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[webadict]

That first quote of your leads to my post? What?

I can't accurately judge your position without seeing his argument, but I don't know where your quote came from (and I don't really want to search for it among all of the posts.)

So, I'm not sure what happened.

But, where is everyone else? Geez...

[Nerjin]

Good news! I'm coming back! Tomorrow... But I will be doing that. Soon.

[birdy51]

That first quote of your leads to my post? What?

I can't accurately judge your position without seeing his argument, but I don't know where your quote came from (and I don't really want to search for it among all of the posts.)

So, I'm not sure what happened.

But, where is everyone else? Geez...

Oh bah. I do not work well late.

Let's try this again...

First this was my original argument.

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Imperial Guardsman: Support your arguments. Preferably in something longer than single sentence groups. Beyond the flimsy reasoning on the basis of a mislynch, you didn't seem to have a single good reason for holding your vote on Griffonpup besides the fact that two other players had already voted for him. Do explain yourself.

His response.

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Unvote Griffinpup, Vote birdy
I really cant give any CURRENT reads until the game is back up.

My own counter response.

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Unvote Griffinpup, Vote birdy
I really cant give any CURRENT reads until the game is back up.

What a fantastic OMGUS...

Now, in case you have not gotten it through your skull, I was not asking for your current reads.

I want your old reads immediately.

And my later clarifications on the subject.

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As for the examples you requested {To Rolepgeek}. Imperial Guardsman, you will want to read this as well as it pertains to you.

Yeah, we remember day 1 griffinpup

Remember what from Day 1? The mislynch?

From my own experience, I have found mislynches are not rare occurrences. They happen whether we like it or not.

Until you can prove yourself innocent from your actions on day one, the vote stays.

Note how he still fails to specify any specific examples. IG uses a blanket term, "your actions". No specifics, just "your actions".  Implying that Griffinpup did do something wrong… But he doesn't have the slightest clue what that action is.

Thus, how can he expect Griffinpup to effectively defend himself?

Back.
Unvote.
Griffinpup seems town.. for now. Ill check the posts and decide who to vote next.

And now, suddenly Griffinpup is Town FOR NOW, without a single whisper about how he arrived at this miraculous conclusion.


Frankly, his reasoning is baffling me right now and I don't have much to go off of, save for the fact that he has seemingly no clue what he is doing. Not supporting your arguments is a terrible policy to uphold, no matter what role you play. So at the very least I want to see IG put some kind of effort forth in his gameplay from here on out.

This is after all a BM. I'm still in this game to win, but I also want to see players improve. Starting with him by forcing him to attend to his past actions or fall. The ball is in his court now. Whether he wants to take the time defend himself is his decision.

[webadict]

Yeah uh... what is he doing? That's just a silly play style, and an incredibly scummy one at that.

And why did people unvote him? His reasoning really WAS terrible, and he complains about OMGUS and then OMGUSes you? Man, I don't even.

Also, Vector offered to replace back there. You should take her up on that offer. She's right, it's better to replace with someone with experience than to not replace at all.

[Rolepgeek]

You don't give many specifics either. You are specific, but you really haven't quoted much, or done much beyond saying he's done these things. I haven't either, but there's about ten posts to go through to find what I'm talking about, versus 40 or more from IG.

[webadict]

You don't give many specifics either. You are specific, but you really haven't quoted much, or done much beyond saying he's done these things. I haven't either, but there's about ten posts to go through to find what I'm talking about, versus 40 or more from IG.

Are you talking to me? I'm not sure.

[Rolepgeek]

Sorry, was talking to birdy12.

[webadict]

Sorry, was talking to birdy12.

Ah, well in that case, I disagree. If you simply look back, Imperial Guardsman votes for (someone I forgot and don't feel like checking right now) without any reasoning behind it. That is what prompts this interaction.

It's not about who's done more or done what. You can do the most as scum. Activity doesn't prove scummitude. Imperial Guardsman refused to give a reason behind his vote, and when prompted, he voted the one asking.

So, why is that acceptable to you?

[Nerjin]

Yeah, we remember day 1 griffinpup

Until you can prove yourself innocent from your actions on day one, the vote stays.

Remember what exactly? This sorta looked like a Bandwagon since there were 2 people already on GriffPup and then...

Alright.
I voted you to see what you would do.
OMGUS?

Still didn't really have a case. The OMGUS would be a fair example BUT Griffpup voted you due to you not having a case and giving him a losing proposition. You CAN'T provide examples of yourself being town without looking like a super heavy scum. At least in my experience.

Unvote Griffinpup, Vote birdy
I really cant give any CURRENT reads until the game is back up.

Not true at all. You never seem to have reads. You've been asked a few times and each time you've given the excuse of "I don't have any." near the end of Day 1 and now you're saying it's because the game isn't being played? Your ideas of players don't go away when the game loses some steam. Imperial Guardsman this post is what told me something was up. Plus the OMGUS.

In the end I've seen this sorta behavior before. You're active-lurking. You've posted A LOT but your posts are generally bare of content. Post your reads NOW.

@All Other Players: I apologize for my absense. I've been a somewhat lousy IC due to them but I'm back and should be staying. Don't worry too much about all the replacements. Yeah it makes it hard to get a consistent read and they tend to favor the person replacing in due to the constant "I don't know why they did it." argument they can put out [which is often VERY true]. BUT you now have someone with an outsider perspective who might pick up on something you missed in the heat of the moment.

[Vector]

Also, Vector offered to replace back there. You should take her up on that offer. She's right, it's better to replace with someone with experience than to not replace at all.

That's not the mod's fault--I told him I was busy.

It's under consideration, but I'm under a little more stress I can handle right now.

[webadict]

Also, Vector offered to replace back there. You should take her up on that offer. She's right, it's better to replace with someone with experience than to not replace at all.

That's not the mod's fault--I told him I was busy.

It's under consideration, but I'm under a little more stress I can handle right now.

Ah, my bad.

[birdy51]

Webadict:

Yeah uh... what is he doing? That's just a silly play style, and an incredibly scummy one at that.

And why did people unvote him? His reasoning really WAS terrible, and he complains about OMGUS and then OMGUSes you? Man, I don't even.

Million dollar question...

As to the second question, I would say the chaotic elements of the first day contributed to his survival. There was a lot of discussion on a plethora of many different subjects all at once. That's not to say people didn't vote for him, but his game was not a focus point for anyone.

Rolepgeek:

You don't give many specifics either. You are specific, but you really haven't quoted much, or done much beyond saying he's done these things. I haven't either, but there's about ten posts to go through to find what I'm talking about, versus 40 or more from IG.

Quotes.

Quotes will be the absolute death of me some day. They continuously thwart me at every turn, threatening to undermine my sanity...

Luckily though, you don't have to go through 40 of his posts to figure out where I am drawing my information from. I'm only drawing from the posts of Day 2, as that is when I have been most active. In addition, I try to quote only as much as I need to, as mass quoting can be a bit difficult to read.

[webadict]

Not true at all. You never seem to have reads. You've been asked a few times and each time you've given the excuse of "I don't have any." near the end of Day 1 and now you're saying it's because the game isn't being played? Your ideas of players don't go away when the game loses some steam. Imperial Guardsman this post is what told me something was up. Plus the OMGUS.

In the end I've seen this sorta behavior before. You're active-lurking. You've posted A LOT but your posts are generally bare of content. Post your reads NOW.

@All Other Players: I apologize for my absense. I've been a somewhat lousy IC due to them but I'm back and should be staying. Don't worry too much about all the replacements. Yeah it makes it hard to get a consistent read and they tend to favor the person replacing in due to the constant "I don't know why they did it." argument they can put out [which is often VERY true]. BUT you now have someone with an outsider perspective who might pick up on something you missed in the heat of the moment.

What would make you unvote Imperial Guardsman?

[Nerjin]

Well at the time the case just wasn't strong and, I'll admit, I wasn't giving this as much attention as I should have. BUT on re-read some stuff I had seen as "Meh whatever..." seemed a lot more sinister than at first glance.

[webadict]

Well at the time the case just wasn't strong and, I'll admit, I wasn't giving this as much attention as I should have. BUT on re-read some stuff I had seen as "Meh whatever..." seemed a lot more sinister than at first glance.

That didn't really answer my question. I can rephrase if that helps.

What type of reasoning could Imperial Guardsman give or what action could another player perform that would cause you to unvote him and vote someone else? If you'd rather not answer the first part, understandable, but the second one you can definitely answer.