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Until I figure out how to un-close it, at least.

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So yeah.

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Voting closed: May 01, 2014, 02:06:40 pm

[MonkeyHead]

PTFing, hoping this one doesn't go down in flames too.

[Owlbread]

In terms of aims, goals and function there is very little difference between Russia's actions over Ukraine and North Korea's threats last April. Arguably though the DPRK was all bluff and bluster while Russia is actually a threat, considering they have already annexed part of a European country and seem poised to annex more at a moment's notice.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

You know what pisses me most in all that events? That people of 1 million sized city and 4+ million region are sitting at their homes when their future is decided.

Go on the streets to say that you support your country against aggression. Go on the streets to say that you want to join Russia. Go on the streets to say that you want federalization. Go on the streets to say that you want to be an independent country. Don't sit at homes letting some people to decide your fate for you!

They were exactly the same during Maydan... Not supporting it, not opposing it, just waiting...

[GrizzlyAdamz]

Spoiler:  Ranty personal attack on Sean (click to show/hide)

Which means that as long as Ukraine does no stupid moves like using force to "squash the uprising" instead of maintaining order and letting the referendum play out - on their terms, with no Russian presence - thus giving Russia an excuse for "protecting the ethnic Russians", this situation will not escalate any further. Ball's in the Ukraine's court on this one.

I guess this kinda means that the Ukrainian government will have to somehow restrain its Right Sector, or whatever the group morphed into nowadays.

* Sean Mirrsen is not really keeping current on the current events.

Wow, this is cute.
So, how did you feel about those Maydan protests? What about Syria and it's use of force?
I thought that massive troop build-up was 'purely to defend against Ukrainian aggression' (lol).
Claiming Russia has the right to dictate separatist rebellion & referendums in neighboring countries.

I'm not even under threat of attack and your post here pissed me off, talk about attempting strong-arm theft and the arrogance to pass it off as legitimate.
Russia is being a damned bully and at this rate it's going to get people killed.

You know what pisses me most in all that events? That people of 1 million sized city and 4+ million region are sitting at their homes when their future is decided.

Go on the streets to say that you support your country against aggression. Go on the streets to say that you want to join Russia. Go on the streets to say that you want federalization. Go on the streets to say that you want to be an independent country. Don't sit at homes letting some people to decide your fate for you!

They were exactly the same during Maydan... Not supporting it, not opposing it, just waiting...

Inb4 claims of legitimacy.

[Sergarr]

http://inagist.com/all/453228271254392832/

At this rate the future president of Ukraine won't have a country to rule.

[Knit tie]

Guys, please, what did I say in the first post? Don't hate each other, you are all good people!

[Ukrainian Ranger]

BTW, Ukrainian jet are patrolling the skies over Donetsk, Luhansk and Kharkiv. I think it is just in case if  helicopters with self defense squads will appear

[XXSockXX]

You know what pisses me most in all that events? That people of 1 million sized city and 4+ million region are sitting at their homes when their future is decided.

Go on the streets to say that you support your country against aggression. Go on the streets to say that you want to join Russia. Go on the streets to say that you want federalization. Go on the streets to say that you want to be an independent country. Don't sit at homes letting some people to decide your fate for you!

They were exactly the same during Maydan... Not supporting it, not opposing it, just waiting...

That passive behaviour is odd indeed. The Ukrainian police hasn't done much to stop the pro-Russian protesters and there is no Russian army there like it was in Crimea, so the people would be relatively free to express some opinion either way. If a couple hundred protesters seize the government and declare a new republic and the majority doesn't do anything, neither protest nor celebrate, that's odd.

BTW, Ukrainian jet are patrolling the skies over Donetsk, Luhansk and Kharkiv. I think it is just in case if  helicopters with self defense squads will appear

I thought they already came with busses and in cars, at least some provocateurs did earlier. Anyway, there are no Russian troops there like in Crimea, so they can't just sneak in on that scale in Eastern Ukraine. This time, if they send troops, everybody will know right away.

[Xeron]

Not, really Sock. It's not odd as much as it is Eastern European idiocy and complacency.Many, many people don't really care about what's happening, even though it affects them greatly.This is observed in Romania too, where the government abuses it's powers, and the people do nothing.

[XXSockXX]

Not, really Sock. It's not odd as much as it is Eastern European idiocy and complacency.Many, many people don't really care about what's happening, even thought it affects them greatly.This is observed in Romania too, where the government abuses it's powers, and the people do nothing.

Yeah, I suspect this might be a result of many decades of bad experience with governments, be it communist regimes or corrupt post-communist governments. Still, if it's about really essential stuff, like secession for example, this behaviour is a bit baffling.

[pisskop]

I would very much like to lurk here.  so ptw.

[10ebbor10]

Not, really Sock. It's not odd as much as it is Eastern European idiocy and complacency.Many, many people don't really care about what's happening, even though it affects them greatly.This is observed in Romania too, where the government abuses it's powers, and the people do nothing.

Not only eastern Europe. Mob movement in humans is a very strange thing. (Because you know, that's what it is. Nobody wants to be the first to go take stuff to the streets.)

[Knit tie]

The complacency might also stem from deeply ingrained pessimism and defeatism that is endemic to Eastern Europe.

[scrdest]

Ukrainian special ops recaptured a state security building in Donetsk, apparently.

[Knit tie]

Ukrainian special ops recaptured a state security building in Donetsk, apparently.

Looks like somebody doesn't like to take crap from random protesters at least.