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Until I figure out how to un-close it, at least.

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So yeah.

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Voting closed: May 01, 2014, 02:06:40 pm

[scrdest]

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I have a song from a Scottish Marxist singer called Dick Gaughan. I think he wrote it back in the '80s.

This is it being sung.

Glittering shop windows, sparkling commodities
Aladdin's caves of treasures, consumer's paradise
Patrolling the windows with clubs and uniforms
Security guards protect all this wealth

And they call it "Freedom", they call it "Being Free"
They call it "Being Free", they call it "Freedom"

Single woman with three children, living in a suitcase
Scared to go out at night, scared of pushers and muggers
Got no place to cook, lives on fish and chips and cornflakes
The doctor gave her valium, said it would help her nerves

And they call it "Freedom", they call it "Being Free"
They call it "Being Free", they call it "Freedom"

Across there on the other side, behind the "Iron Curtain"
People rise and go to work, they've got no unemployment
They've got nobody dying cause they can't afford to eat
They've got nobody dying cause they can't afford a home
They've got nobody dying cause they can't afford a doctor
They've got nobody dying cause they can't afford to live

But they don't have "Freedom", we're told that isn't being free
We're told that isn't being free, we're told that isn't "Freedom"

So just remember if you're starving, you've got the freedom to starve
And if you're homeless, then you're free to have no home
And if you can't afford a doctor, well, you're free to die of sickness
You're just exercising free choice in the free world and having freedom

There's a lot of people in this thread who come from countries that were once "behind the Iron Curtain". What do you think of the sentiments in the song?

That song is hilarious. Then again, USSR has drawn from the rich traditions of Potemkin whenever sympathetic foreigners wanted to see life there.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

One of our oligarchs offered $10 000 reward for every "little green man" captured  *giggles*

[kaian-a-coel]

One of our oligarchs offered $10 000 reward for every "little green man" captured  *giggles*

That could force Russia to drop the "they're totally not russian soldiers" pretend. Maybe.

[Guardian G.I.]

Ukrainian military base in Mariupol was attacked(link in Russian)
Dozen of attackers are wounded one is dead.

I wanted to post it yesterday, but the thread got locked - interestingly, websites operated by pro-Russian forces denied responsibility for the Mariupol attack and claimed it was a provocation.

I have a song from a Scottish Marxist singer called Dick Gaughan. I think he wrote it back in the '80s.

This is it being sung.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Glittering shop windows, sparkling commodities
Aladdin's caves of treasures, consumer's paradise
Patrolling the windows with clubs and uniforms
Security guards protect all this wealth

And they call it "Freedom", they call it "Being Free"
They call it "Being Free", they call it "Freedom"

Single woman with three children, living in a suitcase
Scared to go out at night, scared of pushers and muggers
Got no place to cook, lives on fish and chips and cornflakes
The doctor gave her valium, said it would help her nerves

And they call it "Freedom", they call it "Being Free"
They call it "Being Free", they call it "Freedom"

Across there on the other side, behind the "Iron Curtain"
People rise and go to work, they've got no unemployment
They've got nobody dying cause they can't afford to eat
They've got nobody dying cause they can't afford a home
They've got nobody dying cause they can't afford a doctor
They've got nobody dying cause they can't afford to live

But they don't have "Freedom", we're told that isn't being free
We're told that isn't being free, we're told that isn't "Freedom"

So just remember if you're starving, you've got the freedom to starve
And if you're homeless, then you're free to have no home
And if you can't afford a doctor, well, you're free to die of sickness
You're just exercising free choice in the free world and having freedom

There's a lot of people in this thread who come from countries that were once "behind the Iron Curtain". What do you think of the sentiments in the song?

It pretty much sums up the Communist view on the Western world.

[GrizzlyAdamz]

Hum. Can't imagine Russian officials are going to like that.

You said websites*? Is there more than one pro-russian group in the Donbas? Could this be a group from a neighboring province?

[Ukrainian Ranger]

You said websites*? Is there more than one pro-russian group in the Donbas? Could this be a group from a neighboring province?

It is not from a neighboring province but it is mostly from a different city. At least that is what local Antimaydan group claims

Russian propoganda want to make it look like that anyone who dislikes Maydan  and the new government supports stuff like attacking a base of national guard and dreams to join Russia. Which is far from true

I have my own explanation why the attack on the base failed.  One of responsibilities of that base is to provide security to prisons of the region, guys there have regular contacts with convicts and trained to be ready for hostile action.

That's why the attack resulted in 3 dead, 13 wounded and 63 arrested for the attackers

[Darvi]

Russian propoganda want to make it look like that anyone who dislikes Maydan  and the new government supports stuff like attacking a base of national guard and dreams to join Russia. Which is far from true

Hey I know that one.

[Guardian G.I.]

There we go, added gogis to my ignore list.

Now, what's the situation in Ukraine? Still got the guys trying to/successfully invading government buildings?

According to Ukrainian Ministry of Interior Affairs, 3 people have been killed, 13 people have been injured, 63 people have been arrested.
Two Russian television crews (Life News in Mariupol and Rossiya-24 near Izyum) also got arrested by Ukrainian security forces yesterday.
Pro-Russian forces claim that the Right Sector is planning to organize a provocation in Luhansk today and asked not to participate in any pro-Ukrainian demonstrations today, according to RIA Novosti.

Hum. Can't imagine Russian officials are going to like that.

You said websites*? Is there more than one pro-russian group in the Donbas? Could this be a group from a neighboring province?

Pro-Russian forces claim it was the Ukrainian security forces along with the Right Sector who allegedly organized the provocation in Mariupol, and not Russians.
Apparently there are several pro-Russian groups in East Ukraine right now who work together under the Antimaidan name - the biggest one is currently the Donetsk Republic, plus there are apparently other pro-Russian activists operating elsewhere.
Concerning websites operated by them, there are http://novorossia.su, http://novorossy.ru, and http://www.voicesevas.ru/, among others, all apparently led by different people but relaying the same information (or propaganda, depending on your political views). Several Russian bloggers, such as http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/ and http://putnik1.livejournal.com/ are cooperating with them.

[10ebbor10]

Anyway, in order to dredge up old posts. Ukraine going Nuclear is no more than symbolical.

Also, like most symbolical stuff they can do, it would utterly crash their economy. Ukraine is dependent on Nuclear for 50% of their power supply, and all their nuclear fuel is produced in Russia. They do have Uranium reserves, but no enrichment installations.

[Sheb]

On the other hands, 20% of Russia's Uranium comes from Ukraine.

Their economies are pretty much integrated. Any separation is going to hurt.

[Sergarr]

On the other hands, 20% of Russia's Uranium comes from Ukraine.

Their economies are pretty much integrated. Any separation is going to hurt.

Of course, that's why we're invading 

[Sheb]

Well, there is a serious argument in the paper I posted earlier that there is actually a lot of military stuff for which Russia is dependent on Ukraine. Sensors for almost all your air-air missiles. Most helicopters engines. Lots of ICBMs (about half the strategic nuclear detterent of Russia is dependent on Ukraine one way or another). Lots of ship stuff. Since most of those are in Eastern Ukraine, and since Russia already invaded Crimea for a naval base, it's not far fetched to imagine them invading the East for those industries.

[Sergarr]

Well, there is a serious argument in the paper I posted earlier that there is actually a lot of military stuff for which Russia is dependent on Ukraine. Sensors for almost all your air-air missiles. Most helicopters engines. Lots of ICBMs (about half the strategic nuclear detterent of Russia is dependent on Ukraine one way or another). Lots of ship stuff. Since most of those are in Eastern Ukraine, and since Russia already invaded Crimea for a naval base, it's not far fetched to imagine them invading the East for those industries.

Also it leaves the Ukraine without most of its production facilities, thus making them into Greece Mk.2.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Acting president announced that 25th airborne brigade will be disbanded and its commanders will face tribunal. Good.

[Sheb]

So a whole brigade turned? That cannot possibly be good.