Vector:
Imp, I like you. I hope you play in some of my games :]
I am honored, delighted, and I'd love to. Thank you very much.
Toaster and
Birdy:
What you're looking for is the Too Townie fallacy. It doesn't fly.
Thanks Toaster. I was aware of that fallacy and wonder at how close our newbie games' Common Scumtells comes to it:
Trying Too Hard To Appear Townie: There's no official name for this one, but being too concerned about your image; specifically avoiding things that might be seen as scumtells. The idea is that scum are very concerned about being found out, and so want to act nonscummy. Townies know they're not scum, so they're less concerned about LOOKING nonscummy and more concerned about finding scum.
But I hadn't connected it to play in Lylo.
Birdy, was that what you were trying to find, or were you looking for something else?
Re:
Summary of case on TolyK:
Your vote here... I don't get it. The theatrics are nice, but they lack a conclusion.
Can you concisely state your case on me, please?
Imp: Yeah ... can you give me a tl;dr about your case on TolyK? There's a lot of fluff there. [PPE: I see Toaster made the same observation.]
TolyK's been 'interpretive dancing', and not even doing the 'interpretive Scumhunting dance' which might be useful. Almost every post he has made appears to me to be a stylistic form of active lurking.
His first post he says,
I won't ask any real questions yet
He asks the one question to three people, then does almost nothing since except answer others' questions and jerk his one question around like it's a magic key. Always hyping it, nearly every post he makes it the target of focus and constantly refers back to it. 'Does things with it', like analyze those three responses on the most obvious level possible and . If this is Scumhunting, he's doing it like an anglerfish hunts - and I'm by no means convinced that he's doing that either. His show appears not to be -that- kind of show, and I fail to see how he's trying to lure anyone into exposing anything - instead it has the feel of illusion, and aggrandization, an attempt to industriously hide his lack of interest in Scumhunting by doing something else that he is able to feel enthusastic about - creating and playing this multistaged game of his.
It's something he can pour energy into and make it look like he's doing something every time he hypes again; it attempts to hide his lack of back and forth interaction with anyone but us (he briefly answers questions, then puts focus back on his question). He's identified us as newer players, he's most recently started 'coaching'.
TolyK:
I'm not quite following you with this one… Would you care to expound why you clump us all together?
You're all basically doing stuff I did when I was newer - going with the "I'm innocent, so why is what I say scummy?", "Lets help the town", "Oh crap someone said something about me it must be serious" (in order). Thus, I'm fairly sure you're all town, because I haven't found anything damning your case yet. However, I'll be looking for the time being.
Think of this as me testing you as a group.
I think this is his excuse to 'dance' through the game and hide his lack of focus on finding Scum, because he's 'to busy' to lift his eyes from the three newish (ahh, weakness, smell the blood in the air? Rare is the newbie who can defend themself effectively) players that he's 'busying himself with'.
TolyK:
Were you aware that you asked more questions in response to my challenge to you than you've asked the entire game before that point?
Added bolding for emphasis:
I think Cheetar, Imp, TolyK and you are the most engaged in the game and this is usually a good proxy for town. I found Cheetar a bit too passive at the beginning but he's done a fairly good job of explaining where he's coming from.
...
I'm usually even more wanting to play the game as scum, though, since that's rarer. So I don't quite agree with your logic.
Oh, but how you engage, would you say that's the same? How can you have so much energy to put into building intricate riddles through multiple players' posts and keep up your Scumhunting too? Oh, right. You're playing your own game instead of Scumhunting. I see it now, thanks!
I... don't quite understand the first question.
The first question asks you if your engagement - how you are playing the game, and where your focus is - is the same when you 'want to play more as Scum' as you are when you 'want to play less as Town'.
I don't hear much about passivity finding Scum. Could you offer some links to help me find where passive play has been used effectively to assist and ensure Town wins?
This is really painting yourself as town. As in, this is like saying "I'm town", except "Help me work for the town's cause".
It makes you look as if you're trying to make yourself look like a fluffy bunny that's asking for help.
Don't you agree?
Nope. Sincere question, I meant every word I said. Happens I'm a newbie, this is my third game. The first two haven't ended yet; when you look at my ears that's not length you see; they're still wet.
None the less, if I am a rabbit you role fisher, you'd best consider me the Monty Python version, at least to Scum like yourself. Beware the cute ones.
Role fishing? Seriously? You are trying so hard to "prove my guilt" that you are trying to tack everything even slightly related to it?
Nope. It's not for me to prove your guilt, or innocence. That's for you. Granted, you're showing a heck of a lot of Scumminess - what I'm really doing here is pointedly '
failing the interview'. It looks a lot to me like you're sniffing around for a good target - someone (or a few someones) to chuck stuff at to support your current and future active lurking activities. One that's "a fluffy bunny" would do just fine, you seem to be saying. I am not one. I expect that I've made that clear - if not, keep sniffing. I'll make it a lot clearer if needed.
And unfortunately, your victim-interviewing behavior is NOT tacked on. It's part and parcel of the active lurking you've done since your first post of the game.
*post*
*other post*
Neat. There's something here, but I don't have the time to look at it right now. Ping me later in case I forget.
Ping. Ping.
Have you had enough time yet?
Have you had enough time to stop active lurking, or will you ever, this game?
Hapah: Pretty early in the game you asked a question about what one could learn about playing Mafia without playing the game. Have you found that the skills and ways of thinking that you use for Mafia are pretty useless and really different from what you use in the other parts of your life?
Quote from: CHeetar, I think? Got my tabs mixed up
Nope, quote's from TheWetSheep, same post as the correct quote right above it.
Cheeetar, do you feel more protective towards The_Iqovian than you do most other players?
Cheeetar@179: Why are you chainsawing Nerjin so hard? It looks like his vote on The Iqovian is a pressure/reaction vote to me. Also, nice lowball there @205. You know you can just give advice to your scumbuddy in scumchat, right?
By chainsawing I assume you mean pressuring, or? I honestly don't know what you mean by it. Anyway, he posted suspiciously and hasn't explained himself fully, and his only response to the suspicions against him has been changing his vote in the hopes that it'll stop people voting for him or something?
From the newbie games standard opening post, in the Common Scumtells section:
Defending/Chainsawing: Defending just means what it sounds like: saying things to defend another player's actions or words. Chainsawing or chainsaw defending means attacking someone who's attacking another player in an attempt to get them to stop. The idea in both instances is that townies don't know if their fellow players are innocent or not, and hence have no real reason to defend them from legitimate persecution. Scum, on the other hand, know they're on a team and so are prone to not wanting their buddies found out or pressured.
Birdy, when you ask Nerjin this:
why the late extension vote nearly three hours later?
You made me look closer at the extensions:
4 of 7 to Extend.
Need more extensions, please!
Alright, I'm willing to play along here. Extend you people not voting better get in gear.
That doesn't look weird to me. When I look at the time that Nerjin posts his extension and three hours earlier - that's a 'deadtime', there's no posts at all there.
What makes Nerjin's extension vote late, and what is it three hours later than?
The_Iqovian, how new a player are you? You've played other Mafia games or Mafia-like games elsewhere, yes? Lots or just a few? Do you generally like Mafia games?
Your 'joke' comment that's attracted so much attention (it's just one of many jokes, I notice); initially, instead of answering a question, you answered the question with that joke (which makes your joke your answer... that's important to consider), but later you DO clarify and give your real answer by saying what it meant, yes? You do that here:
Cheetar
The Iqovian is certainly new, but don't you think this quote here...
The Iqovian— your opening post in this game was wholly passive. Is this kind of play normal for you?
Well there's no one to shift any of the large amounts of blame I'm sure to accrue onto yet, and I can't read any of you. So there isn't that much to say, yet.
... is somewhat strange? Why would town want to shift blame onto someone else?
What do you make of that quote?
It looks like a joke to me.
Iqovian, what did you mean by that statement?
Aside from making a joke, it meant, essentially, 'the game has just started and I have nothing on any of you, nor do I have any reason to go after any of you. I am going to wait until the petty accusations start flying', which they have, hooray!
Would you expound a bit on your philosophy of "nor do I have any reason to go after any of you"? When asked about your reads,
The Iqovian, Tiruin— you guys still about? Got any read on the game yet?
I'm still about, but since I haven't been following this actively I don't really have any good reads. Aside from mindless distrust of Nerjin now.
That "mindless distrust" comes from Nerjin analyzing your posts and finding them lacking, yes? Is that really a Scum-tell, even if he's wrong? Is that how you identify Scum - because they target apparent flaws or weaknesses in your play (which Town wouldn't do for some reason...?)?
The Iqovian
Is your distrust of Nerjin enough to vote him on?
Actually, yeah I think I will.
He's a bit to quick to leap onto scummy behavior in day 1, and his only real evidence against me is obviously a joke.
Trying to lynch me for a low post count? Go for it. But for making a bad joke? That's reaching.
It looks to me like he's trying to get rid of me - a laudable cause to be sure - but I think his motives this time are more along the lines of 'killing all the townies', than de-scumming the docks.
I now place my vote for Nerjin.
Yes please, it's very much time for you to show that case you state, the why behind your "I think his motives this time are more along the lines of 'killing
all the townies', than de-scumming the docks."
Shakerag:
Deathsword:
Deathsword: Pretend your only night-useable ability allowed you to choose to either block someone (both from receiving or taking actions) or to redirect someone (again, that redirection applies both to actions targeting that player, and to actions that player tries to make). Which would you probably use more often, and why?
Redirect. I really like redirects and it can, if used right or with enough luck, destroy the plans of scum or third party.
What do you look for when deciding where to place a redirect?
Trying to figure out how to avoid catching a redirect, Imp?
Nope. Wanted a closer look at what Deathsword would say about the right use of them.
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