@Darvi: I've noticed you've been voting people who have been attacking Kleril. This to try and scare off those trying to lynch your scum-buddy? Cause Squill may be bandwagoning, but he does seem to have some valid points. Also, there any special scum tells for ICs? Any previous games you'd recommend for someone interested in getting a read on your playstyle? Also, why are people making such a big deal about the Scum IC? He's not a behind the scenes puppeteer or anything right?
I'm not voting for people who suspect kleril. Not intentional that is, because, as you'll find, almost everybody (well, at least half of them) in the game has a bone to pick with it, so it's nearly inevitable . (Also, I never made that connection, but that's neither here nor there).
I'm not saying that it's a coincidence, though. Scum like an easy lynch, which it undoubtedly is. Much less work for them to do. Unfortunately, other peoples also like easy lynches, so you have to look at how they go about these votes. Scum gets lazy and complacent when they get an easy lynch, which is what I was judging people by. Imp got too sure of its scumpicks, as if it was not going to budge on its decisions, to the point of barely paying attention to other players. Squill, on the other hand, tried suggesting lynching kleril for what basically amounts to "lets lynch it and see what happens", which pushed it from "unhelpful" to "scummy". I also noticed that he said the same thing
earlier, while saying that he wasn't sure kleril was scum. While things may have changed, it's highly likely it doesn't vote kleril because it thinks it's scum, but because they just want to see it hang.
Darvi, how the heck are we supposed to catch a squiggle such as yourself if you need catching?
You figure it out. Try a better net. Maybe a bait? They say honey is better than vinegar, but I love the stuff. I really dunno, I never tried to catch a Darvi. Usually I jus' kill 'em on sight.
Pick between Magnificent Bastard and Affable Evil – which one’s less like you and what are you doing to fix this?
The latter. I only do evil if it benefits me, there's nothing affable about me, and I don't plan on changing that. What is the point of this question anyway?
Persus13’s interaction with us all, he sure seems to be quite a few things to me. What direction(s) do you think his playstyle is leading us towards? Do you think he seems to be a leader?
I don't think. That much, at the least, should be known by now. And I do hope it doesn't become a leader. Because that requires everybody else to be sheeple, and everybody playing after one person's fiddle only results in scumwins because manipulating town is what scum does. You're individuals and you should behave that way, dammit.
@Darvi, I doesn't make sense to me that they would be partners. There is no point for either of them to Bus each other. But Both of them are very scummy in my eyes.
That is a problem. They cannot be both scum and not be partners. So you better try to get your reads straight because as it is now, should one of them flip as scum, it looks like you will dismiss the other one as town because it didn't look like the other guy's partner.
I suggest you drop the assumption that they cannot be partners. You should judge them by their individual scumminess, not by how you think they're connected. Which, I assume, is a point I already made before. You cannot make assumptions that scum wouldn't be willing to bus each other.
Also, as Persus said, Why do you support kleril so? Does he not seem scummy with his more current posts? If not, why? If so, why are you supporting him?
I do not support it, I am giving other people shit for stuff they did. See above.
Also, Why did you not respond to anything kleril said, even though I would say, are much more worthy of response than most of the things you responded to?
I try not to respond to stuff that doesn't directly involve me and that I don't feel require an immediate response on my part i.e. stuff that not everybody else is already nattering about. With eight people, it gets easy to get lost in the clusterfuck, and with how long it takes writing my posts, I try to not waste more time than necessary. Which is why most of my interactions have been with you and Imp, with the occasional oddball towards others who happen to stand out. Which, in turn, often have been people who have committed obvious faux-pas, I guess. I'm trying to stay focused on ICing, after all.
Also, the entire argument is just a blurry mess to me, where one side shouts at the other incoherently because they're utterly convinced they're in the right (Much like politics, really.), so I haven't really paid attention to it. I figured I'd save that for day 2 when the field's cleared up a bit.
So, you say it's scummy, so obviously you have been paying attention to it. Please enlighten me and tell me where it was being scummy and how.
I'm not quite sure I follow. Could you maybe restate some of the wording from the second post? While I don't think SBC's in the best light, I was stating that kleril used what seemed to me like faulty logic. It looks very much to me that kleril was put under pressure, and cracked and tried to pass on as much suspicion as possible to the person who was the second highest suspicion wise. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I wasn't actually stating that SBC's is trying to suck up to kleril. I was saying that if SBC was trying to pretend to be overly friendly to kleril, that doesn't change the fact that kleril has been scummy, it is just a bit more evidence against SBC if kleril turned out to be right.
This seems like a sound argument to me, could you actually explain how it's not?
I didn't talk about your argument. I was talking about that one assumption that is wrong because town doesn't need to get lynched or killed to let the other person look bad. It does that to itself, usually. And either way, only because somebody flips town doesn't mean that everybody opposing them looks scummy. You
can look better for lynching scum (if it wasn't an obvious bus), but lynching town can just as well simply be bad playing. TL;DR I wasn't arguing, I was pointing out how that was a faulty statement. I guess I should have put that in my [
IC voice], because that was mostly intended to be informative, and you really shouldn't judge somebody by the town alignment of their targets.
@ SBC and @Darvi: I do not see kleril's view on SBC's behavior, I'm just saying that even if kleril's view was as obvious as he says, his logic is still faulted. This was a largely hypothetical scenario, at least to me.
I never addressed kleril's logic, or argued against your interpretation of it. Except perhaps for the part that assumes that the other person's townness had any influence on the outcome.
Throwing down a request for an extend due to impending midterms. Should have a ton of time this weekend to address everything that's happened in the past day or two.
Hasn't this game been extended, like, ten times already?