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[Morrigi]

PTW

Never noticed this before.  Looks pretty awesome at a glance.  Will probably be buying to ease the increasingly agonizing wait for DF2014.

Worth it, I spend way too much time playing this game. And there are plenty of mods as well, though a fair amount are still being updated to the latest version.

[Varee]

Well the game itself is ok but if it have the depth too it would be better

[Sergarr]

Toady, y u no do dis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMBQn_sg7DA

I think DF already can determine whenever the path from 1 point to another can exist.

And also as comments in the video indicate:
"Won't the regions system create localized behavior shifts, though? Like muffalo only grazing in one region for grass, because they'll check it first, even if there's closer cells outside the region?"
This can't do in a game as complex as DF.

[Greiger]

Yea DF currently has the system where rooms determine if they can reach eachother. and then if something tries to path to something on a diffrent pathing grid it dosn't bother doing the A* and fails it, rimworld and DF share that.

The problem in DF's system is that it the pathing dosn't distinguish between a critter and a dwarf pathing.  Bach when Toady was adding the underground layers he was consitering letting dwarves climb ropes from above because he thought building stairs down from above into open space seemed silly.  The problem came up because he doesn't have any way he can have critters not be able to climb ropes because the pathing grid system doesn't distinguish.

The only thing ingame currently that does that is doors set to not let pets through, but those do it the bad way, if a pet tries to path through one of those doors it will flood everything it can reach before determining it can't get there, which is very very bad for large numbers of creatures.

Regions would still have them flood all the regions pathfinding, but it would probably be cheaper than a tile by tile A* allowing more creature restricted pathing before it bogs stuff down.

The video comment makes a nice point though.  It could probably be solved in Tynan's case by having a special case in grazing animals to have a creature decide to randomly ignore the regions and jump straight to A* now and then.  Even if it only happens once every 50 times that might be enough to break critters out of a region and munch someplace else for awhile.

[Morrigi]

Halp.

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[Mictlantecuhtli]

Dear gods what have you done?

[Morrigi]

Dear gods what have you done?

I was playing a modded game and had just fought off some raiders, and suddenly squirrels. Squirrels everywhere.

My base had a choke point protected by fortifications, including a couple of turrets, (off-screen) and all of my colonists had automatic weapons. Works fine against raiders, but squirrelpocalypse? Well...

[TynanSylvester]

What are all those mods you're running Morrigi?

[Kaje]

I am completely and utterly addicted to this, and I'm equally addicted to downloading compatible mods from the forums. Superbly fun game already, and it can only get better!

[SharpKris]

Sieges are a thing  get your socks on!

[Girlinhat]

Sieges are a thing  get your socks on!

As are indirect fire mortars.  A semi-decent anti-siege measure would appear to be banks of mortars so you can just volley fire against enemy encampments.

[Mel_Vixen]

Toady, y u no do dis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMBQn_sg7DA

I think DF already can determine whenever the path from 1 point to another can exist.

And also as comments in the video indicate:
"Won't the regions system create localized behavior shifts, though? Like muffalo only grazing in one region for grass, because they'll check it first, even if there's closer cells outside the region?"
This can't do in a game as complex as DF.

I did something similiar to the regionsystem in a small project of mine (it was for a little collisiondetection in a selfbuild javascript based game). You normaly check if the adjectant regions are reachable (or make a map of connected regions first), if so you can check them. You can also make a quick guess of your distance (if you have square regions just do a bit of trigonoetry with your position and the regions corners) to the next region.

What you can also do is flag the region with some metrics. First the size and then stuff like an average over the contents. Say if you are a muffalo you check the next 3 regions out for a a good average in foodsupplie. You can ignore any region that has no food and just path through those that lead to a food bearing zone/region.   

[Blargityblarg]

It look like the bug that makes grass disappear after a little while is having disastrous effects on my crops, unless I wall them off (as an aside, an idea: fences that are impassable to small creatures, require 'hopping' like sandbags for medium-sized, and are damaged on contact with larger pawns like Caterpillars and maybe muffalo?) as the local wildlife are swarming my fields to feed themselves

As I said to Boomrat Pharaoh, verily: 'Let my taters grow!'

[Girlinhat]

I've never seen a bug that makes grass disappear, and I've had like 400+ day colonies, just not in A5.

I usually wall and roof my farms, using fertilizer pumps and sun lamps to support HUGE crops.  If you've got outdoor and accessible farms, then consider having one guy with a minigun set to hunting, and periodically hunt everything.

Alternatively, why NOT house your farm?  It seems like a security risk to have it open...

[Farce]

I like hydroponics.  Err, I generally like everything dug into a mountain.

It seems like that's wrong, somehow, though.    This latest map of mine basically gave me pre-Z-level Dorf Fort, though - all mountain on one side, all plains on the rest.  The only thing is, it's oriented up-down instead of left-right.

Also, dammit, betterpower+.  Updateeee.