point in the places you did other than to try to make people scared of voting and doubting themselves.

Also being voted is probably always going to feel different depending on whether you're town or scum. Because you know which one you really are.

Also:

The scumness of multiple suspicions decrease as the game goes by, as people die and behaviours become more traceable, but it's definitely suspicious and risky(Unless you know who everyone is) to suspect multiple people.
Also I have a question, what do you think us the best way to avoid being night killed?

No, it isn’t. It’s perfectly fine to be suspicious of multiple people at once in the early game. Especially day 1 where all you really have to go on are gut reads and the like. As the game goes on you can focus more on specific people AND you have more information to go on. So no multiple suspicions isn’t scummy.

Also, I like that question. Why did you ask it?

If anailater was actually a town power role and asking this in order to subtly get advice (which i don't think is necessarily the case), pressing him over why he asked it would be a very scummy thing to do indeed. So, why are you doing something that at very least is anti-town?

I hope it is obvious that i am not just voting to vote here, but actually find your behaviour actively scummy.

How is it scummy? I'm genuinely curious as to why he asked the question. Motivation is an important factor in most cases I find.

It is, actually, not obvious at all as you do not explain why my actions are scummy. But that's fine I suppose. Beginner's Mafia and all.

I thought i did explain. There was already a lot of talk about how trying to figure out what roles people have it like pointing out who scum should kill in the night. And that's exactly what it looked like you were doing. Either trying to figure out who you should kill in the night or asking a dangerous question that town shouldn't be asking. And as you're an IC i figure you know that. Which is why it looks scummy to me.

The day ends in not too much longer, people usually don't get on all that often to a mafia game, and there's not quite enough time for me to fix things [that aren't even broken, by the way] at this point.

There is a difference between giving up at day start and knowing when you can't win.

I can't win while alive. My death will give information. *Shrug* as for reputation I don't care at all about reputation.

What did you mean by things not being broken? That voting you is the right thing to do? :/

[Teneb]

Deathsword:

So now you'll suspect yourself as scum, right ?

But of course. In fact, I might very well vote for myself during the Lynch.

This was a joke. Also, power blackouts. Had you checked you might have noticed I wasn't online, and probably won't be for the next few days.
Gulddom: Perhaps. Playing dumb would certainly be a viable tactic.

Deathsword: that was a joke. You may or may not have heard of the concept.

Blitz: While I know I've already made some myself, do you think it's a good idea to make jokes when it's your life on the line?

A very good idea. What, am I supposed to be super serious all day, everyday?
Second Deathsword: You also seem very quick to blame me for active lurking without checking your facts. Care to explain why?

Guddom already said it, but which facts? You were just posting about how you had nothing to do (you did, hunting and all that, but already went over that) because no one was asking you stuff, and now you are complaining about people getting "facts" wrong without saying which facts. Also, you are expected to have a bit of seriousness when playing this game. Saying you were joking after people call you out on stuff looks a lot like a lazy excuse to make people disregard your slips. You complain people don't pay attention to you, then ask people to do your job, and when people call you stuff you say you were just "joking" and that they are "wrong" without even saying why.

Illgeo and Deathsword: What made Blitz look so scummy? Just a lot of low content posts? How is that different from a new town player wanting to participate but not knowing how to get the ball rolling?

Above is the answer.

[Scripten]

Before day's end, I'd like to put up a quick list of other players and my basic read on them. I'll clarify why I've put anyone in the place I have if you all would like to know. Anyone else care to put up some reads before night comes?

-Most Scummy-
Nerjin
BlitzDungeoneer
Illgeo
anailater/Gulddom
Deathsword
yobbo
Frostmoon
-Most Town-

[yobbo]

Nerjin - most scummy

Deathsword, Illgeo - lurking, not answering questions
Scripten, Frostmoon - i don't think i could tell if they were/are mafia
Blitz - thought was town but now not sure
Guiddom - low activity but posts don't seem bad

anailater - i think would've responded to me much differently if scum

everyone in between nerjin and anailater i'm not sure about at all.

i've seen people post reads like this a lot so i assume it's a good thing to do, but can someone explain to me why it's not just giving scum a running tally of exactly how they're doing?

[Silthuri]

The day has ended!

No more speaking past this point!

[4maskwolf]

Thank you MOWE.

I'll do flavor and a proper vote count tomorrow.

Nerjin has been lynched.

He was a Vanilla Townie.

Night has begun. It will end when I get all actions or Monday at 9 am PST, whichever comes first.

[4maskwolf]

When morning came, the council assembled once more, but one was missing.  Master gulddom, one of your number, is gone.  A quick search of his rooms reveals his scorched body sprawled across the floor, his lightsaber close at hand.

gulddom has died!  He was a vanilla townie.

Day 2 has begun!  The day will end at 7 pm PST on 7/17.

[anailater]

Well that couldn't have gone any worse....
Blitz:Your opinion on the situation?

[Nerjin]

I am dead but I am one with the force so I am able to give advice regardless! How lucky for each of you guys. But first, a bit of a bah post.

DAMN IT!!!

But just know that I will be watching you and am now entirely neutral. I will pipe in when I have a thing to say yo. Good luck for now though and don't forget you need to TALK and BE ACTIVE to win town.