Tiruin> ...Did you read my question right or are you just skimming over what I did? I posed my own questions there, and continued along that line--now, at this time, there were quite many other people posting posting posting questions questions questions. It isn't in the sheer quantity that makes it 'scumhunting', but in its essence. I sighed to myself and re-checked checked back to see if what I asked was asked before-so I did ask seeing as they were not asked before. Said queries which you seem to be apparently discarding without answering in lieu of the thought train despite missing the query which attempts to make sense of said train.
Okay. I just don't see where you're going with this.
> ...So if something is just a question, it is then suspicious? Yes. In the matter of how you word it and how the other person analyzes it. Is there a problem in finding suspicion on that question?
Also you totally dodged my questions there bro. I'm not happy with that. Not a good thing. Please answer them, directly.
I was continuing the conversation with Jim on the theme of 3rd party resurrection, that's the reason for the questions. I want to see if Jim's claimed reactions match up with what he's actually doing - that is the nature of the game, right?
"But others asked questions!" isn't an excuse for avoiding making any effort of your own.
NerjinMax White I don't see how this is scummy and your recent attacks on NQT seem rather like McCarthyism to me.
I fail to see how this line of reasoning holds up. Are you trying to be an aggressive IC by chance because, otherwise, you're seeming awfully keen on knocking of NQT. Specifically though the ending seems more like "You're not doing it right! You are scum!" Every town player wants to survive. It's a simple fact that, as humans and players both, we want to be alive at the end of the day and start of the next. Town players know we shouldn't behave like that but we do anyway. I'm sorry, but you're just making things up it seems so my vote goes to you.
Who is looking for the easier lynch here? Is looking for mistakes in someone else's post considered "making things up"?
I post when I have something to say. Sorry that's just how it is. If I have nothing to say I won't put up a bunch of nothing to make myself look better. I believe so. At this point anyway. I view what NQT did as stupid, no offense to him, but I don't really view it as scum actions. I just think Max is being a little too zealous about it is all so it strikes a bit like McCarthyism to me.
So NQT was being 'stupid', but Max is being scummy? How do you distinguish between the two? Would you say that McCarthyism exclusively a scum trait?
To your second point I was stating: The Ideal Town Player will NEVER focus on their own survival and will instead focus ONLY on scum-hunting; none of us are Ideal Town Player. As a general rule EVERY player will fight to stay alive because they view themselves as more useful to town than any other player [especially at the beginning where you only have yourself as confirmed town.]. I hope that makes a bit more sense.
Scum are still more likely to defend themselves when threatened or panic under pressure. It's precisely why focusing on defending your arguments is a scumtell. Arguing that there's no "ideal" player is just irrelevant.
Let me propose a counter-argument though. 1 = Cop. 2 = Claimed Not-Cop. 3-9 = Regular townie
1 has a 1/10 chance of being NK'ed [we assume 11 is also town and is Lynched] if no one claims right? Easy enough.
2 complicates this by claiming. Or do they? You assume that scum would trust someone who says they're not cop right? If I were scum I wouldn't trust a damn thing that came out of a townies mouth. Town power roles will lie just as much as mafia in early game to my experience. As scum the SECOND someone claimed non-cop this early I'd have them marked for death. Why you ask? Simple, wouldn't the cop try to distance himself from the role?
So as Scum I'd kill 2. Simply for the fact that he's my best lead to the cop. If he's not Cop [as 2 did] then I didn't waste a NK and everything is awesome for me anyway. If he IS a Cop then I lucked out!
That assumes scum thinks like me though. I'd say that on average claiming not-cop doesn't change the odds at all that 1 will die. If there even is a 1. Maybe 1 is an A instead. I just doubt that NQT's claim thing there really means anything towards a power-roles death assuming NQT is a townie.
Except that no smart player would claim either cop or non-cop for the reasons you described. If they did, it's safe to assume they have no idea what they're doing and hence it would be to your advantage to keep them in the game.
Max WhiteTunneling implies not watching others too. I'm keeping my eyes open, also still waiting to hear from Persus.
If I see something I think is questionable, I will question it, but right now I'm happy with NQT hanging.
Is Persus your only second pick? He seems more newb than scum to me. Going to go for the easier lynch once your argument against nqt collapses?
Is your main argument against nqt really "town don't claim as non-cop"? Are you open to the possibility that it could have been a mistake? If so, what is your remaining argument against him?
klerilI'm out. I'm in no state to play, and I apologize.
Bah.
notquitethere What's a bigger scum-slip: being defensive, or not actually scum-hunting?
Are you really defending yourself against defending yourself here? I find this hilarious.
Cmega3Max white, could you please calm down a bit?
You are acting rather weird.
This is useless. Please explain your argument beyond "acting rather weird".
ImpI am in favor of helping, period. Newbies, experienced players, non players, the moderator. Note that what I mean by helping probably encompasses far more than what for you that word means.
Fine.
Going back on your answers, versus correcting a mistake (if you made one). Is that the same thing to you? You may think it's convincing to explain away my challenge against your words and the attitude they spring from as 'imaginary'. I'm not concerned with whether you're a jerk or not. I'm concerned with whether you're a Town or an anti-Town jerk. You're looking pretty anti-Town to me, but it does look like you're also trying to Scum hunt. I won't vote you for being an idiot or making mistakes; if it happens it'll be because of the probability I see in your being Scum.
You offered no real argument against my words except to claim that they were "bullshit". I saw no fault in them either. When you come up with something with more substance I'll take it more seriously.
To confirm your view: I'm an anti-Town jerk who scumhunts, right? How does the former align with the latter in your view? Do you even read what you write?
Where'd you get that misperception from?
Which? You're not still peddling the "Webadict is a zombie!" theory, right? How is this a misperception?
If you'd prefer for me to ignore a question, do not bother to ask it. Any attempt you make to over exaggerate my answer or to attack me for having answered a question appears, as does you asking any questions that you do not want answered, to be you "just spinning bullshit to distract from the real discussion".
Why are you making assumptions of whether I want answers to the questions I ask or not? Of course I want answers. It looks more like you're trying to paint me as exaggerating your own answers so that you can ignore my questions.
You might find a link helpful.
This is at least useful. Thanks.
NerjinIt's hard for me to keep track of so many players.
This seems like a weak excuse for just not bothering.
ToasterYeah, I'll jump in. Going to catch up.
Looking forward to your posts.
Since we're getting close to the day's end I'll add my own overview as well.
Nerjin – seems to like defending NQT. Gives a scummy excuse about it being difficult to scumhunt multiple people (difficult to keep track of so many)
Jim Groovester – seems to be observing more than participating. Haven't found fault with his posts so far, though.
Tiruin – has done some fair scumhunting, but hands out votes like candy before moving onto another target, as if he doesn't really care who is lynched.
Persus13 – newb, but acted quite strangely telling Cmega3 to unvote his choice.
Cmega3 – noob. Votes without reason, erratic. Doesn't seem to believe his own arguments and seems to be looking for an easy lynch.
Imp – talks a lot with little substance. annoying, but seems more town than scum to me due to high activity.
ToonyMan – hasn't contributed much at this point. Leaning towards scummy.
notquitethere – notquitesure at this point. Made some stupid mistakes, but not completely convinced he is scum yet.
Caz – this is me.
Max White – has been very active in scumhunting, but could be exaggerating his arguments against NQT for an easy lynch.
kleril/Toaster – newb, hasn't been that active, didn't seem that interested in scumhunting, but don't really have a read yet.