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[Scripten]

Everyone: I'm still a bit confused about the idea's of buddying and distancing. Could someone explain that to me?

I can hop in here and try to explain those concepts. Distancing, as explained in the MafiaScum Wiki, is the act of pulling away from someone. When employed as a tactic, the distancer either disagrees or outright argues with their target to show that they aren't working together. That means, if the other player turns out to be mafia, there's no need to defend yourself, since you weren't a "team" anyway, right?

Buddying is the act of becoming, either through use of language or even just through parallel opinion, closer to another player. It's a fairly effective tactic, since it's easily concealed and not particularly risky, especially if the points the other player has brought up are logical and/or correct. Being close to said player allows you to influence them, if they are that sort of personality, or you can just use try to get their target lynched.

While they may seem diametrically opposed, you can use these tactics together, such as what Yabbo was, seemingly unintentionally, doing above. If you appear to be at odds with another player, but their lynch target is beneficial to you, you can get the lynch you want and conceal your buddying. Then when/if the target turns town, you're mostly in the clear, since your buddy most likely put up the majority of the argument. Potentially very convenient for scum, no?

ICs: Any problems with those explanations or anything to add?

[yobbo]

I might be confused because of timezones, but doesn't the day end in a few hours?

I'm kind of waiting on responses from Nerjin and Deathsword, so i'm not sure what to do now.

At the moment we have two votes on Blitz and two on Nerjin, right?

Given what i've seen so far i do think Nerjin seems the most scummy and so i'm not going to pull my vote off for lack of response. But lynching anyone is probably better than lynching noone (which is what happens if the votes are tied, right?).

Or should we extend? I won't have much time to post over the weekend :/

As far as Blitz goes i actually thought he looked the most town out of everyone before people started pointing suspicions at him. But now with his responses i'm not so sure at all.

[yobbo]

Err, i should clarify that it's already friday for me.

In case you're around:

Illgeo and Deathsword: What made Blitz look so scummy? Just a lot of low content posts? How is that different from a new town player wanting to participate but not knowing how to get the ball rolling?

Frostmoon and anailater: What are your thoughts on the current situation?

[4maskwolf]

Day ends at 7pm Pacific on Thursday, approximately 26 hours from now

There are 0 votes for an extension.

There are 0 votes for a shorten.

I'll give you all a votecount tomorrow, I'm really tired right now and can't be trusted to get the votes right.

[4maskwolf]

*Realizes today is Thursday*

*sighs*

Due to mod stupidity, day has been extended 24 hours

Day ends at 7 pm Pacific on Friday

[4maskwolf]

It's a votecount!

Frostmoon:
Scipten:
yobbo:
anailater
Gulddom:
BlitzDungeoneer: Illgeo, Deathsword
Illgeo:
Nerjin: Scripten, yobbo
Deathsword:

Not Voting: Frostmoon, anailater, Gulddom, BlitzDungeoneer, Nerjin

Please tell me if I missed something.

[Scripten]

Can I make a vote to extend? I'm seeing a ton of inactivity, and I'm not so thrilled about that. We're liable to see scum win by lack of player activity or worse, the whole game just dying. I may also be paranoid because that particular issue plagued the last BM I was a part of.

[4maskwolf]

1/4 votes for extension.
0/5 votes for shorten.

There are two extends remaining today.

Can I make a vote to extend? I'm seeing a ton of inactivity, and I'm not so thrilled about that. We're liable to see scum win by lack of player activity or worse, the whole game just dying. I may also be paranoid because that particular issue plagued the last BM I was a part of.

I mod-extended one day because I am a horrible person, so the day ends tomorrow.

[Frostmoon]

yobbo:

Frostmoon and anailater: What are your thoughts on the current situation?

I'm rather ambivalent with Blitz's lynch. Blitz's actions are giving me a heavy 'fumbling unsure newbie' vibe, but he easily could be a 'fumbling newbie' and scum at the same time.

In comparison, I find Nerjin to be scummier, if only because he's not posting much game-related content. In his first post, he yelled at everyone to quote, possibly role-fished with his question to anailater, told Blitz to be more proactive, replied to my question, quoted Scripten on his little 'don't role-fish' response to Blitz, ranted about being random voted, and continued his rant about random voting. He didn't use his IC green at all (though he claims he just forgot) and, after there being around five pages of content using the default forum settings, didn't post many things that were relevant to most of the situations at hand, such as the anailater/yobbo debate. His second post mostly consists of a rant on why not to role-fish, which, in hindsight, feels somewhat hypocritical given his question to anailater. However, I did ask him a question about role-fishing, so it's probably my fault he launched into a rant about it. Anyway, his third post was a rant correlating loaded guns and voting, using a 'The Boy who Cried Wolf'-type narrative. This time, though, it was written in his IC green. He also explained that he forgot to use his IC green in his first post. That's all he's posted. Not much on the other players, just (possibly IC) rants on role-fishing and random voting.


Oh, and I'm fine with an extension.

[anailater]

Yobbo: To be honest, I'm unsure I agree that Blitz and Nerjin (Which autocorrect we to Jerkin) are by far the most suspicious CURRENTLY, however due to the relative newness of Blitz, and the ranting of Nerjin Im quite honestly thinking its him, and in that case...
[colour=red]NERJIN! Explain yourself![/color]
Also I vote No extend! It feels unnecessary with the already created extension.
((Sorry about formatting and spelling, it's late and I'm posting from phone.))

[Persus13]

If you need a replacement IC or any thing like that, drop me a PM.

[4maskwolf]

Oh, and Mephansteras, could we get this thread stickied to the top like the other BM's?

[4maskwolf]

game ends  less than six hours

[Nerjin]

Spoiler: anailater (click to show/hide)

Nernin:What if, in the above situation, instead of holy crepes, they pointed there own loaded gun at you, how does that change the situation?

That, dear child, is called an OMGuS. Unless they have a good reason. Simply voting someone because they voted you is an excellent way to get yourself lynched.

Yobbo: To be honest, I'm unsure I agree that Blitz and Nerjin (Which autocorrect we to Jerkin) are by far the most suspicious CURRENTLY, however due to the relative newness of Blitz, and the ranting of Nerjin Im quite honestly thinking its him, and in that case...
[colour=red]NERJIN! Explain yourself![/color]
Also I vote No extend! It feels unnecessary with the already created extension.
((Sorry about formatting and spelling, it's late and I'm posting from phone.))

Excellent bandwagon by the way. I suppose I think you’re the most suspicious, but I’m dead anyways so you’re probably safe. Just want people to know what I think.

Anailater

Spoiler: Frostmoon (click to show/hide)

In comparison, I find Nerjin to be scummier, if only because he's not posting much game-related content.

Fair enough.

In his first post, he yelled at everyone to quote,

I did. Not relevant.

possibly role-fished with his question to anailater,

Provide an example directly.

told Blitz to be more proactive,

As have others.

replied to my question,

Well fuck me right? I'm sorry.

quoted Scripten on his little 'don't role-fish' response to Blitz,

What's your point again? That I'm not posting game related content? Seems like I had.

ranted about being random voted, and continued his rant about random voting.

I suppose.

He didn't use his IC green at all (though he claims he just forgot)

Remember children: Nerjin is Omnipotent.

[quote
 and, after there being around five pages of content using the default forum settings, didn't post many things that were relevant to most of the situations at hand, such as the anailater/yobbo debate. His second post mostly consists of a rant on why not to role-fish, which, in hindsight, feels somewhat hypocritical given his question to anailater.
[/quote]

Please explain the hypocrisy.

However, I did ask him a question about role-fishing, so it's probably my fault he launched into a rant about it. Anyway, his third post was a rant correlating loaded guns and voting, using a 'The Boy who Cried Wolf'-type narrative. This time, though, it was written in his IC green. He also explained that he forgot to use his IC green in his first post. That's all he's posted. Not much on the other players, just (possibly IC) rants on role-fishing and random voting.

One post a day is what I try to do because I'm running L4D:B4M, TF2 the Board Game, Resident Evil: Fallen Stars, Upon the High Seas, and I am in several games. I also have work and leisure time to consider. Still, I feell like I've done enough. I'm happy with it. If you want me lynched anyway well that's your business. I find your reasoning lacking but that's just me.
 

Spoiler: Scripten (click to show/hide)

I bolded the important parts. Pressure is fine. Voting just to vote with no reason isn't. I said as much. Please don't put words in my mouth.

I'm not bullying anyone. I'm giving my advice as I feel it is needed. In my opinion, which you are welcome to ignore, you should only vote someone if there's a benefit to it aside from "I voted them.

One last thing, you haven't used your lime IC text for any of your explanations yet. Does that mean that nothing you've said so far is to be objectively trustworthy? And does that mean you don't think we're pretty enough? Because we are.

It means I forgot to use it.

Nerjin: . . . Since it seems to be a pet peeve, can you provide an example of when using your vote would be bad for the town? . . .

A vote for voting’s sake is bad for town. But as you mentioned that’s a misuse of it. Fair enough.

A vote without sufficient intent to follow through is also not very useful to town. I can’t cite specific examples but there’ve been times when I was voted and knew it was a pressure vote. However I didn’t feel pressured. Sure, I answered but it didn’t make me flounder at all. Didn’t even really raise my fear or anything like that. I’ll admit it’s more rare than not but I’d prefer if you guys learned that lesson early than too late.

Also, while I was joking about the green text, it is rather suspicious when you say that you're going to put advice in a certain color and then give advice while using uncolored text. Comes across as sneaky.

I explained why it happened. If it comes across as sneaky I don’t particularly care. I can’t fix it. I explained what happened and there’s nothing else I can do. I’m not going to beg and plead and change my story. I forgot. That’s the A through Z of the situation.

Spoiler: Yobbo (click to show/hide)

Nerjin:

In my opinion your vote is a loaded gun. You should use it only if you are certain someone is scum or you want to pressure them. Just voting to vote is annoying and makes me view that person as trying to put on an act.

How can you get someone to slip up if they don't at least think you're putting pressure on them? (serious question)

As i'm not voting you, you must be awful calm in your potentially scummy little world there.

Admittedly it wasn't very clear that this was directed at you, but with all the telling us to quote, i figured you'd actually look at the author of the quotes.

I bet if i had put your name in nice shiny red font you would have paid attention to it.

Fun fact, I'm human. I miss things sometimes. Go figure right?

You used your lime text for the gun metaphor this time so i'll assume it's a general belief you have and not trying to scare newbies away from voting. But so far in this game everyone has already shown that they take votes very seriously indeed, and hardly anyone has actually been using them. Also my vote was very clearly intended to put pressure on anailater. So why did you feel the need to talk about voting to vote and try to direct people away from using the one tool most of them have to find and lynch scum?

The reason you all take the votes seriously is because you're still in the 'holy crepes a vote! I must forsooth do something!!!' stage of playing. After you've played a couple games you might come to appreciate the difference.

I'm less here to win, and more here to teach you guys stuff to the best of my abilities. Obviously I'm doing a poor job, or you just refuse to accept that I might have a point when I say that you should be a bit more careful with your vote.

Also:

The scumness of multiple suspicions decrease as the game goes by, as people die and behaviours become more traceable, but it's definitely suspicious and risky(Unless you know who everyone is) to suspect multiple people.
Also I have a question, what do you think us the best way to avoid being night killed?

No, it isn’t. It’s perfectly fine to be suspicious of multiple people at once in the early game. Especially day 1 where all you really have to go on are gut reads and the like. As the game goes on you can focus more on specific people AND you have more information to go on. So no multiple suspicions isn’t scummy.

Also, I like that question. Why did you ask it?

If anailater was actually a town power role and asking this in order to subtly get advice (which i don't think is necessarily the case), pressing him over why he asked it would be a very scummy thing to do indeed. So, why are you doing something that at very least is anti-town?

I hope it is obvious that i am not just voting to vote here, but actually find your behaviour actively scummy.

[/quote]

How is it scummy? I'm genuinely curious as to why he asked the question. Motivation is an important factor in most cases I find.

It is, actually, not obvious at all as you do not explain why my actions are scummy. But that's fine I suppose. Beginner's Mafia and all.

game ends  less than six hours

Oh... Um... well I guess good game everyone? I didn't know this was a one lynch mafia.

[anailater]

Spoiler: anailater (click to show/hide)

Nernin:What if, in the above situation, instead of holy crepes, they pointed there own loaded gun at you, how does that change the situation?

That, dear child, is called an OMGuS. Unless they have a good reason. Simply voting someone because they voted you is an excellent way to get yourself lynched.

Yobbo: To be honest, I'm unsure I agree that Blitz and Nerjin (Which autocorrect we to Jerkin) are by far the most suspicious CURRENTLY, however due to the relative newness of Blitz, and the ranting of Nerjin Im quite honestly thinking its him, and in that case...
[colour=red]NERJIN! Explain yourself![/color]
Also I vote No extend! It feels unnecessary with the already created extension.
((Sorry about formatting and spelling, it's late and I'm posting from phone.))

Excellent bandwagon by the way. I suppose I think you’re the most suspicious, but I’m dead anyways so you’re probably safe. Just want people to know what I think.

Anailater

I'm I wrong in saying one of the most scummy things you can do is give up, and if I'm not mistaken saying but I'm dead anyways is giving up, you're not helping your reputation right now.