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[Nerjin]

Ah I see. I had assumed you were referring to my actual unvote as opposed to a hypothetical one. Well...

[W]hat action could another player perform that would cause you to unvote him and vote someone else?

Probably something that would out them as scum. Such as: Bandwagoning even more obviously, a poorly reasoned argument that would require LARGE leaps of logic, or maybe outright claiming. At this point I think there's very little considering he's committed the previous three. That is my view of the matter my... ward?

[Griffionday]

Birdy:

Griffionday:

What I'm seeing though is that of your two questions to Rolepgeek that he can honestly answer, only one seems to lead anywhere into a analysis of him.  Your fist question "Any more questions for me?" comes after a defense of your predecessors actions (which is fair) but doesn't really counter analyze Rolepgeek.  Your one question that has some depth "Did you want the day to end early?" isn't followed up with any force.  You mention that his answer was confusing, which is a valid point, but you lack conviction behind your argument.

The first question was not meant to analyze Rolepgeek. If he had any other questions for me, I did not want him to be afraid to ask. As to your second point, his response made sense. I didn't really detect anything fishy about his response, so I let the issue drop.

He is here though and you've not

However, you've made me curious. What is striking you as bad play right now?

For one the way that the game seems to be hopping from one obvious lynch target to another.  My theory is that one has quite a while to develop reads, why focus on someone you're already fairly confident is scum?

The worst instance was this though:

Birdy: I didn't vote extension because I saw no point. I know who I think is scummy.

Please note they had exclusively focused on the people they considered scummy and hardly even talked to the others at that point.  When I saw that I realized I probably should step in for a bit, see if things could be improved by shouting at them.
Webadict:

Oh geez. You guys have talked a lot. Anyone want to sum up what's been said? Or how about everyone? That way, I can get a good bias check on y'all.

The game is in a rapid tail-spin.  Due to Dude acting VERY scummy and being unable to account for his actions he ended up getting lynched he was summarily lynched.  Today started with a jump at griffinpup who appeared to have been bandwagoning Dave, IG started the day acting scummy however, and so almost all attention skipped over to him.  We've had a ton of replacements, and the game has stalled.

[Okami No Rei]

14 Hours Remain in the Day

Day 2 ends on Wednesday, August 14 at 8:00pm CST

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Griffionday (0) -
Rolepgeek (0) -
Imperial Guardsman (4) - griffinpup, birdy51, Rolepgeek, Nerjin
birdy51 (1) - Imperial Guardsman
Nerjin (0) -

Not Voting - Griffionday, webadict

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Griffionday has requested replacement.

griffinpup has been prodded.
Imperial Guardsman has been prodded.

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[webadict]

Well... This sucks.

So, just in case it's not clear, mafia, please don't be rude and kill the active players. This is a learning game, and it makes learning difficult when 2 of 5 are the only ones talking. I would much rather we had 3 active players at lylo than the mafia win by technicalities (such as no one being able to vote against you).

But, I agree, Imperial Guardsman's play has been sloppy, plus he doesn't appear to be coming back. I still don't feel like I have good reads on everyone else, but the game has to go on. Bleh. Please don't be dumb town. And if he is, everyone please take that as a lesson to not do things like that. I used to do it, and it doesn't work very well unless you've planned ahead.

Imperial Guardsman.

[griffinpup]

So I don't have the literal right to ask someone to respond to my post after they ask for replacement?

You don't have a right to expect an answer until they're replaced. 

I disagree, but whatever.

1. I'm not saying explain to him why you aren't lurking, I'm saying only defending yourself based on posting frequency is stupid. 

2. So you're saying one should do heavy research before voting for someone based on a case?  I agree in theory, but in practice this means that votes like Nerjin's current one are going to be more common.  I prefer having a case on the person you wish to lynch over leaving your pressure vote on someone who hasn't responded.

That obviously wasn't going to be my whole case.  That was mainly my precursor.  The fact that he refused to respond even to this kinda put a damper on my follow-up.

Care to explain what your follow up was?  If it's real it shouldn't require you to do any work...

Sure.  I would of then pushed him on the fact that the time-period was substantially less then twenty four hours and that I posted every day.  I would ask him his definition of lurking and explain why it was wrong.

Griffinpup: Why are you focusing exclusively on the past in this game when you could be generating your own material to read?  Interact with everyone, and once you've a feeling for them, move on and talk to someone else.  Seriously.  Your emphasis on reads, events, and past oriented hunting is equally detrimental to the game as IG. 

Wow.  You're brilliant.  We should totally do RVS again and ask each other inane questions to generate new content.  Of course, pushing people on stuff that they did in the past to generate content is a terrible idea, so we shouldn't do that.

Your emphasis on reads, events, and past oriented hunting is equally detrimental to the game as IG. 

Lying piece of crap.  I asked someone to elaborate on reads I couldn't understand ONCE.  It's not an "emphasis" of mine.  I have no idea why this seems like such a big deal to you.  Also, please find me somewhere where I put an emphasis on an event and why it's been so absolutely detrimental.  I'm fairly certain it doesn't exist.  I also have no idea why you are so against pushing people on anything that happened in the past.

I'm glad you're focusing exclusively on easy lynches (it makes you kinda obviously scum though), but don't you think you should question the more difficult ones as well?  I can guarantee there's far more satisfaction to be found there.

Lay off Griffionday.  Either grow some balls and vote me with a case, or stop insinuating that I'm scum and insulting my play style.

Oh geez. You guys have talked a lot. Anyone want to sum up what's been said? Or how about everyone? That way, I can get a good bias check on y'all.

Easy.
1.  Dave played like the newbiest and scummiest scum ever, and was summarily lynched because of it.
2.  Three people decided to vote me at the beginning of day two.  One of their cases were driven by emotion and was therefor fallacious and made up.  Griffionday had another case, (which didn't actually suck) but he requested a replacement shortly after.  IG voted me without a case.
3.  everyone requested replacement.

Webadict:
Who did you replace?  And who did that person replace?

[Nerjin]

Webadict:
Who did you replace?  And who did that person replace?

Check the OP for this information. The mods always keep this stuff up to date.

Player List [7/7]:
TheWetSheep GUNINANRUNIN TheWetSheep SailFlame webadict
griffinpup
Griffionday
Powder Miner Rolepgeek
Imperial Guardsman
DaveTheGrave - Lynched Day One - Goblin Thief (Vanilla Town)
Boy Chink birdy51

ICs [2/2]:
Nerjin
notquitethere - Killed Night One - Goblin Sergeant (Cop)

Scum IC:
Deathsword

Replacement List:
No one around...

Just to show who's where and what.

[griffinpup]

Thanks Nerjin.

so Webadict:
Just to make sure, are there any outstanding points on Gun's case on me that you want answering?

[webadict]

Thanks Nerjin.

so Webadict:
Just to make sure, are there any outstanding points on Gun's case on me that you want answering?

I don't know what this case was, and even if I did... Meh. It's not my case. You'd be answering someone else's questions. I mean, if you WANT to address it, I won't stop you.

[griffinpup]

Thanks Nerjin.

so Webadict:
Just to make sure, are there any outstanding points on Gun's case on me that you want answering?

I don't know what this case was, and even if I did... Meh. It's not my case. You'd be answering someone else's questions. I mean, if you WANT to address it, I won't stop you.

X_X
so you really haven't read this thread.  Ah well.  I was just checking that you weren't expecting additional refutation.  You obviously aren't, so consider the matter closed.

[Okami No Rei]

One hour remaining in the day.

[webadict]

Thanks Nerjin.

so Webadict:
Just to make sure, are there any outstanding points on Gun's case on me that you want answering?

I don't know what this case was, and even if I did... Meh. It's not my case. You'd be answering someone else's questions. I mean, if you WANT to address it, I won't stop you.

X_X
so you really haven't read this thread.  Ah well.  I was just checking that you weren't expecting additional refutation.  You obviously aren't, so consider the matter closed.

Yeeeeah, no, as much as I'd WANT to have read the thread, it's just not going to happen. I just can't do it.

[Okami No Rei]

Spoiler: Dwarven Meat (click to show/hide)

"Where were you last night.  I no see you when I wake to take leak."
The speaker was a goblin only barely old enough to carry a spear.  He turned to berate the scrawny git for speaking out of turn, then realized it had a point.  He turned again, raising an accusatory finger to the mountain goblin it'd addressed.
"YES! I no tell you to scout last night.  You should have stayed with us in safe room!  Where you go?"
The mountain goblin backed up a few steps, raising its hands.
"I, er, I also found it necessary to relieve myself.  I simply took a walk to the refuse stockpile down the hall."
"You what?  And risk the whole group found?"
He grabbed the mountain goblin by its shirt, and pulled it face to face.
"I tire of your rock gob ways.  Next time, you shit in hole in the floor like rest of gobs."
"But the stench is unbearable!  Why do you think I covered it up? In any case, I don't see any rea..."
That smell.  On its breath.  It couldn't be.
"IT WAS YOU!  You are the snitch!"
He threw the mountain goblin to the ground.
"You trade gob plans for dwarf beer.  You kill gobs for dwarf rum.  You trade your pride as gob for dwarf wine."
He stepped on it, pushing it to the ground as it attempted to stand.  He then drew his sword, pointing the tip at each goblin in turn.
"This gob is snitch.  This gob must die.  All of you with me?"
A chorus of cheers, grunts and growls erupted from the remaining goblins.
"He's got it all wrong!  I would never...  I can't... You mustn't..."
He cut it's protests short, driving his sword through its back.
"This is price you pay, snitch.  This is price all of you pay, if you snitch."
He turned over the body, when something caught his eye.  A bit of hair peeking out from underneath its false beard.  A quick tug, and the beard fell away, revealing a second underneath.  Several sharp tugs failed to remove the second.
"It... It's a dwarf.  The snitch is a dwarf.  He just dress up in gob clothes."
A smile lit up his face.
"We eat good this night, boys!"

Day 2 has ended.

Imperial Guardsman has been lynched!

Imperial Guardsman was a Dwarven Manager (Mafia Rolecop)

FINAL VOTECOUNT

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Not Voting - Griffionday

Griffionday has requested replacement.

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Night Two has begun, and will end on Thursday, August 15 at 8:00pm, or when I have received all actions.

[Okami No Rei]

Spoiler: Missing Friend (click to show/hide)

He didn't sleep that night.  He couldn't.  Not with the images still fresh in his head.

His friend had been torn to pieces.  The goblins devoured him with ferocious abandon.  The memory brought him to the point of vomiting again, but there was nothing left to bring up.

They slept soundly, each content, for the time, with a full belly.  Every one confident that another had taken watch.  He'd taken the opportunity to slit the new leader's throat, but then lost his nerve for fear of the others waking.  He went back to the corner, curled up, and focused on not crying.  That would surely bring their attention.

A drink.  He needed a drink.  It'd been days since anything save water had passed his lips.  He dared not.  His friend had been a fool to go.  He wouldn't make the same mistake.

His gut told him the sun was rising outside.  The goblins began to stir.  Didn't take long for one to notice Chief for a Day didn't wake up.  A fight nearly broke out, then another called for a vote.  Voting.  What kind of fool plan had that been?  Now see where it had gotten him.

He got up and joined the group.  Maybe he could turn things his way again.  He'd be happy if he could just survive.

Night 2 has ended.

webadict has been killed!

webadict was a Goblin Thief (Vanilla Town)

Squill has replaced Griffionday.

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Day Three has begun, and will end on Tuesday, August 20 at 8:00pm.

[webadict]

Real douchebag move, scum. Real douchebag move...

[Imperial Guardsman]

Today just wasnt my day.